Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
Has anyone designed a warehouse of Tissue Paper wrapped in Plastic maximum storage height of 25'-0" high in a building that is 38'-0" high. I couldn't find any design criteria in NFPA-13 for this commodity. Mike ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
Depends on the packaging. If it is in boxes, class 4? If it is loose, then maybe lightweight rolled paper? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:30 AM To: Sprinkler Forum Cc: Mike Hairfield Subject: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Has anyone designed a warehouse of Tissue Paper wrapped in Plastic maximum storage height of 25'-0" high in a building that is 38'-0" high. I couldn't find any design criteria in NFPA-13 for this commodity. Mike ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2flists.firesprinkler.org%2flistinfo.cgi%2fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org&c=E,1,t20xtsAN2fnCefyqXmvkS-nQ3SE6sM_TjpEeIefY982173jJisfF0gnSPTjjK-gsBcgCDttdBZ5wCNlenc3lLrE-5VYGP3hDF4vF4P2ooM20hmbs&typo=1 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
Sorry - just looked at the NFPA 13 criteria for tissue. I don't see any options to fit those criteria. Maybe they could store it in boxes? Have you looked into FM criteria? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matt Grise Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Depends on the packaging. If it is in boxes, class 4? If it is loose, then maybe lightweight rolled paper? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:30 AM To: Sprinkler Forum Cc: Mike Hairfield Subject: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Has anyone designed a warehouse of Tissue Paper wrapped in Plastic maximum storage height of 25'-0" high in a building that is 38'-0" high. I couldn't find any design criteria in NFPA-13 for this commodity. Mike ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2flists.firesprinkler.org%2flistinfo.cgi%2fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org&c=E,1,t20xtsAN2fnCefyqXmvkS-nQ3SE6sM_TjpEeIefY982173jJisfF0gnSPTjjK-gsBcgCDttdBZ5wCNlenc3lLrE-5VYGP3hDF4vF4P2ooM20hmbs&typo=1 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2flists.firesprinkler.org%2flistinfo.cgi%2fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org&c=E,1,8KpP5AWYv4mbPvNfMmcC-f0c-2hpcMfM1MZnsfUgfVMgTytPhbTXTbGCb-OmcrqB6c1ggfUF8z8ITrxEdflDFWAUcbd-pyAcsbmlgzc9vx9LQ4cU6_IuQNWzYw,,&typo=1 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
I just found this in NFPA-13 2013 Table A.5.6.4.1 that Paper products, uncartoned and plastic wrapped is Group A Plastic Commodities. Is this correct? Mike From: Sprinklerforum on behalf of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:38 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matt Grise Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Sorry - just looked at the NFPA 13 criteria for tissue. I don't see any options to fit those criteria. Maybe they could store it in boxes? Have you looked into FM criteria? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matt Grise Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Depends on the packaging. If it is in boxes, class 4? If it is loose, then maybe lightweight rolled paper? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:30 AM To: Sprinkler Forum Cc: Mike Hairfield Subject: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Has anyone designed a warehouse of Tissue Paper wrapped in Plastic maximum storage height of 25'-0" high in a building that is 38'-0" high. I couldn't find any design criteria in NFPA-13 for this commodity. Mike ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinkprotect.cudasvc.com%2Furl%3Fa%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252flists.firesprinkler.org%252flistinfo.cgi%252fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org%26c%3DE%2C1%2Ct20xtsAN2fnCefyqXmvkS-nQ3SE6sM_TjpEeIefY982173jJisfF0gnSPTjjK-gsBcgCDttdBZ5wCNlenc3lLrE-5VYGP3hDF4vF4P2ooM20hmbs%26typo%3D1&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5626b09c3c7f49b57fe008d8c6b6b4a4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637477835304883096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LlwobQ3Fmz63C9H%2BvmLM5HWAK4dXsD3QymmHOLc%2Fg%2FE%3D&reserved=0 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinkprotect.cudasvc.com%2Furl%3Fa%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252flists.firesprinkler.org%252flistinfo.cgi%252fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org%26c%3DE%2C1%2C8KpP5AWYv4mbPvNfMmcC-f0c-2hpcMfM1MZnsfUgfVMgTytPhbTXTbGCb-OmcrqB6c1ggfUF8z8ITrxEdflDFWAUcbd-pyAcsbmlgzc9vx9LQ4cU6_IuQNWzYw%2C%2C%26typo%3D1&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5626b09c3c7f49b57fe008d8c6b6b4a4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637477835304883096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=uhzSqaLRtQHjw8dblT1xdyAOqgqgwtOhyJmogTENbNk%3D&reserved=0 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.firesprinkler.org%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5626b09c3c7f49b57fe008d8c6b6b4a4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637477835304883096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3SbsPpQ1arHkb8%2FrCe5xNkehVGakJMY8ZZ9I02GNEFM%3D&reserved=0 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
