Re: Sectional Track
Hi Susan, Thank you for the links, the info on "Jubilee" track, and the tip about "%20". It has been stated that the WWI battles that concluded with the battle for the Marne were the last warfare based on infantry maneuver. Trench warfare followed, supported by trains and portable track. One can imagine the arguments that raged between infantry and engineering over when, where, and how trench lines could be advanced or extended. Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, I believe that this may well be ex. War Department Jubilee track as used for the trench railways in Northern France in the latter part of the First World War. Surprised to find a great photo of sectional railroad track, including a stack of 4 curved sections. The gauge appears to be 24 inches (or maybe it's 60 cm). The location is a steamship coaling depot in Papeete, Tahiti about 1918. Here's a link to the photo that I posted over at mylargescale.com: http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/SteveShyvers\Track Photos\Papeete Coal.jpg I had to add a "%20" to the above i.e. ...\Track%20Photos\... to get the link to work. The photo shows sections of track and four modular switches that fan out to a 10-foot high or so coal heap. If ever you needed to see a prototype for tinplate sectional track this is it. In fact the track is contemporaneous with tinplate. An interesting detail is that the switch points are articulated and are not stub-style. These were high tech switches. "Jubilee" track was designed to be carried and laid by hand. Apparently the track was used to transfer the coal to a pier next to a docked ship, or maybe to a lighter. It looks like the coal was hand-shoveled into wicker baskets about 24" tall. Four of these baskets were placed on a tiny 4-wheel flat car. Because there is no evidence of power equipment for handling the coal I will assume that the flat cars were moved by hand. In France they used to run stonking big Alco and Baldwin 2-6-2 and 4-6-0 locomotives on this stuff! http://www.narrow-gauge-pleasure.co.uk/aboutngr.html and this site has some pics of an Alco 2-6-2 in War Department colours: http://home.iae.nl/users/summer/16mmngm/Pics_htms/FRoissyDompierre.htm ... and yes, I have copies of both the Baldwin 2-6-2 and 2-4-0 locomotive erection drawings. These are inside frame locomotives, whilst the Alco 2-6-2 (as per Ffestiniog Railway's Mountaineer) is an outside frame loco. http://www.festrail.co.uk/the_alco_in_war_dept__grey_livery.htm When I have time I hope to build one - although perhaps not for 60cm gauge! Best wishes, Susan.
Re: Sectional Track
PS the Everglades logging was standard gauge 4' 8 1/2". Some of the flats were sent to mills in N. Florida and even up to Yankee land. Lunkenheimer
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Up until the time that there were no more cypress and pine trees left in the everglades, virtually all logging used sectional track. If you look at old aerial photographs of the everglades, you see what would look like "bird feathers" in the swamp. A branch line like the quill of the feather) was laid through the center of a stand of trees. Radials would be laid out from each side (of the quill) so that the trees could be cut and then drug to the just laid lines to be loaded on flats. Once those trees were cut and loaded, the track sections were picked up and loaded on flats and the next line would be laid and the timber cut. For the most part, the cranes were rather rickety home built jobbers working on wood fired boilers. They were usually not self propelled, but were shunted in and out with 2-6-2 Prairie locomotives. I happened to acquire the bell from one of those Prairie log loco's - it's one of three bells and close to 27 whistles I've managed to acquire. Keep your steam up! Mr. Lunkenheimer's associate Walt
Re: Sectional Track
Hi Steve, I believe that this may well be ex. War Department Jubilee track as used for the trench railways in Northern France in the latter part of the First World War. Surprised to find a great photo of sectional railroad track, including a stack of 4 curved sections. The gauge appears to be 24 inches (or maybe it's 60 cm). The location is a steamship coaling depot in Papeete, Tahiti about 1918. Here's a link to the photo that I posted over at mylargescale.com: http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/SteveShyvers\Track Photos\Papeete Coal.jpg I had to add a "%20" to the above i.e. ...\Track%20Photos\... to get the link to work. The photo shows sections of track and four modular switches that fan out to a 10-foot high or so coal heap. If ever you needed to see a prototype for tinplate sectional track this is it. In fact the track is contemporaneous with tinplate. An interesting detail is that the switch points are articulated and are not stub-style. These were high tech switches. "Jubilee" track was designed to be carried and laid by hand. Apparently the track was used to transfer the coal to a pier next to a docked ship, or maybe to a lighter. It looks like the coal was hand-shoveled into wicker baskets about 24" tall. Four of these baskets were placed on a tiny 4-wheel flat car. Because there is no evidence of power equipment for handling the coal I will assume that the flat cars were moved by hand. In France they used to run stonking big Alco and Baldwin 2-6-2 and 4-6-0 locomotives on this stuff! http://www.narrow-gauge-pleasure.co.uk/aboutngr.html and this site has some pics of an Alco 2-6-2 in War Department colours: http://home.iae.nl/users/summer/16mmngm/Pics_htms/FRoissyDompierre.htm ... and yes, I have copies of both the Baldwin 2-6-2 and 2-4-0 locomotive erection drawings. These are inside frame locomotives, whilst the Alco 2-6-2 (as per Ffestiniog Railway's Mountaineer) is an outside frame loco. http://www.festrail.co.uk/the_alco_in_war_dept__grey_livery.htm When I have time I hope to build one - although perhaps not for 60cm gauge! Best wishes, Susan.
