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Re: Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread BRUCE VERHEI via Sprinklerforum

It wouldn’t be unlikely that this was offered as an alternative to some code 
requirement. One-hour corridor construction, including separation? At later 
date it’s a done deal, unless you want to propose a new building plan review 
for fire and life safety. I doubt your customer wants to hire an architect and 
submit a building permit application.

Best.

Bruce Verhei
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> On 4/8/2021 10:04 AM, Thomas Reinhardt via Sprinklerforum wrote:
> > Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old 
> > McDonalds restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads 
> > piped off domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I 
> > found nothing in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that 
> > maybe when it was built that the code may have warrant this protection. 
> > Usually I see this in residential building where the basement store room 
> > has one or two heads. Any thoughts. Thanks
> >
> > Tom Reinhardt
> > Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
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> > 7424 Niles Center Road
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RE: Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread Thomas Reinhardt via Sprinklerforum

Only heads in whole building. Thanks

Tom Reinhardt
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Is there also a stand-alone sprinkler system, or are those the only 4 heads in 
the building?

Matt


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Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old McDonalds 
restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads piped off 
domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I found nothing 
in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that maybe when it was 
built that the code may have warrant this protection. Usually I see this in 
residential building where the basement store room has one or two heads. Any 
thoughts. Thanks

Tom Reinhardt
Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
Plan Review/Fire Inspector
7424 Niles Center Road
Skokie Fire Department
Skokie, IL 60077 847-982-5342
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Re: Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum

Tom,

Seeing that you are in Illinois, it may be helpful to mention that the
Illinois Plumbing Code allows up to 20 heads to be directly connected to
the domestic water system.  There are other requirements in the Plumbing
Code, which can be found in Section 890.1130.

Unfortunately, I don't know why they did this at this McDonalds, which I
think is what you are asking.

Thanks,
Skyler Bilbo
Downstate Illinois

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 9:05 AM Thomas Reinhardt via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old
> McDonalds restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads
> piped off domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I
> found nothing in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that
> maybe when it was built that the code may have warrant this protection.
> Usually I see this in residential building where the basement store room
> has one or two heads. Any thoughts. Thanks
>
> Tom Reinhardt
> Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
> Plan Review/Fire Inspector
> 7424 Niles Center Road
> Skokie Fire Department
> Skokie, IL 60077 847-982-5342
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Re: Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread Vince Sabolik via Sprinklerforum


Limited Area System 4.12



On 4/8/2021 10:04 AM, Thomas Reinhardt via Sprinklerforum wrote:

Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old McDonalds 
restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads piped off 
domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I found nothing 
in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that maybe when it was 
built that the code may have warrant this protection. Usually I see this in 
residential building where the basement store room has one or two heads. Any 
thoughts. Thanks

Tom Reinhardt
Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
Plan Review/Fire Inspector
7424 Niles Center Road
Skokie Fire Department
Skokie, IL 60077 847-982-5342
thomas.reinha...@skokie.org


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Re: Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum

This may have been approved by the local AHJ, which would be the
appropriate assumption based on NFPA 25. We are not doing a design
analysis.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 9:34 AM Dale Wingard via Sprinklerforum <
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> Sounds like the intent was to protect the egress.  I'm not sure about the
> current IBC but there use to be where a max of 6 sprinklers was allowed to
> be supplied from the domestic water to provide this sort of protection
> under certain conditions.  I'm still working from home so no access to the
> codes right now.
>
> Regards,
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> Is there also a stand-alone sprinkler system, or are those the only 4
> heads in the building?
>
> Matt
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> Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old
> McDonalds restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads
> piped off domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I
> found nothing in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that
> maybe when it was built that the code may have warrant this protection.
> Usually I see this in residential building where the basement store room
> has one or two heads. Any thoughts. Thanks
>
> Tom Reinhardt
> Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
> Plan Review/Fire Inspector
> 7424 Niles Center Road
> Skokie Fire Department
> Skokie, IL 60077 847-982-5342
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RE: Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread Dale Wingard via Sprinklerforum

Sounds like the intent was to protect the egress.  I'm not sure about the 
current IBC but there use to be where a max of 6 sprinklers was allowed to be 
supplied from the domestic water to provide this sort of protection under 
certain conditions.  I'm still working from home so no access to the codes 
right now.  

