[Spooks] that's what I heard
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list 10214.0XP 200310082020z (2220 loc) AM decoded XPERTA 2.01 HEADER 520 520 520 000 520 520 520 000 520 520 520 000 520 520 520 000 520 520 520 000 MESSAGE R _ Pat __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
Re: [Spooks] censorship
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list What is this about listening to the 800 MHz being a felony. I am a Amateur radio operator I can broadcast in that range. Well part of it anyway. Fill me in on what I have missed there. Keep 'em Flying Rob Hommel KC7FBO - Original Message - From: Ben Mesander [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Spooks] censorship Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hi Dan, What on earth is a supposed democracy like the UK doing censoring free speech like this? Political power comes from the barrel of a gun. Are they the only ones? No. Regards, Ben PS: Also, the UK has never had free speech in the American sense. But listening to the 800MHz band in the US has apparently become a felony thanks to the Patriot act. __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list These loggings were submitted to the Spy Numbers Station Database on 2003-10-09 by Nick Carrigan, Bellevue, WA, USA. Freq ENIGMA Day MMDD UTC Mode Comments -- --- -- - 8375Tue 10072003 1600 USB Quangou shoutingdai (3x), Beijing hujiao; ended with Zaijian The Spy Numbers Database is an effort to create as complete a record of Spy Numbers Station transmissions as possible. You can submit your loggings to the database, and search the database. Details are available at http://www.blackcatsystems.com/numbersDB __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
Re: [Spooks] censorship
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Ben Mesander wrote: PS: Also, the UK has never had free speech in the American sense. But listening to the 800MHz band in the US has apparently become a felony thanks to the Patriot act. Prior to the ECPA (circa 1987 if my memory is correct) there were no prohibitions on listening to any radio communications whatsoever in the US, the only restriction (1933 Communications Act) was that you could not divulge what you heard. The ECPA was bought, err, promoted by the telecommunications industry, as a way to make folk's cell phone calls private, prohibiting listening to them (as well as pagers, and perhaps some other comms) and forcing the FCC to not type accept any reciever that tunes those bands in. (All radios sold in the US must be FCC type accepted, the original purpose was to prevent sale of radios that leaked excessive RF and could cause interference) I've not seen any specific text from the Patriot Act as what further radio reception bans it adds. Although I imagine most members of congress couldn't tell you what specific items are in the act as well. Ute listening has always been a gray area in the UK and most of the rest of the world, officially illegal, but tolerated as long as you don't spill the beans on any state secrets (like Prince Charles' shoe size I guess). Less tolerated in much of the rest of the world. As the ute monitoring community never had a strong lobbying group (and the ARRL wouldn't spend any political capital defending us anyway) there was no one to prevent passage of these types of laws. I'd also venture to say that we did it to ourselves. There were too many TV news stories showing radio enthusiasts listening to cell phone calls on their scanner, and the lawmakers [over]reacted. I do not wish to start a debate or flame war over the merits of such legislation. If anyone has any facts regarding what restrictions are actually in place (ECPA or Patriot Act in the US, or other laws in their respective countries) I do think that would be an on topic post, as to how they relate to the legality of monitoring spy numbers and similar transmissions. As far as E2K and E3 are concerned, I think they are trying to avoid any overt actions on their part that could bring down the wrath of their government. I don't believe E2K has a legal defense fund. 73 Chris __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
Re: [Spooks] censorship