RE: Sectional Track
I have also seen this in standard Gauge when the Norfolk Southern was preparing to replace the track at a local grade crossing. There were sections on rail spiked to ties, ready to be put into place stacked in the right of way. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera, and they replaced all three crossings in one work day, so I missed the installation too! Terry Griner Columbus Ohio USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sectional Track The two-foot gauge railroad used to harvest sugar cane on the Grove Farm Plantation on the Hawaiian island of Kauai also used sectional track, moved from field to field as different parts of the plantation were harvested. Grove Farm still maintains some of their steam locos (both US and European-built) in running condition, although they only have a few hundred feet of track remaining. Steve Shyvers wrote: > Surprised to find a great photo of sectional railroad track, including > a stack of 4 curved sections. The gauge appears to be 24 inches (or > maybe it's 60 cm). The location is a steamship coaling depot in Papeete, > Tahiti about 1918. > > Here's a link to the photo that I posted over at mylargescale.com: > http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/SteveShyvers\Track Photos\Papeete Coal.jpg > > The photo shows sections of track and four modular switches that fan out > to a 10-foot high or so coal heap. If ever you needed to see a prototype > for tinplate sectional track this is it. In fact the track is > contemporaneous with tinplate. An interesting detail is that the switch > points are articulated and are not stub-style. These were high tech > switches. > > Apparently the track was used to transfer the coal to a pier next to a > docked ship, or maybe to a lighter. It looks like the coal was > hand-shoveled into wicker baskets about 24" tall. Four of these baskets > were placed on a tiny 4-wheel flat car. Because there is no evidence of > power equipment for handling the coal I will assume that the flat cars > were moved by hand. > > The photo is in Captain L.R.W. Beavis' wonderful autobiography 'Passage: > >> From Sail to Steam'. > > The book is full of superb photos of sailing ships, many of which were > taken by Captain Beavis. He may have taken the photo in Papeete. All the > photos are from his private collection. > > Steve > > > > "This e-mail is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain privileged, sensitive, or protected health information. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that any unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender via telephone or return e-mail and immediately delete this e-mail."
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The two-foot gauge railroad used to harvest sugar cane on the Grove Farm Plantation on the Hawaiian island of Kauai also used sectional track, moved from field to field as different parts of the plantation were harvested. Grove Farm still maintains some of their steam locos (both US and European-built) in running condition, although they only have a few hundred feet of track remaining. Steve Shyvers wrote: Surprised to find a great photo of sectional railroad track, including a stack of 4 curved sections. The gauge appears to be 24 inches (or maybe it's 60 cm). The location is a steamship coaling depot in Papeete, Tahiti about 1918. Here's a link to the photo that I posted over at mylargescale.com: http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/SteveShyvers\Track Photos\Papeete Coal.jpg The photo shows sections of track and four modular switches that fan out to a 10-foot high or so coal heap. If ever you needed to see a prototype for tinplate sectional track this is it. In fact the track is contemporaneous with tinplate. An interesting detail is that the switch points are articulated and are not stub-style. These were high tech switches. Apparently the track was used to transfer the coal to a pier next to a docked ship, or maybe to a lighter. It looks like the coal was hand-shoveled into wicker baskets about 24" tall. Four of these baskets were placed on a tiny 4-wheel flat car. Because there is no evidence of power equipment for handling the coal I will assume that the flat cars were moved by hand. The photo is in Captain L.R.W. Beavis' wonderful autobiography 'Passage: From Sail to Steam'. The book is full of superb photos of sailing ships, many of which were taken by Captain Beavis. He may have taken the photo in Papeete. All the photos are from his private collection. Steve
