Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-20 Thread Ron F.


First, allow me to apologize for my earlier post in this thread,
regarding my inability to play FLAC Interactive at all... I had
inadvertently damaged my installation of openssl, which was the cause of
that. Now fixed.

I have played with all the settings I could find in LMS and applets on
my SB Touch - to no effect. Nothing has had any effect on this issue. 

Network testing has demonstrated my LMS/SBT setup has all the bandwidth
it desires, but I cannot play RP FLAC Interactive without periodic
dropouts and restarts.

I wound up with a something however that is as good as I can make it:
Player Settings: Proxied Streaming
Server Settings: Radio Station Buffer: 30s,  Radio Station Timeout: 60s,
Server Priority: -16 High
Player Applets Installed: Firmware 7.8.0-16754, EDO, Kernel Idle Option:
enabled, Buffer Tuning: Large enabled

Some of these parameters have helped with Hi-Res streaming such as
Qobuz, but nothing made any difference with RP.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-14 Thread mrw


d6jg wrote: 
> Regular is continuous - a normal Internet Radio stream
> Interactive allows you to jump tracks - it receives RP in about 20
> minute chunks and allows you to skip tracks inside that chunk if you
> don't like it.

Thanks @philippe_44 and @d6jg for putting me on track.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-14 Thread d6jg


mrw wrote: 
> Well, both Interactive and Regular flac streams seem to be working fine
> here on Squeezeplay (on MacOS) and a Squeezebox Radio using that latest
> LMS, commit 5862496f of Nov 13. So I'm inclined to think that the
> oggflac related change to -types.conf- is not the cause of Ron F.'s
> ouch. Unless he learns otherwise.
> 
> As an aside, could someone educate me on the difference between
> Interactive & Regular ? I'm a new RP user.

Regular is continuous - a normal Internet Radio stream
Interactive allows you to jump tracks - it receives RP in about 20
minute chunks and allows you to skip tracks inside that chunk if you
don't like it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-14 Thread slartibartfast


At the moment the interactive Main, Rock and Eclectic mixes all appear
to be exactly the same stream to me. 

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk





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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-14 Thread Ron F.


mherger wrote: 
> > In the log, I am now getting messages that look like.
> > 
> > [19-11-13 21:40:57.1620]
> > Plugins::RadioParadise::MetadataProvider::_gotMetadataError (178)
> Error
> > fetching RadioParadise metadata: Connect timed out:
> 
> This could be the result of an outdated OpenSSL or IO::Socket::SSL 
> library. Make sure you're up to date on those.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Thank you for responding. This is very strange; I am running Ubuntu
18.04, and I reinstalled openssl - 1.1.1 and libio-socket-ssl-perl -
2.060. No improvement, I am stumped.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-13 Thread Michael Herger

In the log, I am now getting messages that look like.

[19-11-13 21:40:57.1620]
Plugins::RadioParadise::MetadataProvider::_gotMetadataError (178) Error
fetching RadioParadise metadata: Connect timed out:


This could be the result of an outdated OpenSSL or IO::Socket::SSL 
library. Make sure you're up to date on those.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-13 Thread Ron F.


mherger wrote: 
> > Things have changed. I don't know if this is related or not, but I
> > updated LMS to the latest commit, 5862496f..., Nov 13, and now the RP
> > FLAC Interactive streams no longer work at all. The FLAC Regular
> streams
> > play, but with zero metadata. I will have to investigate with
> Wireshark
> > to see what is happening.
> 
> Ouch... that's not good. The latest change indeed was around FLAC in Ogg
> 
> containers. I'll have to investigate - and revert if needed. Thanks for
> 
> the heads up!
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

I think the problem is with my LMS server; types.conf is not involved. I
tried several different versions of logitechmediaserver, to no
improvement.

In the log, I am now getting messages that look like.

