Re: New guy with a question

[Keith Taylor]

Not No.1 gauge, but I found out just this week who owns the drawings, and
patterns with all coreboxes for the Becker Dairy farm 4-8-4 copy of a DL&W
RR "Pocono!" 2" scale may just be a wee bit out of my size limitations
though! The fellow who owns that stuff, hasn't done much with it, as he
bought it, with the intent of using the truck and coupler castings for his
15" gauge Cagney powered line! (that, and he was a close friend of Gene
Becker's!)
Keith
- Original Message -
From: "Harry Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: New guy with a question


> At 03:32 PM 4/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >A full scale Number 1 gauge Lehigh Valley T-6,  4-8-4 Alco
> >that's my idea of heaven!
> >Keith
>
> Keith,
>Have you seen the latest from Aster?  (I'm sending the news off-list in
> case you haven't.)  This might be your big chance.
>
> Regards,
> Harry
>

 

Re: New guy with a question

[Keith Taylor]

- Original Message -
From: "Harry Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: New guy with a question


> Keith,
>  If this were in another scale I'd agree but aside from being able to
> sleep the deep an dreamless sleep of those who know their drivers are
fully
> cored I'm not sure the effort and expense would be repaid in Ga1.

I agree with you completely! And would be very happy to place an order for a
mere dummy boxpoc driver, it could be solid all the way through, as I don't
think that dynamic augment pounding the rails is much of an issue in 1/32
scale! But a well made cored casting, even if only the builder knows what is
there, can be a work of art. At one point, I owned two sets of unmachined
castings for a 3/4" scale UP Challenger. Thse castings were the work of a
retired patternmaker, who made patterns and core boxes to pour the engine
beds aas a single casting, including not only the entire frame, but the
cylinders and valve gear supports as well, just as in the original General
Steel castings underbed! I sold them, knowing that I'd never do anything
with them, but now wish I had kept one set, as an example of beautiful core
work and the worls most complex paperweights! These frames did have the
drivers installed, and he too took the simpler path of making solid wheel
castings, although you certainly could not tell from the outside!
Keith

 

Re: New guy with a question

[Harry Wade]

At 03:32 PM 4/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>A full scale Number 1 gauge Lehigh Valley T-6,  4-8-4 Alco
>that's my idea of heaven!
>Keith

Keith,
   Have you seen the latest from Aster?  (I'm sending the news off-list in
case you haven't.)  This might be your big chance.

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: New guy with a question

[Jim Curry]

>Harry said:  What I
have seen done, and which would make the job a little easier, would be to
make the drivers in two pieces, a driver front with hub, rim, tire,
counterbalance, etc, and appropriate back-side ribbing, and a backing plate
for closure, to give the illusion that the wheels were cored.<

Well, it's good to see you simplified the process! :>)

Jim
 

Re: New guy with a question

[steve boylan]

Keith,

You wrote:

> Harry,
> Maybe not just as a Boxpoc look-a-like, but boy, to have a scale fully cored
> hollow spoke driver would be one major undertaking! And I'd be first in line
> to buy a set of those babies! Man alive! A full scale Number 1 gauge Lehigh
> Valley T-6,  4-8-4 Alco pulling about twenty 1/32" scale coal hoppers,
> that's my idea of heaven!

Now THERE'S a man with a mission!

- - Steve

 

Re: New guy with a question

[Harry Wade]

At 03:32 PM 4/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Harry,
>Maybe not just as a Boxpoc look-a-like,

Keith,
 If this were in another scale I'd agree but aside from being able to
sleep the deep an dreamless sleep of those who know their drivers are fully
cored I'm not sure the effort and expense would be repaid in Ga1.  What I
have seen done, and which would make the job a little easier, would be to
make the drivers in two pieces, a driver front with hub, rim, tire,
counterbalance, etc, and appropriate back-side ribbing, and a backing plate
for closure, to give the illusion that the wheels were cored.

