Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS on MacOS 10.15 "Catalina"?
mherger wrote: > > > Have you tried re-installing LMS? The PrefPane should be 64-bit > compatible. > That's what I'm trying to avoid as everything except the preference pane is working. As you say the PrefPane should be 64-bit compatible so I don't understand why it fails. SteveShort's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70595 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111037 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS on MacOS 10.15 "Catalina"?
That's what I'm trying to avoid as everything except the preference pane is working. As you say the PrefPane should be 64-bit compatible so I don't understand why it fails. Re-installing LMS is usually a quick and painless process. Just download the package, install it. No uninstall needed. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes. And your situation can only get better, right? -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Nightly builds not available for download
Just want to report that at this moment in time none of the LMS nightly builds (7.9.4 and 8.0.0) are available for download. URL that I am using is http://downloads-origin.slimdevices.com/nightly/ I suppose this is a temporary server problem? | LMS 7.9.4 | Squeezebox Boom | RPi0W + pCP 6.1.0 + HiFiBerry DAC+ Zero | CJS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112870 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Nightly builds not available for download
Just want to report that at this moment in time none of the LMS nightly builds (7.9.4 and 8.0.0) are available for download. URL that I am using is http://downloads-origin.slimdevices.com/nightly/ I suppose this is a temporary server problem? Thanks for the heads up! IT is doing some maintenance work. Should be back shortly. -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Replay Gain: how can Peak > 1? And how to create headroom for Gain>0
SpiderJon wrote: > To quote from the ReplayGain specification > > "Psychoacoustically coded audio, such as MP3, does not exist as a > sequence of samples until it is decoded. Psychoacoustic coding of a > heavily limited file can lead to sample values larger than digital full > scale upon decoding. The coded files must be decoded using a fully > compliant decoder that allows peak overflows (i.e. has headroom) and may > result in peak amplitude values greater than 1.0." > > Last para of 'Peak Amplitude' section at > http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain_specification#Peak_amplitude > Bingo! Foobar2000 only generated peaks > 1.0 on mp3 files and not FLAC files which is what you would expect if this were correct. SpiderJon wrote: > > The "Clipping prevention" section of the RG standard -may -be relevant > here. (Apologies if it's not!) > > http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain_specification#Clipping_prevention It says that it recommends 14dB headroom which sounds sensible. 14dB is also well within the extra 8 bits resolution the SB3's 24bit DAC gives you so there shouldn't be any loss in audio quality. But the problem is I don't know how to get LMS 7.9.2 to do this? It doesn't seem to have any headroom at the moment as tracks with a peak of 1.0 and a Gain > 0.0 don't seem to have their volume increased at all. Any idea how to do this? SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 99 -> B&W surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112866 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How does Advanced Search handle multiple genre tags?
I have tried to ask this question before but got no response, probably because I sabotaged it by using unclear, confusing language. Rather than adding to that earlier thread, I am starting over and trying to be clear this time. (Seriously, it may not look like it, but I am trying!) As the subject line says, I am curious about how Advanced Search works when files contain multiple genre tags. The screenshot shows the available options. 31434 Here's what I think they mean: "Any Genre" means ignore the genre field when searching, "text search" means search for files containing any of a list of genres typed in the text entry field, "not in text search" means search for files NOT containing any of a list of genres typed in the text entry field. It is also possible to select one of the genres from the dropdown list to search for files containing that genre. Let's imagine all my music is tagged with one or more of these four genres: Rock, Jazz, Country, Classical. Most files are tagged with just one of those genres, but some contain multiple genres. Weather Report might be tagged as Jazz and Rock. Asleep At The Wheel would be Rock and Country. William Russo's Three Pieces for Blues Band and Symphony Orchestra would be Rock and Classical. And so on. Some files might even be classified in three of those genres, but I don't think any would be in all four. If