[19-11-13 21:40:57.1620]
Plugins::RadioParadise::MetadataProvider::_gotMetadataError (178) Error
fetching RadioParadise metadata: Connect timed out: 
[19-11-13 21:40:57.1622]
Plugins::RadioParadise::MetadataProvider::_gotMetadataError (178) Error
fetching RadioParadise metadata: Connect timed out: Bad file descriptor

I have not seen anything like this. This is probably not actually
related to RP now at all, as I am getting very similar errors with
Spotty too. I have no idea what has happened or how to fix this.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-13 Thread Michael Herger

Things have changed. I don't know if this is related or not, but I
updated LMS to the latest commit, 5862496f..., Nov 13, and now the RP
FLAC Interactive streams no longer work at all. The FLAC Regular streams
play, but with zero metadata. I will have to investigate with Wireshark
to see what is happening.


I can't confirm this issue. Seems to be working perfectly fine here.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-13 Thread philippe_44


mrw wrote: 
> Well, both Interactive and Regular flac streams seem to be working fine
> here on Squeezeplay (on MacOS) and a Squeezebox Radio using that latest
> LMS, commit 5862496f of Nov 13. So I'm inclined to think that the
> oggflac related change to -types.conf- is not the cause of Ron F.'s
> ouch. Unless he learns otherwise.
> 
> As an aside, could someone educate me on the difference between
> Interactive & Regular ? I'm a new RP user.

See my post a few messages above. Regular is an infinite stream and
interactive are blocks of 20-30  mins made of 2-5 tracks. That explains
a lot in term of download process



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-13 Thread mrw


mrw wrote: 
> The latest commit, 5862496f, touches oggflac.
> https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/pull/290/commits/dafc93c559a150296a3c45af4d8619158ccbdf97
> 
> I can't see why it would impact, but as a first step, could you rule it
> out (or in) by removing the following line that it introduced into
> -types.conf-.
> 
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > # Special content type for Ogg FLAC streams (which use a different decode 
path)
  > ogf -   -   audio
  > 

> > 

Well, both Interactive and Regular flac streams seem to be working fine
here on Squeezeplay (on MacOS) and a Squeezebox Radio using that latest
LMS, commit 5862496f of Nov 13. So I'm inclined to think that the
oggflac related change to -types.conf- is not the cause of Ron F.'s
ouch. Unless he learns otherwise.

As an aside, could someone educate me on the difference between
Interactive & Regular ? I'm a new RP user.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-13 Thread mrw


Ron F. wrote: 
> OKay...
> 
> Things have changed. I don't know if this is related or not, but I
> updated LMS to the latest commit, 5862496f..., Nov 13, and now the RP
> FLAC Interactive streams no longer work at all. The FLAC Regular streams
> play, but with zero metadata. I will have to investigate with Wireshark
> to see what is happening.

The latest commit, 5862496f, touches oggflac.
https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/pull/290/commits/dafc93c559a150296a3c45af4d8619158ccbdf97

I can't see why it would impact, but as a first step, could you rule it
out (or in) by removing the following line that it introduced into
-types.conf-.


Code:


  # Special content type for Ogg FLAC streams (which use a different decode 
path)
  ogf -   -   audio
  




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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-13 Thread Michael Herger

Things have changed. I don't know if this is related or not, but I
updated LMS to the latest commit, 5862496f..., Nov 13, and now the RP
FLAC Interactive streams no longer work at all. The FLAC Regular streams
play, but with zero metadata. I will have to investigate with Wireshark
to see what is happening.


Ouch... that's not good. The latest change indeed was around FLAC in Ogg 
containers. I'll have to investigate - and revert if needed. Thanks for 
the heads up!


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-13 Thread Ron F.


OKay...

Things have changed. I don't know if this is related or not, but I
updated LMS to the latest commit, 5862496f..., Nov 13, and now the RP
FLAC Interactive streams no longer work at all. The FLAC Regular streams
play, but with zero metadata. I will have to investigate with Wireshark
to see what is happening.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-12 Thread philippe_44

The RP plugin is not involved in buffering. It simply leaves LMS do the
data transfer job, there was no reason I think to overload any low level
functions. 