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Dan Malloy wrote: Hello Spooks, I was reading the ENIGMA 2000 newsletter and saw this item: E03/E03a Apart from the regulations concerning the reception of wireless stations within Great Britain, advice on reporting intelligence matters also exists in the formsnipped Whoever the messages, from E03/E03a, are aimed at ENIGMA 2000 has no wish to 'advertise' the existencesnipped Hi Dan All, There are a large number of Laws in the UK that regulate what we can cannot listen to, taken together they are a minefield of risks for the UTE/Numbers monitors. The list is considerable but amongst them we are very aware of the implications of :- Wireless Telegraphy Act Official Secrets Act D Notices recent Anti Terrorist Legislation. If it so wished our Government could close us down with the stroke of a pen. Being a cynic my take on democracy/freedom in UK is that it's more a state of mind rather than a fact of life Looking at things from this side of the pond your Patriot Act/Anti Terrorist Acts and various regulations your Government is introducing/considering you are also well on the way to having your own Official Secrets Act foisted upon you by the back door, I'm amazed at some of the things that have been raised in your HR over recent months. Chris S is right that ENIGMA 2000 does not have a legal defense fund, we, as are most hobby lists, are run by a few dedicated volunteers out of their own pockets so it is sensible for us to be prudent. Cheers Mike L for ENIGMA 2000 __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
Re: [Spooks] censorship
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hello Chris and List, This is an interesting topic; the law as it relates to listening in Great Britain is very defined, even to the point of those who can legally listen. For a short and intuitive read: http://www.radio.gov.uk/publication/ra_info/ra169.htm This document was issued originally as Scanners became popular in GB and listing to the emergency services was a great interest. Read with a singular mind one could easily imagine that the document only referred to the frequencies covered by Scanners. However, it obviously refers to the entire spectrum and some necessity of good sense must be exercised when listening. The document states, in simple and plain language exactly what can be legally listened to [And it isn't much, either]. Having read the RA169 doc you will understand why ENIGMA 2000 is careful not to overstep the line, a cautious approach must, out of sensibility, be observed as the statement made in our newsletter proclaims: Apart from the regulations concerning the reception of wireless stations within Great Britain advice on reporting intelligence matters also exists in the form of DA notices. Whoever the messages, from E03/E03a, are aimed at ENIGMA 2000 has no wish to 'advertise' the existence of these stations to those who may not support the best interests of Great Britain, or its representatives abroad. The RA169 document is not about being a killjoy. It offers advice to those with an interest in listening, interception, earwigging or call it what you will. If the representatives of HM Govt do knock there will be no defence. So yes, we are avoiding the wrath of our Government. We certainly have no wish to fall foul of the various statutes surrounding the interception of others communications and we act accordingly and in sensible fashion. ENIGMA 2000 has no funds or finacial status. Out of pocket expenses are just that - out of mine, or MikeL's pockets. 73 Paul For ENIGMA 2000 [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/enigma2000] As far as E2K and E3 are concerned, I think they are trying to avoid any overt actions on their part that could bring down the wrath of their As far as E2K and E3 are concerned, I think they are trying to avoid any overt actions on their part that could bring down the wrath of their government. I don't believe E2K has a legal defense fund. __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
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Re: [Spooks] censorship
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list PS: Also, the UK has never had free speech in the American sense. But listening to the 800MHz band in the US has apparently become a felony thanks to the Patriot act. If that's the case, then Radio Shack (which sells 800 MHz scanners) is breaking the law! Help! Police! :-) Chris Gross mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list These loggings were submitted to the Spy Numbers Station Database on 2003-10-09 by Aquila, Central Mediterranean. Freq ENIGMA Day MMDD UTC Mode Comments -- --- -- - 5435E10 Fri 09052003 0005 USB ART2 5435E10 Fri 09052003 2100 USB ART2 6930E10 Fri 09052003 2115 USB MIW2//4360 4360E10 Fri 09052003 2115 USB MIW2//6930 5339E10 Fri 09052003 2115 USB KPA2//4648 4648E10 Fri 09052003 2115 USB KPA2//5339 6840E10 Fri 09052003 2130 USB EZI 48 MRWEF//9130 9130E10 Fri 09052003 2130 USB EZI 48 MRWEF//6840 5435E10 Fri 09052003 2130 USB ART 76 RXQFE 4270E10 Fri 09052003 2130 USB PCD 6840E10 Fri 09052003 2200 USB EZI 90 PVCFL//9130 9130E10 Fri 09052003 2200 USB EZI 90 PVCFL//6840 5435E10 Fri 09052003 2200 USB ART 75 XC?VY 5435E10 Fri 09052003 2230 USB ART 92 XEFXZ 9130E10 Fri 09052003 2230 USB EZI 4270E10 Fri 09052003 2230 USB PCD2 5230E10 Fri 09052003 2245 USB CIO2 5170E10 Fri 09052003 2245 USB VLB2 5435E10 Fri 09052003 2300 USB ART 19 KETRO The Spy Numbers Database is an effort to create as complete a record of Spy Numbers Station transmissions as possible. You can submit your loggings to the database, and search the database. Details are available at http://www.blackcatsystems.com/numbersDB __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
