Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
mherger wrote: > > I'm bemused by your statement that Album Artists don't equate to > > ALBUMARTIST tags, but I'd better leave that aside. > > Thanks :-). This has been the topic of lengthy and heated discussions. > > > BTW - How do I turn off the counts? I can't find that setting > (sorry). > > That one I can answer: Settings/Advanced/Performance/Statistics. > > -- > > Michael I was vaguely aware that the AlbumArtist issue was a heated one - best left to fester quietly in a corner somewhere :) Thanks for the menu info - I've turned the stats off. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to 405/2 amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Also a Touch with EDO, plus spare, unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105268 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
I'm bemused by your statement that Album Artists don't equate to ALBUMARTIST tags, but I'd better leave that aside. Thanks :-). This has been the topic of lengthy and heated discussions. BTW - How do I turn off the counts? I can't find that setting (sorry). That one I can answer: Settings/Advanced/Performance/Statistics. -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
mherger wrote: > > I really don't understand why this distinction is made. There must > have > > been a reason, at some stage, but what was it? Surely an Artist on a > > track when there is also a different AlbumArtist is a perfectly good > > Artist? > > Yes it is. But traditionally the "artists" list only listed what was > considered an album artist (which is not the same as the ALBUMARTIST tag > > only), and whatever you selected to show up in that list. > > But now that we have the "all artists" list, too, what are you missing? > > Piece of mind because you don't understand how those groups are > counted? > > > I'm still left with this slightly irritatingly weird calculation of > > Artists on the Web GUI (and in the scan information). > > If it bothers you, then you can turn of the display of those values in > the settings :-). > > > If there really is a good reason why they are excluded, maybe you > could > > add an option to include them, along with Composers, Conductors etc, > in > > the My Music configuration. > > TBH: I don't know why it is the way it is. It had grown before my times > > in others heads. > > -- > > Michael I guess it all just seems rather inconsistent. So for instance I include 'Composers' in 'Artists' (in My Music) but Composers don't then appear in the 'All Artists' menu, so I get another count of Artists (at the bottom of the menu) that takes a while to comprehend. It's all seems rather random. I'm bemused by your statement that Album Artists don't equate to ALBUMARTIST tags, but I'd better leave that aside. I'm also still puzzled as to why my attempt to add TRACKARTIST to the artistOnlyRoles function failed. TRACKARTIST seems to be a value literal elsewhere, and I can find other calls to the function that add 'TRACKARTIST' as an argument, but my attempt in Schema.pm generates an error. I don't understand Perl, or the LMS implementation, well enough to be able to work out why. Never mind. BTW - How do I turn off the counts? I can't find that setting (sorry). LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to 405/2 amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Also a Touch with EDO, plus spare, unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105268 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
I really don't understand why this distinction is made. There must have been a reason, at some stage, but what was it? Surely an Artist on a track when there is also a different AlbumArtist is a perfectly good Artist? Yes it is. But traditionally the "artists" list only listed what was considered an album artist (which is not the same as the ALBUMARTIST tag only), and whatever you selected to show up in that list. But now that we have the "all artists" list, too, what are you missing? Piece of mind because you don't understand how those groups are counted? I'm still left with this slightly irritatingly weird calculation of Artists on the Web GUI (and in the scan information). If it bothers you, then you can turn of the display of those values in the settings :-). If there really is a good reason why they are excluded, maybe you could add an option to include them, along with Composers, Conductors etc, in the My Music configuration. TBH: I don't know why it is the way it is. It had grown before my times in others heads. -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
mherger wrote: > > I tried modifying Queries.pm, artistsQuery, adding the TRACKARTIST > role > > to the call to artistOnlyRoles (copying a method used elsewhere in > LMS), > > and got the error I reported: > > What exactly are trying to achieve? What's the goal of this exercise? > > -- > > Michael As far as I am concerned, what LMS calls TRACKARTISTs are real honest-to-god Artists. Unfortunately, several LMS features, such as the count of Artists, and list of Artists in some menus, seem to exclude them. I really don't understand why this distinction is made. There must have been a reason, at some stage, but what was it? Surely an Artist on a track when there is also a different AlbumArtist is a perfectly good Artist? One of the reasons I originally used CustomBrowse was to get round this problem. Then came the extended Browse menus (very nice they are too by the way) so I had to make my own to add the extra artists back in. And I'm still left with this slightly irritatingly weird calculation of Artists on the Web GUI (and in the scan information). If there really is a good reason why they are excluded, maybe you could add an option to include them, along with Composers, Conductors etc, in the My Music configuration. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to 405/2 amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Also a Touch with EDO, plus spare, unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105268 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
I tried modifying Queries.pm, artistsQuery, adding the TRACKARTIST role to the call to artistOnlyRoles (copying a method used elsewhere in LMS), and got the error I reported: What exactly are trying to achieve? What's the goal of this exercise? -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
I've tried to understand /ResultSet/contributor.pm, and the That's outdated code, never called in LMS itself. It could probably be removed... The code we're using nowadays is in Slim/Control/Queries.pm -> artistsQuery(). But that's even more convoluted to cover even more use cases :-). You could run LMS with the database.sql flag set to see most SQL queries. Then when firing up the web UI (or somewhere around the startup) you might see several "... totals query..." lines. But wth? The one for contributors is missing... I've just added it for you. Please make sure you get the latest code. Here's what it _could_ be logging: SELECT contributors.id, contributors.name, contributors.namesort FROM contributors JOIN contributor_album ON contributor_album.contributor = contributors.id WHERE (contributor_album.role IN (5,1,4,2,3,6) ) ...where the numeric album roles (1-6 in this case) represent the roles you've chosen to be included as artists. I say _could_ be logging, because it also depends on your VA settings etc. And from Slim::Schema::Contributors you can learn this: 'ARTIST' => 1, 'COMPOSER'=> 2, 'CONDUCTOR' => 3, 'BAND'=> 4, 'ALBUMARTIST' => 5, 'TRACKARTIST' => 6, Good luck with your educated guessing :-) -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
I've tried to understand /ResultSet/contributor.pm, and the countTotal routine, but my Perl skills are way too inadequate to even know if I'm looking the the right place, let alone understand the code. I can see that attention is paid to the unified artists list (which I have set on) and to the name of the 'compilation' artist (in my case 'Various'), but what the code is actually doing I can't tell. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to 405/2 amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Also a Touch with EDO, plus spare, unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105268 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
mherger wrote: > > Now it's true that many contributors have more than one role. So if I > > just count the number of unique contributor names overall I get 3437. > > The count also depends on what you consider an artist. What are your > settings? > > -- > > Michael I've juggled with all my counts, including removing duplicates where a contributor has more than one role, and still can't get close to the number reported. I'm sure there's good sound logic behind it but what does the Artist count represent? I'd happily look at some code if I knew where to start. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to 405/2 amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Also a Touch with EDO, plus spare, unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105268 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
mherger wrote: > > Now it's true that many contributors have more than one role. So if I > > just count the number of unique contributor names overall I get 3437. > > The count also depends on what you consider an artist. What are your > settings? > > -- > > Michael If you mean which tick boxes I have set for 'Artists' on the 'My Music' tab, I include Composer, Conductor, Band/Orchestra, and have a single configurable list. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to 405/2 amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Also a Touch with EDO, plus spare, unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105268 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Count of Artists
Now it's true that many contributors have more than one role. So if I just count the number of unique contributor names overall I get 3437. The count also depends on what you consider an artist. What are your settings? -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