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: New guy with a question

[Keith Taylor]

- Original Message -
From: "Harry Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: New guy with a question
[snip]
> I'll go one to say that this may be an opportunity for
> someone to join the ranks of the Small Scale Pattern Pool.  They wouldn't
> be hard to make, either the wheels proper or the patterns.
Harry,
Maybe not just as a Boxpoc look-a-like, but boy, to have a scale fully cored
hollow spoke driver would be one major undertaking! And I'd be first in line
to buy a set of those babies! Man alive! A full scale Number 1 gauge Lehigh
Valley T-6,  4-8-4 Alco pulling about twenty 1/32" scale coal hoppers,
that's my idea of heaven!
Keith

 

Re: New guy with a question

[steve boylan]

Harry,

You wrote:

>  Keith took the words right out of my mouth and since it only needs
> to be said once I'll go one to say that this may be an opportunity for
> someone to join the ranks of the Small Scale Pattern Pool.  They wouldn't
> be hard to make, either the wheels proper or the patterns.

Sounds like my kind of folks.  Where do I sign up?  :-)

- - Steve

 

Re: New guy with a question

[Harry Wade]

At 01:22 PM 4/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Paul, they are NOT plain old drivers! They are general Steel casting Box
>Pox, or Box Poc drivers,

 Keith took the words right out of my mouth and since it only needs
to be said once I'll go one to say that this may be an opportunity for
someone to join the ranks of the Small Scale Pattern Pool.  They wouldn't
be hard to make, either the wheels proper or the patterns.

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: New guy with a question

[Keith Taylor]

- Original Message -
From: "Richard Finlayson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: New guy with a question


> Harry, anybody, do you know the origin of the name "box poc"?
>
Richard,
It is the general Steel castings "cute" way of saying Box Spoke, because the
spoke has a box like cross section, it is hollow. In fact, the entire wheel
is a hollow cross section which is very strong. The other companies tried to
duplicate this patented process, some by license, some by changing things a
little to avoid paying a license fee. Competitors included the Baldwin Disc
Driver, and the Scullin Disc Driver which Alco used on some of the New York
Centrals super hudsons.
Keith Taylor

 

Re: New guy with a question

[Keith Taylor]

- Original Message -
From: "Paul Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > http://moosedog.home.mindspring.com/5100.jpg?
> >
> Heh, I was expecting to see a Climax:)  They're just plain, old, drivers.
> Nothin' special.
Paul, they are NOT plain old drivers! They are general Steel casting Box
Pox, or Box Poc drivers, they used both names. they are hollow castings that
are very finely balanced and the hollow spokes (hence box in section) was
made using cores in the sand mold. Their were competing drivers with hollow
spokes made by Scullin, the Scullin Disc Driver, and Baldwin, which can be
recognized by a raised flange surrounding the openings, and known as the
Baldwin Disc driver. But they are definately NOT a plain old driver, which
would normally be much thinner section through the spoke, and the spokes are
not hollow ed out with cores, hence the plain driver would be very much
heavier with spokes that wide!
>
> There should be castings all over the place.

I can say, that I am certainly not the last word, but I have never seen a
single Box Poc, or Baldwin Disc or Scullin driver casting ever offered in
No. 1 gauge! In fact, the bulk of all driver castings I've seen are British
castings for their locomotives, and even the "plain old drivers" solid spoke
castings are way to delicate and have way too many spokes to accurately
model an American locomotive model. About the only Gauge 1 disc drivers I've
ever seen are on the Aster "Daylight" engine, and seperate driver castings
are not available. At this date, I doubt that any parts are available from
Aster for that locomotive.
very truly yours, Keith Taylor
>
>


 

Re: New guy with a question

[Harry Wade]

At 09:26 PM 4/2/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Harry, anybody, do you know the origin of the name "box poc"?

