[sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
Don't want to start any flame war, but found this, which I consider are valid points for the "reply-to" mail header: http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml Written in response to Chip Rosenthal's "Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful" (http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html). Just food for the brain ;) Regards, ~Nuno Lucas
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
Nuno Lucas wrote: Don't want to start any flame war, but found this, which I consider are valid points for the "reply-to" mail header: http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml Written in response to Chip Rosenthal's "Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful" (http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html). As an experiment, I have turned on Reply-To munging. Reply-To now points back to the mailing list (assuming I did it right). I agree that the default Reply-To back to the original author is very annoying. 99% of the time you want to reply back to the list. On those rare occasions when you want to reply to just the author, it isn't too much trouble to type in an email address. If, on the other hand, we start running into problems with vacation replies and other kinds of autoresponder, I'll go back to the non-munged Reply-To. -- D. Richard Hipp -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 704.948.4565
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 D. Richard Hipp wrote: | As an experiment, I have turned on Reply-To munging. Reply-To now | points back to the mailing list (assuming I did it right). IMHO this is a annoying experiment. MUAs have two buttons or key-bindings: One replies to the author, and one replies to all. If you put an Reply-To Header in the mail, you make this options disfunctional. Now, both buttons do the same thing, they don't work as expected. Freedom is all about choice. Reply-To tries to disable the choice. Not very friendly, in my opinion. Please switch off Reply-To again. Thank you. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBAQFsSIrOxc3jOmoRAp0GAJ9Epo7qO1yTQ8uDYwWTBmwGDWUDWwCdEtTu tbdY6WNx63fzC3gUkqE0Uzg= =vn3g -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
> If you put an Reply-To Header in the mail, you make this options > disfunctional. Now, both buttons do the same thing, they don't work as > expected. > > Freedom is all about choice. Reply-To tries to disable the choice. Not > very friendly, in my opinion. > > Please switch off Reply-To again. > > Thank you. I'd have to agree with author here. While I assume most of you don't reply to the person directly, I like replying to people personally, mostly to avoid sending people unneeded and unwanted amounts of mail, when a reply is specific to a problem. Removing the Reply-To makes me have to view the mail properties, find the >From email, then type that in. On the other hand, if I wanted to reply to the list before and not to a person directly, all I had to do was hilight the name and delete it. A lot less painful than the other way around IMHO. Jay Macaulay
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
> As an experiment, I have turned on Reply-To munging. Reply-To now > points back to the mailing list (assuming I did it right). I'll be interested in seeing how this turns out. I've been waffling on the issue since reading the original essay, but the rebuttal makes some good points. The purpose of a discussion list is to hold a discussion with a group of people, not individuals. For the majority of members, sending to an individual will likely be the exception, not the rule. I don't find it particularly onerous to copy the email address from the message text (since my mailer kindly retrieves the *author's* email in my reply text) and copy it to the "To" field.
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
I, on the other hand, prefer to have a reply-to in a mailing list go to that mailing list. For the rare occassion that I reply to someone personally on a mailing list, I don't mind the extra steps to get their email address. I think what you're going to find with this topic is that you will make just as many people unhappy either way the reply-to ends up being set. It's just a matter of personal preference. -- Eric Pankoke Founder / Lead Developer Point Of Light Software http://www.polsoftware.com/ > > If you put an Reply-To Header in the mail, you make this options > > disfunctional. Now, both buttons do the same thing, they don't work as > > expected. > > > > Freedom is all about choice. Reply-To tries to disable the choice. Not > > very friendly, in my opinion. > > > > Please switch off Reply-To again. > > > > Thank you. > > I'd have to agree with author here. While I assume most of you don't reply > to the person directly, I like replying to people personally, mostly to > avoid sending people unneeded and unwanted amounts of mail, when a reply is > specific to a problem. > > Removing the Reply-To makes me have to view the mail properties, find the > From email, then type that in. On the other hand, if I wanted to reply to > the list before and not to a person directly, all I had to do was hilight > the name and delete it. A lot less painful than the other way around IMHO. > > Jay Macaulay >
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
> If you put an Reply-To Header in the mail, you make this options > disfunctional. Now, both buttons do the same thing, they don't work as > expected. > > Freedom is all about choice. Reply-To tries to disable the choice. Not > very friendly, in my opinion. > > Please switch off Reply-To again. > > Thank you. Why not specify both in the reply-to? That way you can remove the one you dont want?? _ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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Or, why dont we have a vote, and once it's decided, tuff luck thats how it stays? :) _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
Dan Keeley wrote: Or, why dont we have a vote, and once it's decided, tuff luck thats how it stays? :) Better: Somebody please write me a simple, secure, mail handler to replace qmail/ezmlm that lets each user decide for themselves whether they want a Reply-To back to the mailing list or unmunged headers. I'll be happy to supply volunteers with a detailed specification of what I am looking for in a mail system. -- D. Richard Hipp -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 704.948.4565
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> Better: Somebody please write me a simple, secure, mail handler to > replace qmail/ezmlm that lets each user decide for themselves whether > they want a Reply-To back to the mailing list or unmunged headers. > > I'll be happy to supply volunteers with a detailed specification of > what I am looking for in a mail system. Funny you should mention that. I've been looking for one of those myself, and had half decided to write my own. Problem is, I don't know anything about mail processing, so it's going to be a long road. If you don't mind though, I'd like to see those specs. Even though I can't promise you anything, I'm interested in seeing other folks' ideas. If you have them already put together, of course; I don't expect you to create them for me when I can't deliver what you're looking for.
