Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
emalvick wrote: > > Finally, I don't know how LMS would treat the Replay Gain tags for > albums. Do they have to be the same? I know when I rip CD's, each disk > will get its own value. I usually use MP3Tag to merge the albums > together with tags (I set track numbers of form 101, 201, etc... where > the hundreds place is disk number); I usually use the most conservative > replaygain value for the whole album (they usually aren't far off, but > not the same). I haven't had to deal with ReplayGain in that regard, > but I could see LMS looking at that and expecting it to be the same for > the whole album. It shouldn't matter, but who knows. > ' Different gain tags definitely doesn't interfere with merging. Agreed it's not obvious what to do there; I asked about this recently. I don't think the default behaviour is correct, but https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110781-album-replaygain-for-multi-disc-albums cdmackay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=24816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
BJW wrote: > Something else I've posted about in the past, is that LMS respects > leading and trailing spaces. So if u have any, in say the album artist > field, album or disc # field, etc, could be the issue, assuming the > behavior is the same. > > Also, I don't merge multidisc sets, bc I want to see one artwork per > physical disc, and also bc I set RG on a per physical disc basis. > > If u have some albums that properly merge, and some that don't, try > copying all the files for one that doesn't to a new single folder, and > see if that one works. If it does, I'm not sure tags are the issue... > > > (I also strip everything but id3v2.3 tags from mp3s, so no ape, lyrics, > v1.x, etc) Oh, I get that each person has their preference on handling albums like this. The reminder about leading and trailing spaces is huge. That is not easy to see either. On stripping everything but the id3v2.3, that isn't always as easy as it sounds. mp3's shouldn't really have ape or other tag types besides id3, so occasionally when they are there, software won't know it (usually because something has gone corrupt). Stripping some tags won't necessarily strip all you want off. The only solution in that (rare) situation is to strip ALL tags off and then put back the id3v2.3 tags onto the blank file. MP3Tag allows this through proper settings for cutting and pasting; I think I set it to copy only id3v2.3 tags then to delete all tags: (1) copy tags - puts 2.3 tags in clipboard, (2) delete all tags - basically strips the full header for metadata, (3) paste tags - puts the 2.3 tags that are in the clipboard back. I recommend having backups prior to starting this because accidents can happen, and between (2) and (3) you are left with an untagged file. I'll note again, this is a rare situation, but when you feel like you've covered almost every possibility without success, it may be one that works. emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
Something else I've posted about in the past, is that LMS respects leading and trailing spaces. So if u have any, in say the album artist field, disc field, etc, could be the issue, assuming the behavior is the same. Also, I don't merge multidisc sets, bc I want to see one artwork per physical disc, and also bc I set RG on a per physical disc basis. If u have some albums that properly merge, and some that don't, try copying all the files for one that doesn't to a new single folder, and see if that one works. If it does, I'm not sure tags are the issue... (I also strip everything but id3v2.3 tags from mp3s, so no ape, lyrics, v1.x, etc) using: win7 64 + lms 7.9 & duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/various_artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/compilations BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
Some one else noted this, but having both ID3v1 and v2 can be a problem if for some reason they get out of sync. LMS will read v1 first (if it is there) but most taggers might only show v2 unless v2 is removed. I've had to really dig in at times. A problem I've also had is capitalization. For instance, I've had where one album is " a " and another file had " A " That ended up as two albums. It was amazing how I spend a day or two trying to find that. Finally, I don't know how LMS would treat the Replay Gain tags for albums. Do they have to be the same? I know when I rip CD's, each disk will get its own value. I usually use MP3Tag to merge the albums together with tags (I set track numbers of form 101, 201, etc... where the hundreds place is disk number); I usually use the most conservative replaygain value for the whole album (they usually aren't far off, but not the same). I haven't had to deal with ReplayGain in that regard, but I could see LMS looking at that and expecting it to be the same for the whole album. It shouldn't matter, but who knows. ' emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
garym wrote: > Emphasizing his point: Doing a full clear and rescan is -*critical*- > after the tagging changes.A quicker way is to move the changed files > elsewhere, do a "new and changed" scan, replace the files and do another "new and changed" scan. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
d6jg wrote: > I also agree that it will be a tagging issue but when these things occur > you also need to do a full clear and rescan. Update scans will often > produce odd results. Emphasizing his point: Doing a full clear and rescan is -*critical*- after the tagging changes. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
T-bird wrote: > Agree with Garym, it must be a tagging problem > Things to check for: > Make sure there is only one tag version in the files, if you use mp3 it > can have both id3v1 and id3v2, think LMS gonna use v1 if present. > Make sure Album name is exactly the same, if it has a space at the end > it's hard to see > > In the screen shot you see an example from mp3tag how I tagged an album > with 3 discs > > 28802 I also agree that it will be a tagging issue but when these things occur you also need to do a full clear and rescan. Update scans will often produce odd results. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
Agree with Garym, it must be a tagging problem Things to check for: Make sure there is only one tag version in the files, if you use mp3 it can have both id3v1 and id3v2, think LMS gonna use v1 if present. Make sure Album name is exactly the same, if it has a space at the end it's hard to see In the screen shot you see an example from mp3tag how I tagged an album with 3 discs 28802 +---+ |Filename: Skärmklipp.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28802| +---+ 1 x Touch 1 x Radio Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 0026.1567524015 @ Wed Sep 4 12:28:40 CEST 2019 Castbridge with 2 x Harman Kardon Citation One, setup as a stereo pair Squeeze Ctrl Squeeze Player Phone: Samsung Galaxy Note 8 T-bird's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38434 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
