Re: Re[2]: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320
On 23/8/04 9:12 pm, "Bert & Edmunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave. > > A friend and myself both run Accucraft C-16s among others. we both > have the same RC unit. my engine runs well Manfreds does not. We > swapped various parts to try to find the reason. I dropped to a cheap > 27Mhz rc. my loco still performed well. The other one using my radio > did not. I feel it has not so much to do with the radio gear as with > the individual loco. I am convinced that cheap glitching is less > annoying than expensive glitching. (Do you always get what you pay > for?) We are now looking for a reason which is probably much less > complicated than we think and probably the tea lady has better > chances of solving the problem than we have. After all she knows > nothing about radio gear. We have also found that often models play > up at the same spot. If we have two weak radios they only play up at > distinct points.stronger instalations have no problems. We have > almost written it off as whitchcraft. Does one of you use rechargables instead of dry batteries? Other than a locomotive supplied with them on purchase I always use cheap dry batteries which can make a significant difference. -- Tag Gorton Editor Garden Rail Atlantic Publishers http://www.atlanticpublishers.com/GR.html Editor 16mm Today http://www.16mmngmodellers.org.uk/
Re: glitching and investment
Thanks Vance, Well said! -and not clumsily!! I must admit that I love the fiddling despite my clumsility! If a new engine or kit performs perfectly, I feel cheated! Is that why I like Aster?? There I go! Geoff. Let us all try and be helpful in this hobby and not PICK, PICK!! >> It gets us nowhere ... > >Geoff, that rarely stops most of us... > >> ... and makes me madder than hell! > >... but this will stop me in my tracks immediately! > >You're absolutely right that Aster have earned our highest respect for >their contributions >to the hobby. (Though, as a 1:20 fan, I might grouse a little about them >only producing >one loco in my scale over the course of 30 years.) > >My point, alas clumsily made, was just that even an Aster requires some >fiddling when >new. I guess that's just the nature of what is one of the few hand-built >products you can >still buy. We should celebrate that fact, rather than complaining that >they still have >some human qualities left in them! > > >-vance- > >If you were here, we'd be running trains by now. > >
Re: glitching and investment
> Let us all try and be helpful in this hobby and not PICK, PICK!! > It gets us nowhere ... Geoff, that rarely stops most of us... > ... and makes me madder than hell! ... but this will stop me in my tracks immediately! You're absolutely right that Aster have earned our highest respect for their contributions to the hobby. (Though, as a 1:20 fan, I might grouse a little about them only producing one loco in my scale over the course of 30 years.) My point, alas clumsily made, was just that even an Aster requires some fiddling when new. I guess that's just the nature of what is one of the few hand-built products you can still buy. We should celebrate that fact, rather than complaining that they still have some human qualities left in them! -vance- If you were here, we'd be running trains by now.
RE: Re[2]: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320
On this side of the Atlantic we call it Black Magic, the guys who can solve it call it a Black Art. Might try moving everything except the servos to the tender or a following freight or passenger car. Distance from the moving parts can help considerably. I have gained my experience from flying electric R/C planes, which the glitching can be the death of a model. Steve We have almost written it off as whitchcraft. Bert in the Austrian (bewitched?) Alps. - Bert & Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: glitching and investment
Vance, You can't convince me on that!! I think Aster are the best in the 1/32 scale. An alcohol or coal fired loco always needs a little more fiddling with the required fan and blower as opposed to butane fired locos. Why do some hobbyists always like to make cracks against Aster--they have done a GREAT job for the hobby over many years and Accucraft is attempting to follow their example and that is good too. Let us all try and be helpful in this hobby and not PICK, PICK!! It gets us nowhere and makes me madder than hell! Geoff. > >This is a pearl of wisdom. Yet the people who buy Asters seem to have to >fiddle with >them as much as (or more than?) the Accucraft owners to get a new >locomotive running >smoothly. Who got the value for their money, I wonder? > > >-vance- > >If you were here, we'd be running trains by now. > >
Re: glitching and investment
> I am convinced that cheap glitching is less annoying than expensive glitching. This is a pearl of wisdom. Yet the people who buy Asters seem to have to fiddle with them as much as (or more than?) the Accucraft owners to get a new locomotive running smoothly. Who got the value for their money, I wonder? -vance- If you were here, we'd be running trains by now.
