Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

mcgoverg wrote: 
> Hi Paul, 
> Tried that and no yellow led. Scan failed after about 170 tracks
> scanned.
> 
> Tried again this morning and scanned 8700 of 9000 before crashing again
> no sign of yellow led.
> 
> Ran another scan looking for changed only and this ran to completion.
> 
> The library stats are slightly different from my current Windows LMS
> instance, seems to be about 100 tracks less on the pi lms.
> 
> Had a couple of crashes following the completion of the scan when I was
> looking through the log files but I’ve left it idle now for about an
> hour and no crashes.
> 
> So a step forward but still seems flaky.

Maybe a couple of days stabilisation was required.

Now have run for multiple days using a remote server, windows and also a
Linux implementation, and using PiCore only as the player.

Further experimentation today and now running 10+ hours of play using
PiCore as player and server.

I’m so pleased. Sound quality is fantastic, using usb dragonfly, and
stability is now great after difficult start. Took me a while, and with
help from members here, to get the setup correct but now it’s working so
w3ll. And in addition I’ve got the lubuntu tried and tested as a backup
server.

Both lubuntu and pi are so much quicker than Windows! 35 mins for a
total scan on 12000 tracks on those platforms versus 8 hours on Windows
10 running on 8th gen i3 intel.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

Paul Webster wrote: 
> Can you attach it to a screen (HDMI) and then see if the under-power
> indicator (yellow lightning flash) comes up around the time of failure?

Hi Paul, 
Tried that and no yellow led. Scan failed after about 170 tracks
scanned.

Tried again this morning and scanned 8700 of 9000 before crashing again
no sign of yellow led.

Ran another scan looking for changed only and this ran to completion.

The library stats are slightly different from my current Windows LMS
instance, seems to be about 100 tracks less on the pi lms.

Had a couple of crashes following the completion of the scan when I was
looking through the log files but I’ve left it idle now for about an
hour and no crashes.

So a step forward but still seems flaky.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[Paul Webster]

Can you attach it to a screen (HDMI) and then see if the under-power
indicator (yellow lightning flash) comes up around the time of failure?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

mcgoverg wrote: 
> And this

I’ve also noticed that the system is pretty unstable. If lms is
activated , even not using the system at all it will randomly reboot.
However if I stop lms the system runs happily and no crashes.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

mcgoverg wrote: 
> Managed to get screen grab of the scanner log before latest crash.

And this


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

mcgoverg wrote: 
> Unfortunately not, the pi reboots and so all logs are lost so it’s very
> difficult to get a handle on what’s going on. And the failure point is
> random so can’t localise it to a particular folder/album.

Managed to get screen grab of the scanner log before latest crash.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

Paul Webster wrote: 
> The scanner.log might have some useful information in it.

Unfortunately not, the pi reboots and so all logs are lost so it’s very
difficult to get a handle on what’s going on. And the failure point is
random so can’t localise it to a particular folder/album.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[Paul Webster]

The scanner.log might have some useful information in it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

mcgoverg wrote: 
> Woh!
> 
> Changed PSU and big improvement, reached roughly 20% of library this
> time
> 
> Total Tracks: 2,192
> Total Albums: 186
> Total Artists: 246
> Total Genres: 28
> 
> Library total is @ 12k tracks.
> 
> Now wondering if a bigger / faster card might be needed?
> 
> Also running on wireless, might try a switch to hard wire
> 
> Also, I probably should have mentioned I’m running cifs to connect to
> the qnap



Have now tried switching to hardwire and also used a much bigger card
all without any success. 

Always crashes and reboots so no logs to speak of.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

kidstypike wrote: 
> Flakey power supply?
> 
> Is there anything in the LMS server or scanner logs? LMS > Settings >
> Information tab > scroll down to bottom of page.


Woh!

Changed PSU and big improvement, reached roughly 20% of library this
time

Total Tracks: 2,192
Total Albums: 186
Total Artists: 246
Total Genres: 28

Library total is @ 12k tracks.

Now wondering if a bigger / faster card might be needed?

Also running on wireless, might try a switch to hard wire



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[kidstypike]

mcgoverg wrote: 
> Resized to use whole card. Tried scan and got only 165 tracks scanned!
> Strange. Tried again with same result.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks

Flakey power supply?

Is there anything in the LMS server or scanner logs? LMS > Settings >
Information tab > scroll down to bottom of page.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

kidstypike wrote: 
> Possibly not!
> 
> I always use 8GB cards and expand to use the whole card.


Resized to use whole card. Tried scan and got only 165 tracks scanned!
Strange. Tried again with same result.

Any ideas?

Thanks



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[kidstypike]

mcgoverg wrote: 
> I did yeah, it’s currently 500mb. Enough?

Possibly not!