In interactive streams, the audio is split into ~20 mins blocks of 2-5
tracks with a couple of announcements at the beginning or the end (maybe
in the middle, I don’t remember). The metadata describes the tracks in
the block. 

So worse case the size would be about 20 mins of  flac at around
850kbits/s.

To download the whole thing would be an important architecture change
with the need to overload low level functions like sysread and feed them
with the downloaded file made in // with series of asyncread. And of
course you need to erase the file when acquired and have a different
process when using regular stream otherwise you’ll have infinite files
(I’ve been through that with v1 of my UPnP and cast plugins)

A good amount of complications. I don’t know with @mherger thinks, this
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-12 Thread Ron F.


paul- wrote: 
> LMS uses perl IO::Socket::SSL, which then uses the system openssl for
> connections (I wonder if the perl module version makes a difference),
> however LMS is only used if you are using proxied streaming.   If the
> player supports SSL, then the players SSL is what matters.   If the
> player does not support SSL, then LMS will automatically proxy. 
> However, I'm not sure how SSL plays into this.  I was doing a test over
> the weekend, and the connections to RP were _not_ secured.  The music
> was streaming over plain HTTP.  (Both in the interactive and continuous
> stream)
> 
> When playing the continuous stream, data is fed to the player at a nice
> controlled pace from the server.  When the interactive stream is played,
> the server tries to send the whole file all at once, so the file fills
> the player and network receive buffers. I wonder what happens if you
> increase your player buffer to hold more data.

Thank you for this. I do not understand how SSL works; I have some
reading to do. From my use of Wireshark this past weekend and watching
RP FLAC packets on their way to LMS, I did not see anything related to
SSL - but I did not understand the implication of that at the time.
Playing with different releases of openssl was not going to make any
difference, and indeed - it did not.

I have tried playing with the LMS network settings in the past, and
setting "Radio Station Buffer Seconds" to it's max: 30, has not make any
difference. Enabling "Proxied Streaming" never made much if any
difference either. Does Proxied Streaming cause LMS to create an
additional buffer on the server? Regardless, if the interactive stream
is attempting to download an entire file all at once, then this sounds
like an ftp download! If every time Bill does a station announcement
represents the start of a new file, then we could be talking about a
GByte of data. Ouch - I am surprised this works as well as it does!
There are all kinds of timeouts that might occur causing this to fail,
and the RP server attempts to restart the download ... from the
beginning.

When streaming Interactive, wouldn't the RP plugin then need to offload
all this data into a temporary file? A buffer in memory big enough to
solve the issue would be impracticable. The TCP Rx buffer is going to
fill and I imagine timeout if the plugin does not read out the data and
store it somewhere. Is the LMS RP plugin relying on the network stack to
control the connection, to close the connection for instance when there
is a problem?

If LSM RP plugin is only reading sufficient data out of the network
stack to fill a 30 second buffer, then I doubt that buffer size is going
to matter if the RP server is trying to shove a file's worth of data to
LMS. It also seems likely that increasing the size of the TCP Rx Buffer
in the LMS server network stack is not going to help either. I imagine
then the only solution is that the RP plugin needs to be able to store a
LOT of data into a temporary FIFO file on the server's HDD.

While writing this, I have experienced two long delays, followed by
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-12 Thread philippe_44

paul- wrote: 
> 
> When playing the continuous stream, data is fed to the player at a nice
> controlled pace from the server.  When the interactive stream is played,
> the server tries to send the whole file all at once, so the file fills
> the player and network receive buffers. I wonder what happens if you
> increase your player buffer to hold more data.

That makes sense. The continuous is treated as a live stream so data is
produced piece by piece where the interactive are files (blocks of 2 to
5 tracks) so it can be grabbed as fast as possible. That corroborates
what I’ve seen.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-12 Thread paul-


Ron F. wrote: 
> Question: is LMS using the system's installed version of openssl, or is
> it using a copy that it brings with it?