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Brass Tilde wrote: > > Better: Somebody please write me a simple, secure, mail handler to > > replace qmail/ezmlm that lets each user decide for themselves whether > > they want a Reply-To back to the mailing list or unmunged headers. > > > > I'll be happy to supply volunteers with a detailed specification of > > what I am looking for in a mail system. > > Funny you should mention that. I've been looking for one of those myself, > and had half decided to write my own. Problem is, I don't know anything > about mail processing, so it's going to be a long road. > > If you don't mind though, I'd like to see those specs. Even though I can't > promise you anything, I'm interested in seeing other folks' ideas. If you > have them already put together, of course; I don't expect you to create them > for me when I can't deliver what you're looking for. http://siesta.sourceforge.net/ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
Le ven 23/07/2004 à 14:38, Jay Macaulay a écrit : > Removing the Reply-To makes me have to view the mail properties, find the > From email, then type that in. On the other hand, if I wanted to reply to > the list before and not to a person directly, all I had to do was hilight > the name and delete it. A lot less painful than the other way around IMHO. This is indeed all the more annoying as every other list I'm subscribed to (thats makes about 2 dozens) behaves in a 'classic' way: hitting 'reply to' answers the poster, while 'reply to all' replies to the poster and the list. Sometimes, you don't want to pollute the list with an answer that has qlready be given a billion times... such as the classic smbfs-is-not-samba response that I send privately about 5 times a week on the samba list -it's there in the archive alright but people don't read the archives- which is about the only miserable piece of knowledge I can share. I guess if pepole saw it all the time they would get sick of me quite quickly. Still, I could help quite a few people with this one. So, what I mean is this: if it's harder to send a private response, You can bet a lot of recurrent questions might end up unanswered. -- *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP public key: http://www.amakuru.net/dmorel.asc signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e=2E?=
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
Michael Roth wrote: Please switch off Reply-To again. There are certainly a few drawbacks to using Reply-To, but I can't remember the last time I was on a mailing list that didn't make use of it. Clearly, there's a very solid consensus out there that Reply-To is the way to go. -- http://www.velocityvector.com/ | "F--- 'em all. That's how I feel." http://www.classic-games.com/ | -- Michael Moore on small business http://www.indie-games.com/|
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 10:25, D. Richard Hipp wrote: > Dan Keeley wrote: > > Or, why dont we have a vote, and once it's decided, tuff luck thats how > > it stays? :) > > > > Better: Somebody please write me a simple, secure, mail handler to > replace qmail/ezmlm that lets each user decide for themselves whether > they want a Reply-To back to the mailing list or unmunged headers. > > I'll be happy to supply volunteers with a detailed specification of > what I am looking for in a mail system. I can't. Your mailing list messages prevent me from replying to you. :) ezmlm _will_ do this, btw. Simply create sublists; one with munging and one without.
Re: [sqlite] OT: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful
At 11:49 AM -0500 7/23/04, Greg Miller wrote: There are certainly a few drawbacks to using Reply-To, but I can't remember the last time I was on a mailing list that didn't make use of it. Clearly, there's a very solid consensus out there that Reply-To is the way to go. That may be because a large fraction of email lists use something like Yahoogroups, which often uses reply-to-group as a default setting, though thankfully Yahoo lets you turn that option off. -- Darren Duncan
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Le sam 24/07/2004 à 04:03, Darren Duncan a écrit : > At 11:49 AM -0500 7/23/04, Greg Miller wrote: > >There are certainly a few drawbacks to using Reply-To, but I can't > >remember the last time I was on a mailing list that didn't make use > >of it. Clearly, there's a very solid consensus out there that > >Reply-To is the way to go. > > That may be because a large fraction of email lists use something > like Yahoogroups, which often uses reply-to-group as a default > setting, though thankfully Yahoo lets you turn that option off. -- > Darren Duncan I just checked and, for instance, samba-users and security focus lists use the classic behaviour: no reply-to munging. So I think it would be great if it was a user option so everyone could stick to their little habits. -- *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP public key: http://www.amakuru.net/dmorel.asc signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e=2E?=