I always use 8GB cards and expand to use the whole card.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

kidstypike wrote: 
> 8GB is fine. On the pCP "Main" page, there's a button to resize the file
> system, did you do this?
> 
> 30802

I did yeah, it’s currently 500mb. Enough?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[kidstypike]

mcgoverg wrote: 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> Card is 8gb, would  you suggest something larger?
> 
> Power supply a more difficult Thing to check I guess. Or are there any
> logs I could view that would detail the power consumption?
> Thanks again
> Gerry

8GB is fine. On the pCP "Main" page, there's a button to resize the file
system, did you do this?

30802


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

[mcgoverg]

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the reply.

Card is 8gb, would  you suggest something larger?

Power supply a more difficult Thing to check I guess. Or are there any
logs I could view that would detail the power consumption?
Thanks again
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Lms crashes

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About the only thing that would trigger something like that is a power
supply problem.  You may not have seen that in player only mode, but
when using LMS, the CPU usage will increase and could require more power
than you can supply it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[Michael Herger]

Same here. This resolves a similar issue I have been having with my LMS
on Windows recently.


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[bwaldron]

skind56 wrote: 
> Thanks Michael, used 7.9.3 nightly and it’s working now.
> 
> Steve

Same here. This resolves a similar issue I have been having with my LMS
on Windows recently.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[skind56]

mherger wrote: 
> I think I finally found the culprit and "fixed" (actually: disabled a 
> breaking change for Windows) it. Please give the next nightly builds for
> 
> 7.9.3 or 8.0 a try. Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Thanks Michael, used 7.9.3 nightly and it’s working now.

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

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I think I finally found the culprit and "fixed" (actually: disabled a 
breaking change for Windows) it. Please give the next nightly builds for 
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

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skind56 wrote: 
> I've uploaded the log file as requested.
> 
> I had set-up an 'artists artwork' folder and done a rescan and this
> stopped the crashing for 'Album Artists' but not for 'All Artists' and
> 'Composers'.
> 
> To get it to crash I deleted the 'artists artwork' folder, unloaded the
> 'Music and Artist Info' plugin and did a rescan to get rid of images. I
> then reloaded the 'Music and Artist Info' plugin and tried 'Album
> Artists'.
> 
> LMS is now hanging as opposed to crashing out.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> SteveIf you uncheck the "only download pictures for main artists" check box
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

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mherger wrote: 
> Could you please set logging for plugin.musicartistinfo to INFO, and 
> artwork.imageproxy to DEBUG. Then make it crash again and send me the 
> server.log.zip?
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/request/T3RctyzGgNg0oFDubq6a
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

I've uploaded the log file as requested.

I had set-up an 'artists artwork' folder and done a rescan and this
stopped the crashing for 'Album Artists' but not for 'All Artists' and
'Composers'.

To get it to crash I deleted the 'artists artwork' folder, unloaded the
'Music and Artist Info' plugin and did a rescan to get rid of images. I
then reloaded the 'Music and Artist Info' plugin and tried 'Album
Artists'.

LMS is now hanging as opposed to crashing out.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[Michael Herger]

Could you please set logging for plugin.musicartistinfo to INFO, and 
artwork.imageproxy to DEBUG. Then make it crash again and send me the 
server.log.zip?


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[Michael Herger]

Ok, I've finally been able to reproduce this issue. It happens for me 
when there is an artist without picture. Debugging now. The best I got 
so far:


(libev) select: No error

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[Michael Herger]

Update: It appears to be the 'Music and Artist Information' plugin and
the setting 'Artists photos', i.e. when setting to 'Show pictures (can
slow down browsing)' and in the browsing menu setting the 'Albumview'
option to 'Small Artwork' causes the crash.


Can you confirm it happens when you browse items which have not been 
pre-cached? I haven't been able to reproduce this yet. But there seems 
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[skind56]

Paul Webster wrote: 
> Which version of the plugin are you running?
> There was a very recent update to v1.6.10

Yes v1.6.10 updated yesterday.

I've just looked at the 'Music and Artist Information' thread and I
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

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skind56 wrote: 
> HI
> 
> Update: It appears to be the 'Music and Artist Information' plugin and
> the setting 'Artists photos', i.e. when setting to 'Show pictures (can
> slow down browsing)' and in the browsing menu setting the 'Albumview'
> option to 'Small Artwork' causes the crash. On setting to 'Text only'
> then no crash.
> 
> Sorry, also should have said this is on Windows 10.Have a look at this 
> thread. It could be the same issue.
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=961188

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[Paul Webster]

Which version of the plugin are you running?
There was a very recent update to v1.6.10



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS Crashes when I Browse the Library on my PC

[skind56]

HI

Update: It appears to be the 'Music and Artist Information' plugin and
the setting 'Artists photos', i.e. when setting to 'Show pictures (can
slow down browsing)' and in the browsing menu setting the 'Albumview'
option to 'Small Artwork' causes the crash. On setting to 'Text only'
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes very often

[caplam]

no i want to try another player on the zettaly.
but maybe the problem is not in squeeze player.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes very often

[reinholdk]

caplam wrote: 
> Yes it's for my zettaly device which is a sort of android tab with
> speakers. I rarely use it.
> 

I understood you want to replace the zettaly. If yes, my question was
why you are looking for an other android-based player. Instead you could
consider a RPi-based one. Lot of threads here about Rpi's.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes very often

[caplam]

Yes it's for my zettaly device which is a sort of android tab with
speakers. I rarely use it.
My other devices are a SQ Boom, a SQ3 and 2 sonos play1.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes very often

[reinholdk]

caplam wrote: 
> 
> Have you a suggestion of an android player compatible with lms ?