I select "text search" and then enter "Rock,Jazz", I expect the search results to include every file that is tagged with either of those genres, alone or in combination with other genres. All three of the examples I mentioned would be included. And this appears to be exactly how the text search option works. So far, so good! But if I select "not in text search" and enter "Rock,Jazz", it does not work as I expect. In this case, I expect the search results to be the inverse of the previous one. This search would find every file that was NOT in the previous results and none that were included in that one. There would be no files tagged Jazz or Rock, no matter what other genre tags they might have. If it worked as I think it should, none of the examples I mentioned earlier would be included. What appears to happen is that "not in text search" works as expected for files that contain only one genre tag. All files tagged Rock or Jazz and nothing else will be excluded from the results. If files contain multiple genre tags, they will be excluded from the results ONLY if ALL the genres in their tags are in the list. So, of the examples I gave earlier, Weather Report would be excluded, because it is tagged Jazz and Rock, and both of those genres are listed. But Asleep At The Wheel would be in the results, even though it is tagged Rock, because it is also tagged Country, which is not on the list. The Russo piece would be included, despite its Rock tag, because it is also tagged Classical. Is anyone willing to test this? I'd like to know if it's working the same way for others. And I am very curious if this is the way it is expected to work. +---+ |Filename: advanced-search3.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31434| +---+ LMS 8 nightly; 3 Squeezelite players connected by powerline ethernet; 5 wireless players connected via Airplay Bridge; 1 SqueezeAmp player no high-end or esoteric audio gear 1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112872 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Replay Gain: how can Peak > 1? And how to create headroom for Gain>0
rbl wrote: > It says that it recommends 14dB headroom which sounds sensible. 14dB is > also well within the extra 8 bits resolution the SB3's 24bit DAC gives > you so there shouldn't be any loss in audio quality. > > But the problem is I don't know how to get LMS 7.9.2 to do this? It > doesn't seem to have any headroom at the moment as tracks with a peak of > 1.0 and a Gain > 0.0 don't seem to have their volume increased at all. > Any idea how to do this? If I'm understanding the way ReplayGain works, the 14dB headroom gets 'built in' when it calculates the gain for a track/album, relative to the pink noise reference. See 'Gain calculation' at http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain_specification#Gain_calculation But, obviously, it's also up to the player (so, LMS in this instance) to implement the application of ReplayGain. See 'Player requirements' at http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain_specification#Player_requirements So far as I know, LMS doesn't have any form of pre-amplification. Beyond that, I don't anything specific about how LMS does loudness normalization or clipping prevention. Maybe mherger or someone else who knows a lot more about it than I do (which leaves the field wide open) will be along... Spider Duet x 3, via various hi-fi. LMS on Raspbian/Linux 10 (buster) + OMV5 on a Pi4. SpiderJon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21798 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112866 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Replay Gain: how can Peak > 1? And how to create headroom for Gain>0
SpiderJon wrote: > If I'm understanding the way ReplayGain works, the 14dB headroom gets > 'built in' when it calculates the gain for a track/album, relative to > the pink noise reference. > > See 'Gain calculation' at > http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain_specification#Gain_calculation > > But, obviously, it's also up to the player (so, LMS in this instance) to > implement the application of ReplayGain. > > See 'Player requirements' at > http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain_specification#Player_requirements > > So far as I know, LMS doesn't have any form of pre-amplification. > Beyond that, I don't know anything specific about if/how LMS does > loudness normalization or clipping prevention. Maybe mherger or someone > else who knows a lot more about it than I do (which leaves the field > wide open) will be along... > > SpiderI think if a track has a replaygain value which is positive then LMS does not apply the full gain if clipping would occur. A message appears in the WebUI confirming how much gain has been applied. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112866 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Failed to download, will try again in x minutes. Intervals ok?