Richard,
Mike Martin's explanation of the name origin is the only one I've ever
heard and since this type of wheel was actually cast with extensive coring
so as to make them partially hollow, thus creating "box spokes", it sounds
reasonable to me.

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: New guy with a question

[Richard Finlayson]

Harry, anybody, do you know the origin of the name "box poc"?

Thanks,

-Richard


>At 08:55 PM 4/2/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>1. What is the proper name for the type of drive wheels found on the
>  >locomotive that I have a picture of at com/5100.jpg?
>
> Box poc.
>
>Regards,
>Harry
>


-- 
==
Richard Finlayson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: New guy with a question

[VR Bass]

> 2. Is anyone seriously building F-scale (1:20.3) standard guage equipment?
> What are the prospects of this scale "taking-off" for other than
> Narrow-Gauge equipment?

There are a couple of guys in Knoxville, Tenn. who are doing F-scale std. ga. 
seriously.  David Queener is doing the motive power, under the name "Cumberland 
Locomotive Works" .  
These will all be electric models, AFAIK, but he's also selling prefab tie 
strips (custom made for him by Llagas Creek, I believe), so you won't have to 
lay your own track.  There are also rolling stock kits, trucks, etc. in the 
works.

As for "taking off" -- I doubt it, without major manufacturer support.  And the 
majors won't even support "rational" scales like 1:32 (standard gauge) or 
1:20.3 (narrow).  I certainly don't expect them to jump on the bandwagon of an 
obscure variant of a scale they consider minor at best, or even a damned 
nuisance.

Still, if you're going to be building a lot of your own equipment anyway -- who 
cares?  Build it in 1:18.375 if you want, and we'll still applaud your efforts.

regards,
  -vance-

Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
 

Re: New guy with a question

[Paul Anderson]

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, XXYZ wrote:


>
> 1. What is the proper name for the type of drive wheels found on the
> locomotive that I have a picture of at
> http://moosedog.home.mindspring.com/5100.jpg?
>
Heh, I was expecting to see a Climax:)  They're just plain, old, drivers.
Nothin' special.

> Does anyone know where I can
> find detailed drawings of this type of drivers? (I would like to model this
> locomotive in guage 1 live steam, I'll probably build the project locomotive
> and a few others first. But it's a good time to start gathering information)
>
There should be castings all over the place.


---
Paul Anderson
geeky1!paul
"Nature has been kinder to us than we had any right to expect.
--- Freeman Dyson
 

Re: New guy with a question

[Harry Wade]

At 08:55 PM 4/2/02 -0700, you wrote:
>1. What is the proper name for the type of drive wheels found on the
>locomotive that I have a picture of at com/5100.jpg?

Box poc.

Regards,
Harry
 

New guy with a question

[XXYZ]

Hello all!

I have been lurking for the past few weeks and I have a few questions and
would like to introduce myself.

First, the introduction.

My name in Ken Vogel and I live in Lafayette, CO. I have been interested in
railroads since I was a kid. I think that it's in my blood. I had two
great-grandfathers that worked on the Chicago & Northwestern, one as an
engineer (I think on the 400's route). I have been interested in live steam,
since I was a kid as well, The local library had a copy of "So you want to
buid a live steam locomotive" that I ran across in the railraod section and
I have been hooked ever since. I'm now a mechanical engineer who designs
automated assembly machinery for a living and I think it's about time that I
get a real hobby.

Now the questions.

1. What is the proper name for the type of drive wheels found on the
locomotive that I have a picture of at
http://moosedog.home.mindspring.com/5100.jpg? Does anyone know where I can
find detailed drawings of this type of drivers? (I would like to model this
locomotive in guage 1 live steam, I'll probably build the project locomotive
and a few others first. But it's a good time to start gathering information)

2. Is anyone seriously building F-scale (1:20.3) standard guage equipment?
What are the prospects of this scale "taking-off" for other than
Narrow-Gauge equipment?

I'm sure I'll have many more question in the future.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Ken