Yes, the plastic is the material first exposed to the fire/ignition source. Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:43 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Mike Hairfield Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic I just found this in NFPA-13 2013 Table A.5.6.4.1 that Paper products, uncartoned and plastic wrapped is Group A Plastic Commodities. Is this correct? Mike From: Sprinklerforum on behalf of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:38 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matt Grise Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Sorry - just looked at the NFPA 13 criteria for tissue. I don't see any options to fit those criteria. Maybe they could store it in boxes? Have you looked into FM criteria? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matt Grise Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Depends on the packaging. If it is in boxes, class 4? If it is loose, then maybe lightweight rolled paper? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:30 AM To: Sprinkler Forum Cc: Mike Hairfield Subject: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Has anyone designed a warehouse of Tissue Paper wrapped in Plastic maximum storage height of 25'-0" high in a building that is 38'-0" high. I couldn't find any design criteria in NFPA-13 for this commodity. Mike ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flinkprotect.cudasvc.com*2Furl*3Fa*3Dhttp*253a*252f*252flists.firesprinkler.org*252flistinfo.cgi*252fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org*26c*3DE*2C1*2Ct20xtsAN2fnCefyqXmvkS-nQ3SE6sM_TjpEeIefY982173jJisfF0gnSPTjjK-gsBcgCDttdBZ5wCNlenc3lLrE-5VYGP3hDF4vF4P2ooM20hmbs*26typo*3D1&data=04*7C01*7C*7C5626b09c3c7f49b57fe008d8c6b6b4a4*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435*7C1*7C0*7C637477835304883096*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=LlwobQ3Fmz63C9H*2BvmLM5HWAK4dXsD3QymmHOLc*2Fg*2FE*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SFdVRAd9QugBm_bQFLshmscR94uS3eaAsox4h75ekHxrwaPKTKeiimDOoRMoY21v7g$ ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flinkprotect.cudasvc.com*2Furl*3Fa*3Dhttp*253a*252f*252flists.firesprinkler.org*252flistinfo.cgi*252fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org*26c*3DE*2C1*2C8KpP5AWYv4mbPvNfMmcC-f0c-2hpcMfM1MZnsfUgfVMgTytPhbTXTbGCb-OmcrqB6c1ggfUF8z8ITrxEdflDFWAUcbd-pyAcsbmlgzc9vx9LQ4cU6_IuQNWzYw*2C*2C*26typo*3D1&data=04*7C01*7C*7C5626b09c3c7f49b57fe008d8c6b6b4a4*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435*7C1*7C0*7C637477835304883096*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=uhzSqaLRtQHjw8dblT1xdyAOqgqgwtOhyJmogTENbNk*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SFdVRAd9QugBm_bQFLshmscR94uS3eaAsox4h75ekHxrwaPKTKeiimDOoRN__5oi7A$ ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Flists.firesprinkler.org*2Flistinfo.cgi*2Fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org&data=04*7C01*7C*7C5626b09c3c7f49b57fe008d8c6b6b4a4*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435*7C1*7C0*7C637477835304883096*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=3SbsPpQ1arHkb8*2FrCe5xNkehVGakJMY8ZZ9I02GNEFM*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SFdVRAd9QugBm_bQFLshmscR94uS3eaAsox4h75ekHxrwaPKTKeiimDOoRMTEzU1dQ$ ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SFdVRAd9QugBm_bQFLshmscR94uS3eaAsox4h75ekHxrwaPKTKeiimDOoROknBmx7A$ NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipi
Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
Following up - the 2019 edition of NFPA 13 has similar language: Table A.20.4(b) Tissue products plastic-wrapped: exposed - Group A nonexpanded Tissue products plastic-wrapped; cartoned - Class III Hope this helps. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, PE *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* *American Fire Sprinkler Association* m: p: 301-343-1457 214-349-5965 ext 121 w: firesprinkler.org <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/> <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> *Our members are at the heart of everything we do.* *Expand your design department in 2021!