Found this in the log: Code: [20-09-02 03:06:37.5024] Slim::Utils::Firmware::downloadAsyncError (580) Warning: Firmware: Failed to download http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/8.0.0/fab4.version (403 Forbidden), will try again in 10 minutes. [20-09-02 03:06:38.4671] Slim::Utils::Firmware::downloadAsyncError (580) Warning: Firmware: Failed to download http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/8.0.0/jive.version (403 Forbidden), will try again in 20 minutes. [20-09-02 03:16:37.2541] Slim::Utils::Firmware::downloadAsyncError (580) Warning: Firmware: Failed to download http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/8.0.0/fab4.version (403 Forbidden), will try again in 40 minutes. [20-09-02 03:26:38.1938] Slim::Utils::Firmware::downloadAsyncError (580) Warning: Firmware: Failed to download http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/8.0.0/jive.version (403 Forbidden), will try again in 80 minutes. [20-09-02 03:56:37.1461] Slim::Utils::Firmware::downloadAsyncError (580) Warning: Firmware: Failed to download http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/8.0.0/fab4.version (403 Forbidden), will try again in 160 minutes. [20-09-02 04:46:38.2628] Slim::Utils::Firmware::downloadAsyncError (580) Warning: Firmware: Failed to download http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/8.0.0/jive.version (403 Forbidden), will try again in 320 minutes. [20-09-02 06:36:37.2635] Slim::Utils::Firmware::downloadAsyncError (580) Warning: Firmware: Failed to download http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/8.0.0/fab4.version (403 Forbidden), will try again in 640 minutes. [20-09-02 10:06:38.5459] Slim::Utils::Firmware::downloadAsyncError (580) Warning: Firmware: Failed to download http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/8.0.0/jive.version (403 Forbidden), will try again in 1280 minutes. The retry intervals are a bit strange. There are two files, fab4 and jive. On the one hand, they are regarded as independent: fab4: "will try again in 10 minutes". But a second later there's a try for jive. LMS is not waiting 10 minutes. Thus, independent. On the other hand, the interval is doubled nonetheless, despite it being the first try for jive. Is this intentional? Shouldn't it be (in this case): Code: fab4 ~ will try again in 10 minutes. jive ~ will try again in 10 minutes. fab4 ~ will try again in 20 minutes. jive ~ will try again in 20 minutes. etc. QLMS 8.0.0@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112873 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] separate libraries?
Thanks Kidstypike for the clear explanations and examples. I got it finally working as well. Squeezebox 3 // Squeezebox Touch // Squeezebox Boom// Squeezebox Radio// Raspberry pi stroom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9612 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111797 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] separate libraries?
stroom wrote: > Thanks Kidstypike for the clear explanations and examples. I got it > finally working as well. Thanks, good to hear. :cool: *Server - LMS 8.0.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.1.0 - 74K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B+/pCP 6.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite, *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Squeezebox Boom *Garage* - Squeezebox Radio > Edifier R980T *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 7xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111797 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Replay Gain: how can Peak > 1? And how to create headroom for Gain>0
LMS's clipping prevention considers two factors: the track peak and the amount of positive gain calcuated by ReplayGain. If those two add up to more than 0dBFS (or 1.0 on the ReplayGain scale), then LMS limits the gain to keep below that threshold. LMS's clipping prevention doesn't consider any additional headroom you might create, for instance by lowering the volume on your Touch or other player. Foobar calculates ReplayGain for a target level of -18LUFS (roughly equivalent to -89dB). That's fine for contemporary pop, rock, R&B, hip-hop and jazz, even reissues of (say) 1960s jazz, because most of those will have negative RG values. For classical music, which will often need positive gain to reach -18LUFS (as much as 27.53dB, e.g. for Schoenberg's "Kleine Klavierstücke", with similar values for Webern, Debussy and Stravinsky), you have two options: You can either use a more conservative RG setting. The excellent 'loudgain' (https://github.com/Moonbase59/loudgain), for example, allows you to set the target level at -23LUFS, which would allow an additional 5dB or so in positive gain. (-23LUFS is from the original EBU R128 specification, while Foobar's -18LUFS is a compromise for the sake of compatibility with the old RG standard and modern consumer electronics, incl. mobile phones). Or you can switch off RG whenever you play classical music (and anything else with serious dynamics, for that matter). That's the approach I ended up with, partly because I don't have any classical playlists (I almost always play whole works), partly because I hesitate to apply -23LUFS attenuation in the digital domain, when I'll often have to compensate for that by turning up the analogue volume (i.e. I doubt it makes sense to first lower SNR only to then amplify the result), and partly because my amp comes with a handy sensitivity switch that adds 6dB in gain. Oh, and by the way, you may find peaks greater than 1 in FLAC files as well, especially when you use a ReplayGain scanner that aims to detect intersample "true peak" values. MainSqueeze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112866 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Replay Gain: how can Peak > 1? And how to create headroom for Gain>0