Re[2]: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320
Dave. A friend and myself both run Accucraft C-16s among others. we both have the same RC unit. my engine runs well Manfreds does not. We swapped various parts to try to find the reason. I dropped to a cheap 27Mhz rc. my loco still performed well. The other one using my radio did not. I feel it has not so much to do with the radio gear as with the individual loco. I am convinced that cheap glitching is less annoying than expensive glitching. (Do you always get what you pay for?) We are now looking for a reason which is probably much less complicated than we think and probably the tea lady has better chances of solving the problem than we have. After all she knows nothing about radio gear. We have also found that often models play up at the same spot. If we have two weak radios they only play up at distinct points.stronger instalations have no problems. We have almost written it off as whitchcraft. Bert in the Austrian (bewitched?) Alps. - Bert & Edmunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to continue running my engine manually, or wait for my friend to complete his high tech based digital R/C system... Henner, There is a system available from RCS (_http://www.rcs-rc.com_ (http://www.rcs-rc.com) ) that is digital and glitch-free. RCS' owner, Tony Walsham, insists that it won't ever allow glitching. I've heard from a few folks who use it that it works as advertised. Pete I have been using Tony Walsham's RCS for about four years in the following engines. (2) K-27's (2) C-21's (1) C-16 (1) shay All accucraft and they do NOT glitch. You get what you pay for. Dave PFRR
Re: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320
Tag confessed:- > The controller is so small that I was > working mine from my pocket just to show off! This did however draw the > suggestion that it would not be a good idea to do it this way at mixed > gender meetings.:-) Yes, we have the occasional RCS pocket billiard player at our meetings (:>) Mike
Re: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320
On 23/8/04 4:26 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have to continue running my engine manually, or wait for my >> friend to complete his high tech based digital R/C system... > > Henner, > > There is a system available from RCS (_http://www.rcs-rc.com_ > (http://www.rcs-rc.com) ) that is digital and glitch-free. RCS' owner, Tony > Walsham, > insists that it won't ever allow glitching. I've heard from a few folks who > use it > that it works as advertised. I should like to second this recommendation - ideal for really serious glitching probs - also if you have room for a small speaker you can add digital sound effects such as a bell. The controller is so small that I was working mine from my pocket just to show off! This did however draw the suggestion that it would not be a good idea to do it this way at mixed gender meetings.:-) -- Tag Gorton Editor Garden Rail Atlantic Publishers http://www.atlanticpublishers.com/GR.html Editor 16mm Today http://www.16mmngmodellers.org.uk/
Re: sslivesteam2-Digest - Number 320
> I have to continue running my engine manually, or wait for my > friend to complete his high tech based digital R/C system... Henner, There is a system available from RCS (_http://www.rcs-rc.com_ (http://www.rcs-rc.com) ) that is digital and glitch-free. RCS' owner, Tony Walsham, insists that it won't ever allow glitching. I've heard from a few folks who use it that it works as advertised. Pete
Re: More glitching
In a message dated 8/22/2004 6:32:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I talked to the guys at the local r/c shop, who sell mostly planes and >cars, when I was buying servos for my first conversion. They told >me about metal-to-metal glitching - apparently, any metal contacts >that are loose (think of your loco-tender coupler, side rods, wheel >bearings, or the truck pivots,) cause glitching and worsen >performance. >While at the store, note that most servo connection parts are nylon >or similar plastic. No metal. Trains are obviously a hopeless case in >terms of eradicating random metal-to-metal contacts! I tested the radio system with the engine stopped and everything was fine. As soon as I touched one of the metal parts with a scew driver or moved the engine, all hell broke loose: The servo tried to twist itself out of its bracket ! Obviously my locomotive is the worst case scenario. The frame and superstructure are mainly wood with the engine exposed in the middle. So all the moving and rubbing metal parts are completely unshielded. On a "normal" live steamer the bulk of the locomotive like boiler, cab, running board are "static" and seem to shield the moving parts. Anyway, I tried several of the tricks mentioned in the glitching thread, but nothing worked. I even tried to ground the receiver to the steam engine/boiler... Bottom line: 19th century mechanical designs and 20th century radio control don't match. I have to continue running my engine manually, or wait for my friend to complete his high tech based digital R/C system... Henner All is not lost with conventional R/C. My brother and I run 4 R/C Live Steamers using FM, 75 mhz radios. My RH Fowler and my brothers Accucraft C-16 are both 2 channel using the glitch buster from Sulpher Springs, set on the max setting. They both run very well. We each also have single channel R/C setups in Bantams, which run quite well. However, glitching in our area appears to be environmental, time of day related. In the earlier part of the morning is the least glitching. That's when we run most often. The best antenna we have found is the 75mhz "Black Kat" antenna from Azarr at www.ecubedrc.com, at a cost of $10.00 US. In discussions with Azarr, he also told me to shorten the transmitter antenna while standing near the loco because the receiver can get overloaded. That seems to work. We also run a number of onboard battery, R/C, sound equipped electric powered locos and railbusses with chokes on the motors to reduce noise. But that's another story. So R/C does work, but not without some effort. R/C is essential for us because we run on the ground and my railway has grades up to 8%. So we have to control at least the throttle on our locos. Hope this info helps. Earl Martin