* AFSA is taking its popular two-week Beginning Fire Sprinkler System Planning School on the road. From San Diego to Tampa Bay and stops in between, our technical experts will teach the basics of system layout based on the 2019 edition of NFPA 13. Space is limited. Enroll today at https://www.firesprinkler.org/schools. On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 2:50 PM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Yes, the plastic is the material first exposed to the fire/ignition source. > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:43 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Mike Hairfield > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > I just found this in NFPA-13 2013 Table A.5.6.4.1 that Paper products, > uncartoned and plastic wrapped is Group A Plastic Commodities. > > Is this correct? > Mike > > > From: Sprinklerforum on > behalf of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:38 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Cc: Matt Grise > Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > Sorry - just looked at the NFPA 13 criteria for tissue. I don't see any > options to fit those criteria. > > Maybe they could store it in boxes? Have you looked into FM criteria? > > Matt > > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:32 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Matt Grise > Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > Depends on the packaging. If it is in boxes, class 4? If it is loose, then > maybe lightweight rolled paper? > > Matt > > > -----Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:30 AM > To: Sprinkler Forum > Cc: Mike Hairfield > Subject: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > Has anyone designed a warehouse of Tissue Paper wrapped in Plastic maximum > storage height of 25'-0" high in a building that is 38'-0" high. > > I couldn't find any design criteria in NFPA-13 for this commodity. > > Mike > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flinkprotect.cudasvc.com*2Furl*3Fa*3Dhttp*253a*252f*252flists.firesprinkler.org*252flistinfo.cgi*252fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org*26c*3DE*2C1*2Ct20xtsAN2fnCefyqXmvkS-nQ3SE6sM_TjpEeIefY982173jJisfF0gnSPTjjK-gsBcgCDttdBZ5wCNlenc3lLrE-5VYGP3hDF4vF4P2ooM20hmbs*26typo*3D1&data=04*7C01*7C*7C5626b09c3c7f49b57fe008d8c6b6b4a4*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435*7C1*7C0*7C637477835304883096*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000&sdata=LlwobQ3Fmz63C9H*2BvmLM5HWAK4dXsD3QymmHOLc*2Fg*2FE*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SFdVRAd9QugBm_bQFLshmscR94uS3eaAsox4h75ekHxrwaPKTKeiimDOoRMoY21v7g$ > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flinkprotect.cudasvc.com*2Furl*3Fa*3Dhttp*253a*252f*252flists.firesprinkler.org*252flistinfo.cgi*252fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org*26c*3DE*2C1*2C8KpP5AWYv4mbPvNfMmcC-f0c-2hpcMfM1MZnsfUgfVMgTytPhbTXTbGCb-OmcrqB6c1ggfUF8z8ITrxEdflDFWAUcbd-pyAcsbmlgzc9vx9LQ4cU6_IuQNWzYw*2C*2C*26typo*3D1&da
RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
Just to make sure I understand the applications - - Roll paper storage classification is more for bulk storage of giant rolls of paper that will be used to make paper products, - the "tissue products" classifications with their various wrappings and cartons (group A/Class III) is geared towards consumer goods that are shipping for purchase/sales distribution Is that the general idea? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 10:14 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: John Denhardt Subject: Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Following up - the 2019 edition of NFPA 13 has similar language: Table A.20.4(b) Tissue products plastic-wrapped: exposed - Group A nonexpanded Tissue products plastic-wrapped; cartoned - Class III Hope this helps. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, PE *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* *American Fire Sprinkler Association* m: p: 301-343-1457 214-349-5965 ext 121 w: https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2ffiresprinkler.org&c=E,1,6R2lVTs1zpAXBw9d49G57NLQSZxQsZWtXkkcBKWkYNwE1oWLKWwyoYBlpBUQVIxwkUx6tKyVKP0HJIAUZB9CtB3LghbeFZjJwA2Ut8-IlewIVDUoByQ,&typo=1 <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/> <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> *Our members are at the heart of everything we do.* *Expand your design department in 2021!* AFSA is taking its popular two-week Beginning Fire Sprinkler System Planning School on the road. From San Diego to Tampa Bay and stops in between, our technical experts will teach the basics of system layout based on the 2019 edition of NFPA 13. Space is limited. Enroll today at https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.firesprinkler.org%2fschools.