LMS uses perl IO::Socket::SSL, which then uses the system openssl for
connections (I wonder if the perl module version makes a difference),
however LMS is only used if you are using proxied streaming.   If the
player supports SSL, then the players SSL is what matters.   If the
player does not support SSL, then LMS will automatically proxy. 
However, I'm not sure how SSL plays into this.  I was doing a test over
the weekend, and the connections to RP were _not_ secured.  The music
was streaming over plain HTTP.  (Both in the interactive and continuous
stream)

When playing the continuous stream, data is fed to the player at a nice
controlled pace from the server.  When the interactive stream is played,
the server tries to send the whole file all at once, so the file fills
the player and network receive buffers. I wonder what happens if you
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-12 Thread d6jg


You can't use this with Michael's plugin but you you can force the
regular streams to use a particular server rather than the load balancer
by replacing "stream" in the URL with "icy-X"

This from an old RP Forum post
"Wasn't aware of any issues with the load balancer. But your solution on
that is indeed correct. icy-4 and icy-5 will directly call our servers
in London, icy-6 or icy-8 in Texas, icy-7 in Virginia."

There are also icy-1, 2 & 3 but I do not know where they are

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread philippe_44

slartibartfast wrote: 
> Does anyone know why these interruptions started happening? For me the
> interactive stream seemed to play properly until a few months ago when I
> first mentioned it in this thread. It seems odd that it would suddenly
> break. Did something change?
> 
> Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

I don’t think anything changed on our side. But as said above, a few
month ago when I made these test programs, I had exactly the same
problems as soon as I introduced the ‘pause’ and these tests have no
link at all with LMS. Something might have changed on RP’s plumbing
side. So far the best would have been to avoid the pauses but I did not
find a convenient way to do that. Nothing bitrate based was reliable



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread slartibartfast


Ron F. wrote: 
> OK - thank you. My home server is running Ubuntu 18.04.3. I re-installed
> openssl-1.1.1, released last Sept 11, 2018, to no effect - the issue
> persisted. I then installed openssl-1.1.1d, the latest stable version
> released this past Sept 10, 2019 - the issue persists. I need to stream
> one of the RP FLAC Interactive streams much longer to know whether there
> is any improvement, but I have already experienced a long delay (~80
> seconds,) followed by a restart that set me back several songs again.
> 
> I suppose I could build the openssl master branch, which is going to be
> 1.1.1e when released, and try that, but I have no confidence it will
> make any difference.
> 
> Nothing I have done has ever made any difference whatsoever. If there is
> a crypto error occurring in openssl, then people smarter than me are
> going to have to deal with it.
> 
> Edit: regardless of the error, I just wish the occasional long delays
> could be eliminated - that by itself would take care of the issue for
> the most part, from a user's perspective.Does anyone know why these 
> interruptions started happening? For me the
interactive stream seemed to play properly until a few months ago when I
first mentioned it in this thread. It seems odd that it would suddenly
break. Did something change?

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread Ron F.


philippe_44 wrote: 
> AFAIK, it's using the system's openSSL

OK - thank you. My home server is running Ubuntu 18.04.3. I re-installed
openssl-1.1.1, released last Sept 11, 2018, to no effect - the issue
persisted. I then installed openssl-1.1.1d, the latest stable version
released this past Sept 10, 2019 - the issue persists. I need to stream
one of the RP FLAC Interactive streams much longer to know whether there
is any improvement, but I have already experienced a long delay (~80
seconds,) followed by a restart that set me back several songs again.

I suppose I could build the openssl master branch, which is going to be
1.1.1e when released, and try that, but I have no confidence it will
make any difference.

Nothing I have done has ever made any difference whatsoever. If there is
a crypto error occurring in openssl, then people smarter than me are
going to have to deal with it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread philippe_44


Ron F. wrote: 
> Question: is LMS using the system's installed version of openssl, or is
> it using a copy that it brings with it?