Re: [Spooks] censorship
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list PS: Also, the UK has never had free speech in the American sense. But listening to the 800MHz band in the US has apparently become a felony thanks to the Patriot act. If that's the case, then Radio Shack (which sells 800 MHz scanners) is breaking the law! Help! Police! :-) The restrictions are in cellular/pager frequencies, not 800 MHz in general. We need to be more careful when specifying frequency ranges. __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list These loggings were submitted to the Spy Numbers Station Database on 2003-10-09 by Bob Swartz, Lovettsville, Va.. Freq ENIGMA Day MMDD UTC Mode Comments -- --- -- - 5170E10 Sat 03092002 2245 USB VLB2 7445E10 Sat 03092002 2245 USB SYN2 6270E10 Sat 03092002 2300 USB ULX 13 ZDMWK//4880 4880E10 Sat 03092002 2300 USB ULX 13 ZDMWK//6270 5435E10 Sat 03092002 2300 USB ART 4461E10 Sat 03092002 2300 USB FTJ 5435E10 Sat 03092002 2330 USB ART 62 WEQDN 6270E10 Sun 03102002 0100 USB ULX 22 TTLTE 7445E10 Sun 03102002 2218 USB STN D2 repeated continuously, last noted 0120z 11 Mar 4880E10 Sun 03102002 2230 USB ULX2//6270 6270E10 Sun 03102002 2230 USB ULX2//4880 5091E10 Sun 03102002 2230 USB JSR in tfc 5170E10 Sun 03102002 2245 USB VLB2//6370 6370E10 Sun 03102002 2245 USB VLB2//5170 4360E10 Sun 03102002 2245 USB CIO2//5339 5339E10 Sun 03102002 2245 USB CIO2//4360 4880E10 Sun 03102002 2300 USB ULX 29 EPGBX, 82 NXIJZ//6270 6270E10 Sun 03102002 2300 USB ULX 29 EPGBX, 82 NXIJZ//4880 5435E10 Sun 03102002 2330 USB ART 62 WEQDN The Spy Numbers Database is an effort to create as complete a record of Spy Numbers Station transmissions as possible. You can submit your loggings to the database, and search the database. Details are available at http://www.blackcatsystems.com/numbersDB __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
Re: [Spooks] censorship
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list If I'm not mistaken, it is okay to sell or own 800 MHz scanners in USA, but the FCC won't approve newly manufactured 800 MHz scanners anymore. Listening to cell or cordless phones or any private conversations for that matter is illegal in USA. In Canada it is okay to listen to 800 MHz cell phones conversations, as long as you do not repeat what you hear. The fun part is that most new scanners are imported from USA, so you'll find 800 MHz blocked scanners even if it is legal in Canada. In fact the CRTC (the folks regulating freqs in Canada) think that anything floating in the air is public domain. So they think it is the responsibility of the transmitters to protect their private conversations. Decoding digital Tx is okay in Canada, but I think breaking a propriatary crypto, including numbers stations, would fall in the big no-no category. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's the case, then Radio Shack (which sells 800 MHz scanners) is breaking the law! Help! Police! :-) Chris Gross __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
Re: [Spooks] censorship
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Original Message: - On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's the case, then Radio Shack (which sells 800 MHz scanners) is breaking the law! Help! Police! :-) The restrictions are in cellular/pager frequencies, not 800 MHz in general. We need to be more careful when specifying frequency ranges. Exactly; it's not the entire band, just the part reserved for private communications. Chris Gross mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Amatuer in what country? What part of 800 MHz or near it can you broadcast in? Kurt --- Ross Technologies Signals Intelligence Division Rosetta Proving Grounds __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
Re: [Spooks] E023
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hi PATRICE and ALL, Somebody have a complete E23 recording ? Regards, Igor 8188.0 khz 20031008 1155z E23USB 0,19 then headers 08084,41749,86909 (twice) weak near Paris, lots of static then into 51342,89852, 89696 14298 und so weiter... Pat icom r75 __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/faq.htm Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Visit http://www.spynumbers.com/ for complete information about Spy Numbers Stations
