Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
Nice piece of work, Lee. The CS Mogul is indeed Walschaert's Gear, but simplified in that there is no combination lever, hence "notching-up" is not possible. Aster much earlier fitted the "Schools" and "King Arthur" locos with another but different variation. Stephenson Gear was fitted to many locos as an outside gear, particularly early Victorians of different nations, and as recent as British Rail. Peter Trounce, Toronto.
RE: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
Thanx for the comment. Do you have any illustrations of an outside Stephenson's? I guess my speculation on that issue was off base. I would have thought it to be a nightmare to try to implement. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Trounce Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 4:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) Nice piece of work, Lee. The CS Mogul is indeed Walschaert's Gear, but simplified in that there is no combination lever, hence "notching-up" is not possible. Aster much earlier fitted the "Schools" and "King Arthur" locos with another but different variation. Stephenson Gear was fitted to many locos as an outside gear, particularly early Victorians of different nations, and as recent as British Rail. Peter Trounce, Toronto.
Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
Lee, Attach site of #44767 "George Stephenson" with the outside gear. I'll see if I can find something better for you, Peter. http://www.freefoto.com/pictures/transport_rail_steam/nymr/index.asp?i=6 -- From: Lee Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 1:56 PM Thanx for the comment. Do you have any illustrations of an outside Stephenson's? I guess my speculation on that issue was off base. I would have thought it to be a nightmare to try to implement. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Trounce Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 4:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) Nice piece of work, Lee. The CS Mogul is indeed Walschaert's Gear, but simplified in that there is no combination lever, hence "notching-up" is not possible. Aster much earlier fitted the "Schools" and "King Arthur" locos with another but different variation. Stephenson Gear was fitted to many locos as an outside gear, particularly early Victorians of different nations, and as recent as British Rail. Peter Trounce, Toronto.
Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
Lee, I'll scan a couple of pix and send them to you. Can't send them via List, alas, Peter. -- From: Lee Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 1:56 PM Thanx for the comment. Do you have any illustrations of an outside Stephenson's? I guess my speculation on that issue was off base. I would have thought it to be a nightmare to try to implement. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Trounce Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 4:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) Nice piece of work, Lee. The CS Mogul is indeed Walschaert's Gear, but simplified in that there is no combination lever, hence "notching-up" is not possible. Aster much earlier fitted the "Schools" and "King Arthur" locos with another but different variation. Stephenson Gear was fitted to many locos as an outside gear, particularly early Victorians of different nations, and as recent as British Rail. Peter Trounce, Toronto.
Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
At 1:03 PM -0800 2/3/00, Peter Trounce wrote: http://www.freefoto.com/pictures/transport_rail_steam/nymr/index.asp?i=6 In the weirdness of life, I looked at the caption on this picture and it said: Photographer: :Ian Britton Camera:Pentax Film:Fuji Scanner:Epson Ian Britton is the brother of a guy I work with in my "real" life. Train nuts are everywhere. Best o' luck. --- Dave Cole mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://dmcole.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
Thank you Peter! Nice resource. I'll be updating the "LINKS" page on my site in the next day or so and I'm going to include the URL to the "Steam-Rail" index of that site. That's a new one for me I haven't seen before. Lee P.S. By all means, I appreciate any scans you have on the topic, and thanx in advance. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Trounce Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 11:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) Lee, Attach site of #44767 "George Stephenson" with the outside gear. I'll see if I can find something better for you, Peter. http://www.freefoto.com/pictures/transport_rail_steam/nymr/index.asp?i=6 -- From: Lee Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 1:56 PM Thanx for the comment. Do you have any illustrations of an outside Stephenson's? I guess my speculation on that issue was off base. I would have thought it to be a nightmare to try to implement. Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Trounce Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 4:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) Nice piece of work, Lee. The CS Mogul is indeed Walschaert's Gear, but simplified in that there is no combination lever, hence "notching-up" is not possible. Aster much earlier fitted the "Schools" and "King Arthur" locos with another but different variation. Stephenson Gear was fitted to many locos as an outside gear, particularly early Victorians of different nations, and as recent as British Rail. Peter Trounce, Toronto.