AFAIK, it's using the system's openSSL



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread Ron F.


philippe_44 wrote: 
> I can only guess at that time that the regular stream are infinite
> streams, so the HTTP server might behave differently when there is no
> content-length.
> 
> I also tried to think of a resume solution, but the way LMS and plugins
> are architectured, it seems very difficult

Question: is LMS using the system's installed version of openssl, or is
it using a copy that it brings with it?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread philippe_44


Ron F. wrote: 
> OK, but then I do not understand why this issue does not occur with the
> Regular FLAC stream, only the Interactive stream?

I can only guess at that time that the regular stream are infinite
streams, so the HTTP server might behave directly when there is no
content-length



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread Ron F.


philippe_44 wrote: 
> BTW on that topic, what I was able to establish is that the RP side
> closed the SSL session and it seems to be on a crypto error (I have to
> find my logs). It was linked to a pause made by LMS in requesting data.
> I even went all the way to write a very simple app in C and Perl getting
> the same URL from RP server and was able to demonstrate that if these
> few lines of code pause by ~5s from time to time (just sleep), then in
> most of the cases RP would end up the connection after a few pauses.
> When no "long" pause is made (say pause <5s), all downloads were
> successful. What happens as well is that with different openssl clients,
> the "long pause" effect was more or less problematic (say from 100% to
> 20% failed downloads)

OK, but then I do not understand why this issue does not occur with the
Regular FLAC stream, only the Interactive stream?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread philippe_44


Ron F. wrote: 
> Regarding the issue of the FLAC Interactive streams stopping abruptly,
> and often restarting many seconds later, and going backwards three or
> four song to play all over again...
> 
> Using Wireshark, I have seen different occurrences in which a running
> connection will be closed and the LMS RP plugin will have to initiate a
> new connection to RP:
> 1. RP server, without warning, simply ends the connection; I assume this
> might have something to do with load balancing between the various RP
> servers.
> 
> 2. RP server simply stops sending data to LMS,  leaving the client
> starved for data, LMS eventually closes the connection when this
> happens, but it can take much longer than 30 seconds before LMS starts a
> new connection.
> 
> 3. RP server sends a new HTTP /1.1 200 OK (audio/flac) packet, I do no
> understand the reason for this is, but LMS responds by closing the
> connection; I don't know if that is necessary.
> 
> 4. LMS server will send two or three [TCP Window Update] packets, over a
> period of 3 to 5 seconds, after which no further data is received from
> the RP server. I have seen as many as 80 seconds go by before the LMS
> server then sends a [FIN, ACK] packet to abruptly close the existing TCP
> connection and start over with sending a [SYN] to restart the stream.
> LMS sends a TCP packet that looks like "HTTP 394 GET
> /blocks/chan/1/4/280705-280708.flac HTTP/1.0" and we are off and running
> again - often on a different server than before. What is interesting is
> that I do then sometimes see packets received  from the old server again
> - I am not sure the old connection was terminated correctly. Question:
> is the LMS RP plugin attempting to keep multiple TCP connections open
> with RP servers?
> 
> In all of these cases the result is the same - it is the responsibility
> of LMS to initiate the new connection, and this usually takes too long
> to happen. When faced with a closure of the existing TCP connection, it
> sometimes takes LMS more than 30 seconds to start a new connection with
> a TCP [SYN] packet sent to Radio Paradise. The buffer runs out during
> this time, and the music stops. I don't know if this delay between
> connections is intentional, or a bug either in LMS or possibly the Eth
> stack?
> 
> I don't know much about load balancing, but I imagine once connected to
> a server the client should remain there for a long time? Should new
> clients be sent to the least loaded server, and then remain there? Is
> there a possibility that the RP servers are being attacked, causing some
> of these problems?
> 
> My first take on all this is that the RP stream is stopped or dies and
> restarted too frequently. Before the buffer runs out however, is it
> possible for LMS to take more aggressive action and close the existing
> dead connection, and open a new one? Certainly waiting more than a
> minute is too long. I am wondering if LMS restarted the connection
> sooner, possibly we would not go backwards several songs?
> 
> Once a new connection is established, the LMS server ACKs a bunch of
> packets individually for a short while, and then TCP windowing takes
> over ... and then after a while the problems return.
> 
> Edit: I note that I see my connection to RP being tossed about between
> three servers, when playing one of their FLAC Interactive streams. I am
> located in California, and I believe the RP servers are in Florida - I
> don't know if distance has anything to do with the issue at hand.
> 
> Edit: I am also wondering if we could get the new connection going
> sooner, we might stay on the same server used in the previous session,
> and not go backwards several songs, but continue where we left off?