&c=E,1,CkNDea30BW_p5PaehQxMO3eRwHYTkGmF9RG7CK-Tg6pAjv26sHa5xbez5VcvdrA3_bNOdsviMED4IPcjgtTOFLPwHIsX1h8miGVMY5w-Mm_pvxE,&typo=1 On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 2:50 PM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Yes, the plastic is the material first exposed to the fire/ignition source. > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum > On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:43 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Mike Hairfield > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > I just found this in NFPA-13 2013 Table A.5.6.4.1 that Paper products, > uncartoned and plastic wrapped is Group A Plastic Commodities. > > Is this correct? > Mike > > > From: Sprinklerforum > on behalf of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:38 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Cc: Matt Grise > Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > Sorry - just looked at the NFPA 13 criteria for tissue. I don't see > any options to fit those criteria. > > Maybe they could store it in boxes? Have you looked into FM criteria? > > Matt > > > -Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > On Behalf Of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:32 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Matt Grise > Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > Depends on the packaging. If it is in boxes, class 4? If it is loose, > then maybe lightweight rolled paper? > > Matt > > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum > On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:30 AM > To: Sprinkler Forum > Cc: Mike Hairfield > Subject: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > Has anyone designed a warehouse of Tissue Paper wrapped in Plastic > maximum storage height of 25'-0" high in a building that is 38'-0" high. > > I couldn't find any design criteria in NFPA-13 for this commodity. > > Mike > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flinkprotect.cudasvc.com*2Furl*3Fa*3Dhttp*253a*2 > 52f*252flists.firesprinkler.org*252flistinfo.cgi*252fsprinklerforum-fi > resprinkler.org*26c*3DE*2C1*2Ct20xtsAN2fnCefyqXmvkS
RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
It is more of a difference in the weight and density of the paper product. Tissue products are not limited to Kleenex in boxes for retail sales. Typically the more dense the product the higher the ignition temps are. NFPA 13 defines the classes based on density of the material not its end use. Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 11:22 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matt Grise Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Just to make sure I understand the applications - - Roll paper storage classification is more for bulk storage of giant rolls of paper that will be used to make paper products, - the "tissue products" classifications with their various wrappings and cartons (group A/Class III) is geared towards consumer goods that are shipping for purchase/sales distribution Is that the general idea? Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 10:14 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: John Denhardt Subject: Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic Following up - the 2019 edition of NFPA 13 has similar language: Table A.20.4(b) Tissue products plastic-wrapped: exposed - Group A nonexpanded Tissue products plastic-wrapped; cartoned - Class III Hope this helps. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, PE *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* *American Fire Sprinkler Association* m: p: 301-343-1457 214-349-5965 ext 121 w: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https*3a*2f*2ffiresprinkler.org&c=E,1,6R2lVTs1zpAXBw9d49G57NLQSZxQsZWtXkkcBKWkYNwE1oWLKWwyoYBlpBUQVIxwkUx6tKyVKP0HJIAUZB9CtB3LghbeFZjJwA2Ut8-IlewIVDUoByQ,&typo=1__;JSUl!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!TMNFcfNkcjX7Kv654ixgVlbqCccIDIF8jGkZYOVNeF8vyiO5jIz6UKWvfrv3z9BMTw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!TMNFcfNkcjX7Kv654ixgVlbqCccIDIF8jGkZYOVNeF8vyiO5jIz6UKWvfrv7Bxw00A$ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!TMNFcfNkcjX7Kv654ixgVlbqCccIDIF8jGkZYOVNeF8vyiO5jIz6UKWvfrsaAb5naA$ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!TMNFcfNkcjX7Kv654ixgVlbqCccIDIF8jGkZYOVNeF8vyiO5jIz6UKWvfrtBWOGCFQ$ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!TMNFcfNkcjX7Kv654ixgVlbqCccIDIF8jGkZYOVNeF8vyiO5jIz6UKWvfruP8H2q1g$ > *Our members are at the heart of everything we do.* *Expand your design department in 2021!* AFSA is taking its popular two-week Beginning Fire Sprinkler System Planning School on the road. From San Diego to Tampa Bay and stops in between, our technical experts will teach the basics of system layout based on the 2019 edition of NFPA 13. Space is limited. Enroll today at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https*3a*2f*2fwww.firesprinkler.org*2fschools.&c=E,1,CkNDea30BW_p5PaehQxMO3eRwHYTkGmF9RG7CK-Tg6pAjv26sHa5xbez5VcvdrA3_bNOdsviMED4IPcjgtTOFLPwHIsX1h8miGVMY5w-Mm_pvxE,&typo=1__;JSUlJQ!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!TMNFcfNkcjX7Kv654ixgVlbqCccIDIF8jGkZYOVNeF8vyiO5jIz6UKWvfrtzClNI7g$ On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 2:50 PM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Yes, the plastic is the material first exposed to the fire/ignition source. > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | http://www.jacobs.com > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum > On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:43 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Mike Hairfield > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > I just found this in NFPA-13 2013 Table A.5.6.4.1 that Paper products, > uncartoned and plastic wrapped is Group A Plastic Commodities. > > Is this correct? > Mike > > > From: Sprinklerforum > on behalf of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:38 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Cc: Matt Grise > Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > Sorry - just looked at the NFPA 13 criteria for tissue. I don't see > any options to fit those criteria. > > Maybe the
RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic
Roll paper is not toilet paper. Roll paper is one of three forms. Jumbos. These are the width of the paper machine (drying unit). Temporary, to be cut again at the pulp or paper mill. 13-25 tons. I may be out of date here. On an expensive steel spindle. Paper that is finished material, often shipped, cut later and package for final consumer packaging. Once upon a time sometimes coated from this size, although again, I’m likely out of date. A few hundred kilograms. Occasionally pulp, that is a thicker, heavier sheet. To be thrown in a giant eggbeater thing called a hydropulper, water added, and made into finished paper. Again, commonly a couple hundred kilograms. Best. Bruce Verhei PS. The only false operation I ever personally saw was in roll storage area of a pulp mill. I heard this air hissing up at the roof, and stood there staring up like a duck in traffic. When guy I was with ran, so did I, with no idea why. When the rusty water came out I was glad I did. > On 02/02/2021 11:21 AM Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > > Just to make sure I understand the applications - > > - Roll paper storage classification is more for bulk storage of giant rolls > of paper that will be used to make paper products, > - the "tissue products" classifications with their various wrappings and > cartons (group A/Class III) is geared towards consumer goods that are > shipping for purchase/sales distribution > > Is that the general idea? > > Matt > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 10:14 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: John Denhardt > Subject: Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > Following up - the 2019 edition of NFPA 13 has similar language: > > Table A.20.4(b) > Tissue products plastic-wrapped: exposed - Group A nonexpanded Tissue > products plastic-wrapped; cartoned - Class III > > Hope this helps. > > Thanks, > John > > John August Denhardt, PE > *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* > > *American Fire Sprinkler Association* > m: p: 301-343-1457 > 214-349-5965 ext 121 > w: > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2ffiresprinkler.org&c=E,1,6R2lVTs1zpAXBw9d49G57NLQSZxQsZWtXkkcBKWkYNwE1oWLKWwyoYBlpBUQVIxwkUx6tKyVKP0HJIAUZB9CtB3LghbeFZjJwA2Ut8-IlewIVDUoByQ,&typo=1 > <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> > <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/> ><https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> > > *Our members are at the heart of everything we do.* > > > *Expand your design department in 2021!* AFSA is taking its popular two-week > Beginning Fire Sprinkler System Planning School on the road. From San Diego > to Tampa Bay and stops in between, our technical experts will teach the > basics of system layout based on the 2019 edition of NFPA 13. Space is > limited. Enroll today at > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.firesprinkler.org%2fschools.&c=E,1,CkNDea30BW_p5PaehQxMO3eRwHYTkGmF9RG7CK-Tg6pAjv26sHa5xbez5VcvdrA3_bNOdsviMED4IPcjgtTOFLPwHIsX1h8miGVMY5w-Mm_pvxE,&typo=1 > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 2:50 PM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > > Yes, the plastic is the material first exposed to the fire/ignition source. > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | > > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sprinklerforum > > On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum > > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:43 AM > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > Cc: Mike Hairfield > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > > > I just found this in NFPA-13 2013 Table A.5.6.4.1 that Paper products, > > uncartoned and plastic wrapped is Group A Plastic Commodities. > > > > Is this correct? > > Mike > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > > on behalf of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum < > > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:38 AM > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org < > > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > > Cc: Matt Grise > > Subject: RE: Tissue Paper Wrapped in Plastic > > > > Sorry - just looked at the NFPA 13 criteria for
