Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Wrong list folks. - Original Message - From: "Sam Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 4:15 AM Subject: Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties) > Trent > > One of the founding fathers of Chaos theory was a weatherman who was > puzzled that despite all the modern technology and scientific > understanding, forecasting the weather is still far from an exact > science. His analysis lead to the conclusion that a miniscule change in > a given situation could have an effect out of all proportion to its > size. Folk other than granola tree huggers seem to think an average > rise in world temperature of 1 degree centigrade is no big deal. This > is very far from the truth. > > One of the ways the biosphere has of coping with the rise in CO2, a > major greenhouse gass, is to recycle it through plants, particularly > trees. We produce ever increasing anounts of co2 by unlocking it from > the fossil fuels in which it has been trapped for millions of years, at > the same time we are devastating the world's broad leaved forests. > > This planet is a spaceship in a very hostile environment. The biosphere > is our life support system. We damage it at our peril. > > Sam E > > Trent Dowler wrote: > > > > OK, so I thought I understood Chaos Theory just a little. How does it > > tie into the "granola eating tree huggers" comment? > > Guess I'll take your advice and go do a little research. > > > > Later, > > Trent > > > > Sam Evans wrote: > > > > > Maybe when the prairies turn to dust again, and your grain crops fail > > > you'd wish you'd listened to the tree huggers a little more closely. > > > > > > Clue: Read up on how Chaos Theory was developed by an American > > > weatherman and you may start to get the idea > > > > > > Dan Pantages wrote: > > > (just don't let the "granola eating tree huggers" find out) > > > > > > > > Dan > > >
Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Excuse me! After a couple days of this thread, did this chat group devote itself to trains, steam, engines, cars--? With Dr. Strangeglove and others predicting the end of the world, why try to extend the steam time on your Ruby or think about the purchase 0f an Aster 2-6-6-6? why drive to DH through all the dust and desolation? I thought Maxwell Smart had defeated Chaos and retired. Where are he and Barbara Felton when you need them. I really don't think that the world will end, because I think Bush will win. Anybody want to talk politics or religion? How about bulging chats? Wear a front and back sign saying "the end is near" and show your support! Trent Dowler wrote: > OK, so I thought I understood Chaos Theory just a little. How does it > tie into the "granola eating tree huggers" comment? > Guess I'll take your advice and go do a little research. > > Later, > Trent > > Sam Evans wrote: > > > Maybe when the prairies turn to dust again, and your grain crops fail > > you'd wish you'd listened to the tree huggers a little more closely. > > > > Clue: Read up on how Chaos Theory was developed by an American > > weatherman and you may start to get the idea > > > > Dan Pantages wrote: > > (just don't let the "granola eating tree huggers" find out) > > > > > > Dan >
RE: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Sam, Further to your point on the tree and unloched carbon cycle that is creating chaos, a recent PBS TV report showed that although the earth's temperature has only risen 1° in the last 1000? years, since 1990, CO2 gases have increased dramatically. I am puzzled that there is never, or very little, mention about the burnt aircraft jet fuel contaminants that must be increasing at a disasterous rate. Was it 300 tons of CO2 that the Concord was sprewing across the Atlantic several times a week? Sit in O'Hare airport in Chicago and watch a jet landing every 60 seconds. If I recall, the US airline industry was deregulated around 1985-1990. This must have contributed to increased travel flights all around the world. This must have a more rapid effect on global warming, because these greenhouse gases are already high up in our atmosphere, where even trees have no conversion effect. There was a northwest passage mission in the Canadian Arctic earlier this year. They found that the polar ice had reduced by 40% and effectively, one month of winter has been lost in the Arctic. The black open water 300 miles wide was acting as a heat sink. The exposed surface of the ground is melting the permafrost and the rotting tundra is producing tons of methane daily. Unfortnately, politicians are told that it is the automobile that is the basic cause of the problem and, by raising energy prices, people will walk or use the bus. All I can say is chaos reigns, and it is going to get a lot worse. It may even be too late to make any kind of reverse effect. Harley
Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Gotcha. Now I understand. Apparently there are several individuals that use the Chaos Theory term for their own personal quests. Confusing at the least. Anyway, thanks for the lesson, and I do agree. Later, Trent
Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Trent One of the founding fathers of Chaos theory was a weatherman who was puzzled that despite all the modern technology and scientific understanding, forecasting the weather is still far from an exact science. His analysis lead to the conclusion that a miniscule change in a given situation could have an effect out of all proportion to its size. Folk other than granola tree huggers seem to think an average rise in world temperature of 1 degree centigrade is no big deal. This is very far from the truth. One of the ways the biosphere has of coping with the rise in CO2, a major greenhouse gass, is to recycle it through plants, particularly trees. We produce ever increasing anounts of co2 by unlocking it from the fossil fuels in which it has been trapped for millions of years, at the same time we are devastating the world's broad leaved forests. This planet is a spaceship in a very hostile environment. The biosphere is our life support system. We damage it at our peril. Sam E Trent Dowler wrote: > > OK, so I thought I understood Chaos Theory just a little. How does it > tie into the "granola eating tree huggers" comment? > Guess I'll take your advice and go do a little research. > > Later, > Trent > > Sam Evans wrote: > > > Maybe when the prairies turn to dust again, and your grain crops fail > > you'd wish you'd listened to the tree huggers a little more closely. > > > > Clue: Read up on how Chaos Theory was developed by an American > > weatherman and you may start to get the idea > > > > Dan Pantages wrote: > > (just don't let the "granola eating tree huggers" find out) > > > > > > Dan >
RE: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Hi Geoff, Pleased you liked your new title. I had a case of late night spontaneous combustion at this end, (my coal got wet) and the Monica just came into my head. (Hows that for a play on words!). Understand the cost effective popularity of the Rubies and Crickets, I was trying to brew up a teacup storm to liven up the audience a little. (But only saw two re-actions). All this late night re-engineering reading gets a little tiring, but does "spread the word" effectively amonst the readers. Also agree with Clark,s (and other) comments about lack of commercial 1/32 support for rolling stock and accessories etc. However there are several "family" business,s in UK who are filling this nitch quite nicely. Although many build to 10mm as well, some build in both scales, and not really much noticeable difference at 10' between 1/32 and 10mm). Pity we cannot get 1/32 going commercially in US.(Or can we). Anyone asked why Aster puts out all these engines and very little support stock, ie. none?. Cardboard Coaches:- Sure I will take anything built by your delicate hands. Painting no problem, just line em up and walk up and down till aerosol runs dry, or cardboard gets soggy. I have thought about trying the Plasticard materials for coach biulding but longest lengths available locally are only 12", and I prefer not to see a seam. 36" lengths would be ideal, if available. Time to sign off, close the blower, kill the fire and clock out. Tony D. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties) Hi Tony, Yes this site has become very much "Ruby" oriented, but that is fine as obviuosly the interest lies in that great little loco--and it is also price conscious -very important! The site also seems to encourage more NG fans in G or 16mm scale. I wish more of the 1/32 scale buffs would participate! Of course there has been quite a bit on the Aster Mikado. Otherwise, perhaps we are too busy chasing our express locos!--and working more to pay for them?? Don't forget the "frog coaches"!! As for DH-3days?? That's Mississippi days--actually it does go from Monday to Monday. I get there on Wednesdays and it's going full blast! Then you wrote "But I think a few parade >laps of triple headed coal fired engines should clear the crowds a little. I >am making plans, so be warned." WAIT and bring your gas mask (if you >saved it)--you'll find enough coal fired engines fumigating the >place--Loverly!! Thanks for the other comments which I shall reply to off-site--I don't want my background spread around too much!! Toodle-doo Geoff Hi Geoff, > Thanks for your kind reply, nice to hear British sense of humour!. >Have I strayed into this email web site "dedicated" to Ruby and Cricket >owners, past and present by mistake?. >I think the Ruby,s and Crickets are ideal for running schedules to a British >Rail Timetable/Calender!. >Is there a web site for big Pacifics and Hudson owners, these faster engines >sure make you excercise!. >I think it would take about 30 cardboard coaches to make my Britannia >"chuff", it has already pulled >10 genuine heavyweight coaches. >So you was married before people had surnames?. Must have been around >700AD I think?, and Nottingham a village. >(Sick British humor slipping out again), or was it "Lord Geoffrey de >Lifesteemer"! who married you, before the sea was salty. I think I knew >him! His coat of arms logo was J&M, on a background of Fleur de les. >I enjoy small drinks, makes the journey to passing out longer and more >enjoyable. >Viewing all the emails of people already booked for Diamonhead, makes me >think it should be 7 days and nights, not three. But I think a few parade >laps of triple headed coal fired engines should clear the crowds a little. I >am making plans, so be warned. > See you there. > Keep your fire glowing and don't let your pressure drop!. > Tony
