Re: Metric or standard?
Landon Solomon wrote: So... can you tell us why? This thread predates much. As I recall, it is contemporary with whitworth.
Re: Metric or standard?
Thank you very much! Now I'm fighting the urge to start using them everywhere... =| (don't have a good set of taps for any other system, use american because it's easy to get...) My Live steam Garratt will be built on Roundhouse engines so it'd make sense to continue that theme... : ] Trot, the fox who's horrible at making decisions... (what can I say, I'm a model Libra.) | /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember, | ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon\ "There is a | >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative." From: "Mike Chaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trot asked:- > So... can you tell us why? See http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/bathrd.htm Mike (an Associate Member of the BHI) _ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com
Re: Metric or standard?
- Original Message - From: "Clark Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Metric or standard? > Royce Woodbury wrote: > > > Clark Lord wrote: > >> I also have a small (3 inches long) Channel Lock pliers and a small (3 > >> inch long) Crescent Wrench. > > > Where'd you find those items, Clark ? Seems I ran into someone at a > > steamup who had a very small crescent wrench described as "very hard to > > find" item. Thanks. > > The Channel Lock pliers were given to me by John Wieland and the > crescent wrench is a novelty item in the basket at the check out count > at Harbor Freight. I also seem to recall that Sears has them as well. > > I would guess a large tool dealer has the small Channel lock pliers. > > No you can't have mine. > > Clark > >
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Royce Woodbury wrote: Clark Lord wrote: I also have a small (3 inches long) Channel Lock pliers and a small (3 inch long) Crescent Wrench. Where'd you find those items, Clark ? Seems I ran into someone at a steamup who had a very small crescent wrench described as "very hard to find" item. Thanks. The Channel Lock pliers were given to me by John Wieland and the crescent wrench is a novelty item in the basket at the check out count at Harbor Freight. I also seem to recall that Sears has them as well. I would guess a large tool dealer has the small Channel lock pliers. No you can't have mine. Clark
Re: Metric or standard?
Clark Lord wrote: I also have a small (3 inches long) Channel Lock pliers and a small (3 inch long) Cresent Wrench. Where'd you find those items, Clark ? Seems I ran into someone at a steamup who had a very small crescent wrench described as "very hard to find" item. Thanks. royce in SB
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- Original Message - From: "Clark Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Metric or standard? > Another handy item is hemostats in various lengths and curvatures. > Absolutely needed when you have to hold a small nut way down inside > something. Hi Clark & Steve, Clark's recommendations are all top shelf! The only thing I would add to his list is a set of really good tweezers! Penn- Tool in Maplewood , NJ as well as MSC and other Industrial suppliers, will have most of the tools Clark mentions. Penn also carries the full line of Swiss DuMont tweezers, as used by Watchmakers, surgeons etc. they are non- magnetic stainless steel, and come with points from rugged, to so fine you need a magifier to see them! The small ignition size wrenches are also available from S-K (the makers) and I got mine through MSC in New York. Another too I found indispensable, when asembling an Aster kit, is a big magnet! (or a wife with really good eyesight and thin slender fingers!) as those teeny weeny little fasteners have a habit of jumping up off the work bench of their own volition, and scattering all over the floor! My wife and I spent an amazing amount of time on the floor, with a strong light and a magnet fishing for tiny nuts and bolts! Keith Taylor
Re: Metric or standard?
Trot asked:- > So... can you tell us why? > > Seems like there are already a good number of systems out there... Why was > this one created? See http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/bathrd.htm Mike (an Associate Member of the BHI)
Re: Metric or standard?
So... can you tell us why? Seems like there are already a good number of systems out there... Why was this one created? Trot, the semi-logical, fox... | /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember, | ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon\ "There is a | >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative." From: "Mike Chaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jim rightly wrote:- > B.A. is "British Association" - a British (surprise surprise!) thread > system used for small sizes particularly in the British electrical > industry. It is a number system, going from 0BA (=6mmOD) through to 16 BA > (Tiny!). In general only the even numbers are in general use -0, 2, 4, 6, > 8, 10. In particular, however, 5BA is (almost) right for threading 1/8" rod and 7BA for 3/32". For 1/16", one can indeed use an even size - 10BA. Many models are made with special hex-head screws where the head is one size smaller to give the same strength with a neater head. BA is actually a metric system, with 0BA similar to M6, but each size is 1/9 of the next larger in a geometric progression down to 26BA (I haven't worked out how small this is!) The thread angle is 47.5 degrees, as opposed to ISO Metric's 60 degrees and Whitworth's 55 degrees. FWIW Mike _ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
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I wrote, whilst my brain wasn't properly plugged in:- > BA is actually a metric system, with 0BA similar to M6, but each size is 1/9 of the next larger in a geometric progression down to 26BA I meant "each size is 9% smaller than the last" (I think!) Mike
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Jim rightly wrote:- > B.A. is "British Association" - a British (surprise surprise!) thread > system used for small sizes particularly in the British electrical > industry. It is a number system, going from 0BA (=6mmOD) through to 16 BA > (Tiny!). In general only the even numbers are in general use -0, 2, 4, 6, > 8, 10. In particular, however, 5BA is (almost) right for threading 1/8" rod and 7BA for 3/32". For 1/16", one can indeed use an even size - 10BA. Many models are made with special hex-head screws where the head is one size smaller to give the same strength with a neater head. BA is actually a metric system, with 0BA similar to M6, but each size is 1/9 of the next larger in a geometric progression down to 26BA (I haven't worked out how small this is!) The thread angle is 47.5 degrees, as opposed to ISO Metric's 60 degrees and Whitworth's 55 degrees. FWIW Mike
Re: Metric or standard?