Regards,

Dale F. Wingard, SET
Designer Commercial/Marine Division
NICET IV #76284
Water-based Systems

Hiller Systems
A Division of The Hiller Companies, Inc.

3751 Joy Springs Drive
Mobile, AL 36693
c: 251.509.7108
o: 251.661.1275 ext. 10145
HillerFire.com



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Is there also a stand-alone sprinkler system, or are those the only 4 heads in 
the building?

Matt 


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Subject: Old sprinklers

Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old McDonalds 
restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads piped off 
domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I found nothing 
in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that maybe when it was 
built that the code may have warrant this protection. Usually I see this in 
residential building where the basement store room has one or two heads. Any 
thoughts. Thanks

Tom Reinhardt
Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
Plan Review/Fire Inspector
7424 Niles Center Road
Skokie Fire Department
Skokie, IL 60077 847-982-5342
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RE: Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread Dennis Wilson via Sprinklerforum

What monitors them 4 sprinklers?
What happens if one goes off in the middle of the night!!!

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Is there also a stand-alone sprinkler system, or are those the only 4 heads in 
the building?

Matt 


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Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old McDonalds 
restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads piped off 
domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I found nothing 
in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that maybe when it was 
built that the code may have warrant this protection. Usually I see this in 
residential building where the basement store room has one or two heads. Any 
thoughts. Thanks

Tom Reinhardt
Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
Plan Review/Fire Inspector
7424 Niles Center Road
Skokie Fire Department
Skokie, IL 60077 847-982-5342
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RE: Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum

Is there also a stand-alone sprinkler system, or are those the only 4 heads in 
the building?

Matt 


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Subject: Old sprinklers

Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old McDonalds 
restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads piped off 
domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I found nothing 
in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that maybe when it was 
built that the code may have warrant this protection. Usually I see this in 
residential building where the basement store room has one or two heads. Any 
thoughts. Thanks

Tom Reinhardt
Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
Plan Review/Fire Inspector
7424 Niles Center Road
Skokie Fire Department
Skokie, IL 60077 847-982-5342
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Old sprinklers

2021-04-08 Thread Thomas Reinhardt via Sprinklerforum

Question for the group. I recently did an inspection at a very old McDonalds 
restaurant in town. During inspection found 4 sprinkler heads piped off 
domestic  protecting the rear corridor leading the exit access. I found nothing 
in the old file showing this installation. I do realize that maybe when it was 
built that the code may have warrant this protection. Usually I see this in 
residential building where the basement store room has one or two heads. Any 
thoughts. Thanks

Tom Reinhardt
Skokie Fire Prevention Bureau
Plan Review/Fire Inspector
7424 Niles Center Road
Skokie Fire Department
Skokie, IL 60077 847-982-5342
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RE: 50 year old sprinklers

2015-05-11 Thread Brian Harris

Bingo! I guess no matter how long I looked in NFPA-13 I was never going to find 
it.. 

Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
bvssytemsinc.com

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NFPA 25 - 5.3.1.1.1 I think is what you are looking for.
On May 11, 2015 10:05 AM, "Brian Harris"  wrote:

> Can someone point me to the section regarding the testing procedure 
> for sprinklers over 50 years old? Can't seem to put my finger on it 
> this morning.
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Re: 50 year old sprinklers

2015-05-11 Thread Phillip Snoeberger

NFPA 25 - 5.3.1.1.1 I think is what you are looking for.
On May 11, 2015 10:05 AM, "Brian Harris"  wrote:

> Can someone point me to the section regarding the testing procedure for
> sprinklers over 50 years old? Can't seem to put my finger on it this
> morning.
>
> Thanks,
>
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50 year old sprinklers

2015-05-11 Thread Brian Harris

Can someone point me to the section regarding the testing procedure for 
sprinklers over 50 years old? Can't seem to put my finger on it this morning.

Thanks,

Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
Sprinkler Division
bvssystemsinc.com
Phone: 704.896.9989
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