garym wrote: > in my case when Ive had this problem it was always caused by a subset > of files having a single tag field that was different. The hard part is > that it may not be a field you even use. mp3tag program is useful for > opening all files, selecting show extended tags, then you can see any > differences. Another approach is to simply strip out all the tags and > retag. Mp3tag can help there too. And it does almost every codec. I usually work with the aimp advanced tag editor, but since I tried to get into the bottom of this problem I tried to check also mp3tag. It's not that. I'm still looking for a solution... Dave1992's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69625 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
Dave1992 wrote: > Thank you all. > Unfortunately, I tried everything already, without any success. > I mean, I tried moving files into one directory and I know that can > solve the issue easily, but since I can see on my system that in some > cases it is not needed, and the LMS knows to take files from different > subdirectories and merge them, I wanted to know all the roles in order > to understand what appears to be inconsistent. > > Yes, I know about the compilation tag = 0 or 1, and I know that the > album name and main artist have got to be exactly the same in all files. > > For little more details: > I have an album with 3 CDs. The most I could get is that the LMS > recognizes that the first track from the 2nd album is part of the > compilation, and is the sequence of the 1st CD, but other than that it > shows the rest 2nd CD for it own and the 3rd one as well. > I've had so many tries with the tags and locked online for any > documentation regarding this issue. To this moment the only thing that > could work it out is to redo the directories and put all the files in > one directory. in my case when Ive had this problem it was always caused by a subset of files having a single tag field that was different. The hard part is that it may not be a field you even use. mp3tag program is useful for opening all files, selecting show extended tags, then you can see any differences. Another approach is to simply strip out all the tags and retag. Mp3tag can help there too. And it does almost every codec. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
Thank you all. Unfortunately, I tried everything already, without any success. I mean, I tried moving files into one directory and I know that can solve the issue easily, but since I can see on my system that in some cases it is not needed, and the LMS knows to take files from different subdirectories and merge them, I wanted to know all the roles in order to understand what appears to be inconsistent. Yes, I know about the compilation tag = 0 or 1, and I know that the album name and main artist have got to be exactly the same in all files. For little more details: I have an album with 3 CDs. The most I could get is that the LMS recognizes that the first track from the 2nd album is part of the compilation, and is the sequence of the 1st CD, but other than that it shows the rest 2nd CD for it own and the 3rd one as well. I've had so many tries with the tags and locked online for any documentation regarding this issue. To this moment the only thing that could work it out is to redo the directories and put all the files in one directory. Dave1992's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69625 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
BJW wrote: > > Personally I avoid all this by always keeping all tracks on a given disc > in one folder. No more, no less. I never need comp=0 tags as a result. I do the same. And thus don't use comp=0. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
Links in my sig cover this, and discuss when comp=0 tags are needed. Personally I avoid all this by always keeping all tracks on a given disc in one folder. No more, no less. I never need comp=0 tags as a result. using: win7 64 + lms 7.9 & duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/various_artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/compilations BJW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58242 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
cdmackay wrote: > One more point I remember: some of the track-level tags are important > too, e.g. if you have a track with a different artist, that can mess up > the merging, too. I've had that with some bonus tracks that have artist > "blah feat. blah2" etc. definitely, unless one has COMPILATION = 1 and/or ALBUMARTIST set to same value for all tracks. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
One more point I remember: some of the track-level tags are important too, e.g. if you have a track with a different artist, that can mess up the merging, too. I've had that with some bonus tracks that have artist "blah feat. blah2" etc. If all else fails, post the two sets of tags here, and someone should be able to spot the culprit. cdmackay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=24816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
I use dbPoweramp to rip. I have set it up to make all track file names also contain the discnumber e.g. 1 - 01 Track.flac and include discnumber in the tags and place all files in Artist / Album structure. This works for me. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
I'm not sure if this is still an issue: If you have a disc with x tracks and you change (or just re-save) n tracks while not preserving the files' timestamps and you run "Look for new and changed media files", you would get two discs: One with x-n tracks and one with n tracks. Clear "library and rescan everything" resolved this. But maybe this is fixed and/or OS-dependent and/or just a feature of my setup. QLMS 7.9.2@2.04 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.28 dedicated to me. :D / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
Agree. My multidisc CDs are created with a parent directory for the album and subdirectories for each disk (Disc 1, Disc 2, etc.). I've found that multidisk CDs get merged as one so long as ALL album-level tags are identical, except for discnumber or comment. There may be other tag fields that don't matter in grouping too. I've certainly seen situations where LMS has separated some of my multidiscs into multiple albums, but typically found something like totaldiscs tag being different as the culprit. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] What are the rules for LMS for merging albums from different subdirectories?
I rip to FLAC+CUE, and split multi-CD albums into separate directories, one per CD, and I want LMS to merge them into a single album, which it does most of the time. When it doesn't it's generally because something is different about one of the CDs tags. i.e. LMS will merge them as long as the main elements are the same. Recently, I've had Volumes of a large series that has around 10 CDs per volume. Sometimes LMS will show me two albums, one with 9 CDs and a similar one with only 1 CD. On closer examination of the tags I can generally find the thing in that single CD's tag that is stopping it being merged with the others, and change it. I also use DISCNUMBER & DISCTOTAL/TOTALDISCS tags Not sure if any of the above helps :) cdmackay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=24816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111326 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