Great info @MainSqueeze. By the way dbpoweramp (ripper and converter) will allow one to set the LUFS in its replaygain EBU R128 settings. So one can set it to -18, -23 or whatever one wants. And it has a "clip prevention" or disable "clip prevention" option in the ReplayGain settings. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 7.9.3>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.3>Squeezelite *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112866 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Replay Gain: how can Peak > 1? And how to create headroom for Gain>0
MainSqueeze wrote: > > > Or you can switch off RG whenever you play classical music (and anything > else with serious dynamics, for that matter). That's the approach I > ended up with, partly because I don't have any classical playlists (I > almost always play whole works), partly because I hesitate to apply > -23LUFS attenuation in the digital domain, when I'll often have to > compensate for that by turning up the analogue volume (i.e. I doubt it > makes sense to first lower SNR only to then amplify the result), and > partly because my amp comes with a handy sensitivity switch that adds > 6dB in gain. If LMS cannot apply the required replaygain value because the peak of the waveform is already full scale then turning off replaygain won't make any difference. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112866 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Failed to download, will try again in x minutes. Intervals ok?
The retry intervals are a bit strange. There are two files, fab4 and jive. On the one hand, they are regarded as independent: fab4: "will try again in 10 minutes". But a second later there's a try for jive. LMS is not waiting 10 minutes. Thus, independent. On the other hand, the interval is doubled nonetheless, despite it being the first try for jive. Is this intentional? Shouldn't it be (in this case): Without looking up the code I'd say the delay is not per URL, but doubled whenever there's a failure. The two lookups probably got triggered "in parallel", eg. both before the first one failed. Therefore the second didn't wait minutes before running. I hope the next lookup will succeed. -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Replay Gain: how can Peak > 1? And how to create headroom for Gain>0
garym wrote: > Great info @MainSqueeze. By the way dbpoweramp (ripper and converter) > will allow one to set the LUFS in its replaygain EBU R128 settings. So > one can set it to -18, -23 or whatever one wants. And it has a "clip > prevention" or disable "clip prevention" option in the ReplayGain > settings.Foobar 2000 also has a clipping prevention feature but it doesn't > appear to work. I have an album with Album gain +2.47 dB and an Album peak of 1.000 whether calculated with clipping prevention enabled or not. I must be missing something. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112866 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.
I haven't used LMS for awhile because I was able to upsample to DSD256 on my Windows 10 computer with other software. I read today that 3-cpo allows LMS to do that, so I reinstalled LMS and tried to enable the plug-in. Everything else in the installation seems to have gone well, but, when I tried to configure 3-cpo in Advanced Settings, I found this error message: "Unable to run C-3PO transcoder see server log." I looked at the log and have no idea how to decipher it. Here's a snip of it: 31447 Any ideas about a fix? Thanks for your help. +---+ |Filename: Annotation 2020-09-02 214142.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31447| +---+ Mike Rubin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44891 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105309 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] C-3PO plugin, a trnscoding helper.
Mike Rubin wrote: > I haven't used LMS for awhile because I was able to upsample to DSD256 > on my Windows 10 computer with other software. I read today that 3-cpo > allows LMS to do that, so I reinstalled LMS and tried to enable the > plug-in. Everything else in the installation seems to have gone well, > but, when I tried to configure 3-cpo in Advanced Settings, I found this > error message: "Unable to run C-3PO transcoder see server log." I > looked at the log and have no idea how to decipher it. Here's a snip of > it: > > 31447 > > Any ideas about a fix? Thanks for your help. And now I have this additional error message: "Squeezelite version is non R2, assuming is compliant. See players." My player is a Sonore Signature Rendu SE, which always has run both LMS, generally, and DSD, specifically, without incident before. Mike Rubin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44891 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105309 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