BTW on that topic, what I was able to establish is that the RP side
closed the SSL session and it seems to be on a crypto error (I have to
find my logs). It was linked to a pause made by LMS in requesting data.
I even went all the way to write a very simple app in C and Perl getting
the same URL from RP server and was able to demonstrate that if these
few lines of code pause by ~5s from time to time (just sleep), then in
most of the cases RP would end up the connection after a few pauses.
When no "long" pause is made (say pause <5s), all downloads were
successful. What happens as well is that with different openssl clients,
the "long pause" effect was more or less problematic (say from 100% to
20% failed downloads)



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-11 Thread Ron F.


Regarding the issue of the FLAC Interactive streams stopping abruptly,
and often restarting many seconds later, and going backwards three or
four song to play all over again...

Using Wireshark, I have seen different occurrences in which a running
connection will be closed and the LMS RP plugin will have to initiate a
new connection to RP:
1. RP server, without warning, simply ends the connection; I assume this
might have something to do with load balancing between the various RP
servers.

2. RP server simply stops sending data to LMS,  leaving the client
starved for data, LMS eventually closes the connection when this
happens, but it can take much longer than 30 seconds before LMS starts a
new connection.

3. RP server sends a new HTTP /1.1 200 OK (audio/flac) packet, I do no
understand the reason for this is, but LMS responds by closing the
connection; I don't know if that is necessary.

4. LMS server will send two or three [TCP Window Update] packets, over a
period of 3 to 5 seconds, after which no further data is received from
the RP server. I have seen as many as 80 seconds go by before the LMS
server then sends a [FIN, ACK] packet to abruptly close the existing TCP
connection and start over with sending a [SYN] to restart the stream.
LMS sends a TCP packet that looks like "HTTP 394 GET
/blocks/chan/1/4/280705-280708.flac HTTP/1.0" and we are off and running
again - often on a different server than before. What is interesting is
that I do then sometimes see packets received  from the old server again
- I am not sure the old connection was terminated correctly. Question:
is the LMS RP plugin attempting to keep multiple TCP connections open
with RP servers?

In all of these cases the result is the same - it is the responsibility
of LMS to initiate the new connection, and this usually takes too long
to happen. When faced with a closure of the existing TCP connection, it
sometimes takes LMS more than 30 seconds to start a new connection with
a TCP [SYN] packet sent to Radio Paradise. The buffer runs out during
this time, and the music stops. I don't know if this delay between
connections is intentional, or a bug either in LMS or possibly the Eth
stack?

I don't know much about load balancing, but I imagine once connected to
a server the client should remain there for a long time? Should new
clients be sent to the least loaded server, and then remain there? Is
there a possibility that the RP servers are being attacked, causing some
of these problems?

My first take on all this is that the RP stream is stopped or dies and
restarted too frequently. Before the buffer runs out however, is it
possible for LMS to take more aggressive action and close the existing
dead connection, and open a new one? Certainly waiting more than a
minute is too long. I am wondering if LMS restarted the connection
sooner, possibly we would not go backwards several songs?

Once a new connection is established, the LMS server ACKs a bunch of
packets individually for a short while, and then TCP windowing takes
over ... and then after a while the problems return.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-10 Thread BenB


paul- wrote: 
> Anyone running pCP/squeezelite having this issue, please try to update
> openssl.

Thank you! I've got two pCP players, a Duet and several Booms and this
problem has been going on since the beginning of the FLAC streams. I
have tried most things to no avail, but upgrading openssl on the two pCP
players has solved the issue for me. (My Debian server was already on
the latest version).