Any specific reason to look for an android-based lms player?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes very often

[caplam]

reinholdk wrote: 
> You mean the server.log fills from 0 to 2Gb within less than a day? Did
> you set some/many of the plugin log levels to DEBUG? If yes, revert them
> for being able to spot more relevant error msgs first.
Yes 2Gb in less than 24h. I only have 3 or 4 items set on debug in
logging options.
As i say just beyond i think an android squeezeplayer is responsible of
multiple connnections/disconnections. After some hours the server starts
to crash and the plugins
too.



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spotify family
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes very often

[caplam]

DJanGo wrote: 
> hi,
> 
> since i am running a debian lms for a very long time i can tell that i
> never got any real isuse with the pure lms.
> 
> take a screenshoot with all your enabled plugins remove all of them and
> add one plugin after the next until your lms hangs.
> After that disable all plugins again and check the hanging plugin alone.

My lms has been running for long years too, but for one strange reason
it started to crash few months ago.
For now i have had no crash since yesterday. I have disabled my zettaly
(android squeezeplayer) as a shairtunes player.
I think the responsible is  this player which connects and disconnects
continuously. I have to investigate more. 
Have you a suggestion of an android player compatible with lms ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes very often

[reinholdk]

caplam wrote: 
> 
> For now logs aren't very helpful. When i have a crash the server.log can
> fill up to 2Gb, not very handy.  
> Is there someone to point me in the right direction especially for
> knowing what to log?
> 

You mean the server.log fills from 0 to 2Gb within less than a day? Did
you set some/many of the plugin log levels to DEBUG? If yes, revert them
for being able to spot more relevant error msgs first.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes very often

[DJanGo]

hi,

since i am running a debian lms for a very long time i can tell that i
never got any real isuse with the pure lms.

take a screenshoot with all your enabled plugins remove all of them and
add one plugin after the next until your lms hangs.
After that disable all plugins again and check the hanging plugin alone.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes

[Michael Herger]

Would you have forwarded LMS ports to the internet in order to access it from 
outside your home?  If so, stop it. There are people out there exploiting such 
configurations. 

> Am 13.04.2017 um 18:49 schrieb ltsv38 
> :
> 
> 
> mherger wrote: 
>>> This one's coming from a 3rd party plugin. Please disable them all and
>> try again.
>> Michael
> Hi,
> I think I have found the responsible plugin: it's "Image Browser" V1.0
> But it's impossible to remove it: I can disable it in the web interface
> BUT when I update the LMS this plugin reappears and is activated :mad:
> 
> 
> 
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> server with LMS 7.9
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes

[ltsv38]

mherger wrote: 
> > This one's coming from a 3rd party plugin. Please disable them all and
> try again.
> Michael
Hi,
I think I have found the responsible plugin: it's "Image Browser" V1.0
But it's impossible to remove it: I can disable it in the web interface
BUT when I update the LMS this plugin reappears and is activated :mad:



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes

[ltsv38]

DJanGo wrote: 
> Hi,
> looks like a issue with perl...
> whats the output from perl -V
Thanks DjanGo
The issue with crashes seems to be solved even if the error message
remains (see my previous post) 

Code:

$ perl -v
  This is perl 5, version 22, subversion 2 (v5.22.2) built for 
x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
  (with 67 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail)
  Copyright 1987-2015, Larry Wall
  


Result from *perl -V* 21953
Regards


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+---+


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS crashes

[ltsv38]

mherger wrote: 
> >   [16-12-09 03:04:49.9260] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1244) Warning:
> [03:04:49.9252] $[ used in numeric lt (<) (did you mean $] ?) at
> /usr/share/squeezeboxserver/CPAN/PAR.pm line 576.
> This one's coming from a 3rd party plugin. Please disable them all and 
> try again.
> Michael

Thanks for your reply Michael.
I've disable all unused plugins ans the server do not crash again even
if I there is always the error message in the log file:

Code:

2017-01-22 16:27:31 squeezeboxserver_safe started.
  [17-01-22 16:27:35.4781] main::init (388) Starting Logitech Media Server 
(v7.9.0, 1484464959, Sun Jan 15 08:00:13 UTC 2017) perl 5.022002 - 
x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
  [17-01-22 16:27:37.2598] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1244) Warning: 
[16:27:37.2589] $[ used in numeric lt (<) (did you mean $] ?) at 
/usr/share/squeezeboxserver/CPAN/PAR.pm line 576.


The only third party plugin remaining is "WeatherTime Screensaver"
V2.2.2 from Martin Rehfeld

Regards



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