RE: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
This goes to the issue. I FINALLY have my Walschaert/Aster CS Mogul treatise on my web server which uses Greenly and others as source material. In test mode only! You can't get to it from my web pages but you can see it at http://www.hopwood-hill.com/mpcs/WVGH.htm (Take the link EXACTLY since CASE is important for now.) I have actual scans from one of Greenly's books as well as scans of the original Walschaert Patent drawings from a source printed in 1908. (Swingle). I still have some problems with the page for now... It's ONLY compatible with Internet Explorer 4.0 and above. and... Because the scans of the old drawings require HIGH RESOLUTION imaging to render properly, I'm trying to find a better approach to how long the images themselves take to load. (The text loads quickly...whoopie!) I'm trying several approaches to get the images down to manageable .jpg types but it still proves a problem. If you get a chance, take a look and tell me how it looks to you. (Remember I'm still working on it. As a treatise, it's finished. As a web page, it's a "toughie".) I think the folks who have done Live Steam modeling for a while will appreciate the old drawings. If you are really patient! Enjoy, Lee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 12:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly) I haven't seen mention, yet of the fine books by Henry Greenly. His books on Modelmaking invariably include some plans for No. 1 gauge spirit fired live steam models , both locomotive and stationary. He designed some of Bassett-Lowke's "O" gage steamers, and No.1 gauge all the way up to the 15" gauge Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Rwy. Whish is still running a a real common carrier. Also check your library for back issues of the ModelMaker Magazine published in NYC from the early 1920's through the 1940's. LBSC published several construction articles. Lindsay Technical books have reprints of Raymond Yates books on modelmaking also. While not detailed enough to build a whole model, they contain some good ideas. Keith Taylor
Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
Lee Hill wrote on 2-2-2000: I FINALLY have my Walschaert/Aster CS Mogul treatise on my web server which uses Greenly and others as source material. In test mode only! You can't get to it from my web pages but you can see it at http://www.hopwood-hill.com/mpcs/WVGH.htm (Take the link EXACTLY since CASE is important for now.) Lee, Very nicely done and professional looking with references and all. By the time I read down to the pictures they were there, so no problems with slow loading. I'm using IE-4.0 browser. Pat Darby Covington, LA
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Mitch: A good treatise on the machine work required for small scale loco's is "A Beginner's Guide To Model Steam Locomotives" by Tim Coles. This is a British book published by Tee Publishing. It's been out about 15 years with a reprint or two. Try www.fotec.co.uk/mehs/tee/index.html. It's aimed mostly at the 3.5" -5" gauge but most everything is applicable to our needs. I don't know of any video's aimed specifically at building a loco but Bob Paule @ Sulpher Springs Steam Models was selling beginner milling and lathe tapes at Diamondhead. Hope this helps. Jim Curry
Re: Books magazines ( Henry Greenly)
In a message dated 2/1/2000 2:41:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lindsay Technical books have reprints of Raymond Yates books on modelmaking also. While not detailed enough to build a whole model, they contain some good ideas. Not true, the first steam engine that I ever built was the slide crank engine,Speedy, from this book. I entered it in the Sherline contest many years ago and placed in the top ten for votes. It was great encouragement then and it runs like a champ. Here is a picture: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/6985/spdy1.jpg Bob Starr
Books magazines
Next novice question: What books / magazines are there out there for those uninitiated into the mysteries of live steam? Good starter books / videos? Best magazines to keep up to date with the hobby? Books / videos for the advanced practicer of steam locomotion? Books / mags / videos on the art of construction? etc.? Thnaks, Mitch Nearhood
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Mitch Nearhood: Here's are the magazines I take: *Steam in the Garden magazine (http://www.steamup.com/). *Live Steam magazine (http://www.villagepress.com/livesteam/). *Garden Railways magazine (http://www2.gardenrailways.com/gr/). *Finescale Railroader (http://www.finescalerr.com/). *Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette (no URL; call 650-941-3845). And the best "book" to get started in the hobby is the Aster Catalog; it explains a lot. Best o' luck. --- Dave Cole mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] General Manager, Westline Mussel Rock Railroad http://dmcole.com/ Daly City, Calif. USA List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In a message dated 1/31/00 7:48:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So You Want To Build A Steam Locomotive?" byt Joseph Nelson is one of the "Bibles" of the hobby. Mike, its a great book if you have or are going to build a ride on Live steamer. The book really does not address the scales under 3/4" in my opinion. As far as fundamentals go though, it is good. "The Bible" would actually be "Master Railroad Builder" published by Paragon some years ago, and now out of print. This book relates to anything large scale and can be utilized for the smaller scales too. Now if only Vance would write a book. hmmm it must be his web page! Regards, Jeff Badger Soquel Pacific Coast Ry.
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And the best "book" to get started in the hobby is the Aster Catalog; it explains a lot. That's an excellent suggestion, and one I wouldn't have thought to mention but should have. And let's not forget Marc Horovitz's "Introduction to Small-Scale Steam", the most complete treatise on the workings of little steam engines yet. regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
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Now if only Vance would write a book. hmmm it must be his web page! Ha! Maybe I could fill a book with what I _don't_ know! -vance-
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Actually, when I think about books that I reference a lot, it seems that I find myself going to the knowledge that LBSC put down on paper. Although much of his stuff was written about larger stuff the techniques and design are easily adapted to our smaller scale, he even suggests it in the Virginian. Bob