Again, a huge thanks to everyone involved in keeping our systems
sounding great.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-11-01 Thread callesoroe


If you have buffering problems, try to set sound as "Streaming through
Proxy". Works perfect here.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-30 Thread Zombie


Raymond Woodward wrote: 
> Too many users - not enough  bandwidth provided by RP ...
A stampede of new listeners just when the site got "updated"? Don't
think so.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-29 Thread philippe_44


Raymond Woodward wrote: 
> Too many users - not enough  bandwidth provided by RP ...

I did a ton of analysis on that, including writing Perl scripts and C
programs to simulate the client behavior. All the logs drove me to the
conclusion that something happens at the crypto level which causes the
server to close the connection due to a crypto failure. Happens with
certain patterns of streaming (high/low water which force pauses - not
very long, just a few sec regularly, AFAIR). The very basic Perl/C which
was just doing a "GET" on the stream was able to reproduce that 100%
with the proper pausing schema and 0% with a nice "continuous" flow. It
was also less visible with certain openssl versions



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread Ron F.


Raymond Woodward wrote: 
> Too many users - not enough  bandwidth provided by RP ...

I quite using the RP FLAC Interactive streams; it is a great idea but it
simply doesn't work. I use FLAC Regular, which still hiccups
occasionally, but at least it keeps moving forward. If I don't want any
hiccups, then I use a 320 kbps stream. It isn't just RP, occasionally I
get hiccups trying to stream FLAC from Qobuz.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread Raymond Woodward


Zombie wrote: 
> The "quality of my experience" changed without me changing anything at
> all.
> This maybe started when RP changed the server or whatever and suddenly a
> song stops shortly, resumers, and the comes the long blackout and RP
> goes back to playing the previous three songs.
> Forever.
> So I take it that there is no solution or workaround.

Too many users - not enough  bandwidth provided by RP ...



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread slartibartfast


slartibartfast wrote: 
> The main mix interactive FLAC stream is behaving itself at the moment,
> 14 tracks and no hiccups.[emoji3]
> 
> Sent from my SM-G900F using TapatalkSpoken too soon, halfway through Leo 
> Kottke it suffered a rebuffering
failure and jumped back to Peter Gabriel.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread slartibartfast


The main mix interactive FLAC stream is behaving itself at the moment,
14 tracks and no hiccups.[emoji3]

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread slartibartfast


Zombie wrote: 
> What is the "interactive" and "regular" stream.Interactive allows skipping 
> tracks, regular doesn't. [image:
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread Zombie


slartibartfast wrote: 
> You can use the regular stream instead of the interactive one.
> 
> Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

What is the "interactive" and "regular" stream.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread slartibartfast


Zombie wrote: 
> The "quality of my experience" changed without me changing anything at
> all.
> This maybe started when RP changed the server or whatever and suddenly a
> song stops shortly, resumers, and the comes the long blackout and RP
> goes back to playing the previous three songs.
> Forever.
> So I take it that there is no solution or workaround.You can use the regular 
> stream instead of the interactive one.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread Zombie


The "quality of my experience" changed without me changing anything at
all.
This maybe started when RP changed the server or whatever and suddenly a
song stops shortly, resumers, and the comes the long blackout and RP
goes back to playing the previous three songs.
Forever.
So I take it that there is no solution or workaround.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-28 Thread Michael Herger

Thought the Radio Paradise hickups and revert to previous tracks would
be solved.
Is it or have I missed smth?


I believe there's never been "the issue". But the quality of your 
experience depends on many factors, including parts you and I can't 
control. There have been issues on RP's end, some in the plugin. And 
then a minor hiccup in the connection between your SB and RP's servers 
can cause a hiccup.


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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Radio Paradise hickups still ongoing, solution?

2019-10-26 Thread Zombie


Thought the Radio Paradise hickups and revert to previous tracks would
be solved.
Is it or have I missed smth?



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