I use Sears automotive ignition wrenches which are available in two different sets. SAE and Metric. Each set has 10 wrenches which are open end on one end and box on the other. I use the metric nut drivers that Micro Mark sells, the Wiha brand. For BA I use the ones sold by Sulphur Springs Steam Models. I have both Aster and British engines. For screwdrivers I use the Wiha brand also. Expensive but tough. I also have a small (3 inches long) Channel Lock pliers and a small (3 inch long) Cresent Wrench. I find I use the Channel Locks in the field but not at the bench where I usually have the correct wrench at hand. Another handy item is hemostats in various lengths and curvatures. Absolutely needed when you have to hold a small nut way down inside something. -- Cheers Clark Clark B Lord - Las Vegas, Nevada USA Las Vegas Live Steamers - Gauge 1 live steam steve speck wrote: Thanks Jim, yes it is a Aster Mikado. It looks like to have a good set of tools you need a little bit of everything. Where are the best places to find these specialty tools? Thanks again, Steve Speck.
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Thanks Jim, yes it is a Aster Mikado. It looks like to have a good set of tools you need a little bit of everything. Where are the best places to find these speciality tools? Thanks again, Steve Speck. At 12:15 PM 9/19/03 +0800, you wrote: Hi Steve. B.A. is "British Association" - a British (surprise surprise!) thread system used for small sizes particularly in the British electrical industry. It is a number system, going from 0BA (=6mmOD) through to 16 BA (Tiny!). In general only the even numbers are in general use -0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. I think Roundhouse use 2, 4, 6, and 8, all standard BA sizes. I think their fillers, safety valves etc are another slightly odd English series the "Model Engineer" series. These are an imperial size series either 32 tpi or 40 tpi. I would suggest that you get a small set of even BA spanners or tube spanners, + a small adjustable wrench for fillers etc. The Mikado is a different proposition - are we talking an Aster Mikado, or some other brand? If it is an Aster then it is Metric but Aster use a number of non standard metric sizes. Sorry to be unhelpful there. Jim Gregg. At 10:32 PM 9/18/03 -0500, you wrote: I own a RH #24 and a Mikado. I plan to start looking for small tools to use on Loco's. Should I get metric or standard. I have also heard of the term BA wrenches, what does this refer too? Thanks, Steve Speck
Re: Metric or standard?
Hi Steve. B.A. is "British Association" - a British (surprise surprise!) thread system used for small sizes particularly in the British electrical industry. It is a number system, going from 0BA (=6mmOD) through to 16 BA (Tiny!). In general only the even numbers are in general use -0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. I think Roundhouse use 2, 4, 6, and 8, all standard BA sizes. I think their fillers, safety valves etc are another slightly odd English series the "Model Engineer" series. These are an imperial size series either 32 tpi or 40 tpi. I would suggest that you get a small set of even BA spanners or tube spanners, + a small adjustable wrench for fillers etc. The Mikado is a different proposition - are we talking an Aster Mikado, or some other brand? If it is an Aster then it is Metric but Aster use a number of non standard metric sizes. Sorry to be unhelpful there. Jim Gregg. At 10:32 PM 9/18/03 -0500, you wrote: I own a RH #24 and a Mikado. I plan to start looking for small tools to use on Loco's. Should I get metric or standard. I have also heard of the term BA wrenches, what does this refer too? Thanks, Steve Speck
Metric or standard?
I own a RH #24 and a Mikado. I plan to start looking for small tools to use on Loco's. Should I get metric or standard. I have also heard of the term BA wrenches, what does this refer too? Thanks, Steve Speck