Now Diamondhead 2001 was Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Geoff Spenceley wrote: > The site also seems to encourage more NG fans in G or 16mm scale. I wish > more of the 1/32 scale buffs would participate! Well I'm a 1/32 buff as you know Geoff but most of the fellows that I'm trying to get interested in live steam are buying Ruby's. One fellow has a Blue (that's right, blue) Frank S and another has a Roundhouse Fowler on order and the rest Ruby's. To that extent I ordered two MDC cabooses from San-Val hoping that they would be suitable for my mainline engines. Sadly they are NG road names with truss rods. The steps don't even look proper. I was hoping that I could modify them in some way to make an acceptable 1/32 caboose. Yes I have the Aster Pennsy cabin car that goes with my K4 but I wanted something along the lines of the old Delton UP caboose. Still hunting. I suppose I will have to scratch build one. It's time for me to drag out my K4 and my 8 Aristocraft heavyweight coaches and give them a run for old time's sake. Of course one of my best running engines is my Schools and it's 25 years old. But I ramble on. See you at DH 2001 old boy. Clark
RE: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Hi Tony, Yes this site has become very much "Ruby" oriented, but that is fine as obviuosly the interest lies in that great little loco--and it is also price conscious -very important! The site also seems to encourage more NG fans in G or 16mm scale. I wish more of the 1/32 scale buffs would participate! Of course there has been quite a bit on the Aster Mikado. Otherwise, perhaps we are too busy chasing our express locos!--and working more to pay for them?? Don't forget the "frog coaches"!! As for DH-3days?? That's Mississippi days--actually it does go from Monday to Monday. I get there on Wednesdays and it's going full blast! Then you wrote "But I think a few parade >laps of triple headed coal fired engines should clear the crowds a little. I >am making plans, so be warned." WAIT and bring your gas mask (if you >saved it)--you'll find enough coal fired engines fumigating the >place--Loverly!! Thanks for the other comments which I shall reply to off-site--I don't want my background spread around too much!! Toodle-doo Geoff Hi Geoff, > Thanks for your kind reply, nice to hear British sense of humour!. >Have I strayed into this email web site "dedicated" to Ruby and Cricket >owners, past and present by mistake?. >I think the Ruby,s and Crickets are ideal for running schedules to a British >Rail Timetable/Calender!. >Is there a web site for big Pacifics and Hudson owners, these faster engines >sure make you excercise!. >I think it would take about 30 cardboard coaches to make my Britannia >"chuff", it has already pulled >10 genuine heavyweight coaches. >So you was married before people had surnames?. Must have been around >700AD I think?, and Nottingham a village. >(Sick British humor slipping out again), or was it "Lord Geoffrey de >Lifesteemer"! who married you, before the sea was salty. I think I knew >him! His coat of arms logo was J&M, on a background of Fleur de les. >I enjoy small drinks, makes the journey to passing out longer and more >enjoyable. >Viewing all the emails of people already booked for Diamonhead, makes me >think it should be 7 days and nights, not three. But I think a few parade >laps of triple headed coal fired engines should clear the crowds a little. I >am making plans, so be warned. > See you there. > Keep your fire glowing and don't let your pressure drop!. > Tony
RE: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Hi Geoff, Thanks for your kind reply, nice to hear British sense of humour!. Have I strayed into this email web site "dedicated" to Ruby and Cricket owners, past and present by mistake?. I think the Ruby,s and Crickets are ideal for running schedules to a British Rail Timetable/Calender!. Is there a web site for big Pacifics and Hudson owners, these faster engines sure make you excercise!. I think it would take about 30 cardboard coaches to make my Britannia "chuff", it has already pulled 10 genuine heavyweight coaches. So you was married before people had surnames?. Must have been around 700AD I think?, and Nottingham a village. (Sick British humor slipping out again), or was it "Lord Geoffrey de Lifesteemer"! who married you, before the sea was salty. I think I knew him! His coat of arms logo was J&M, on a background of Fleur de les. I enjoy small drinks, makes the journey to passing out longer and more enjoyable. Viewing all the emails of people already booked for Diamonhead, makes me think it should be 7 days and nights, not three. But I think a few parade laps of triple headed coal fired engines should clear the crowds a little. I am making plans, so be warned. See you there. Keep your fire glowing and don't let your pressure drop!. Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: RE: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties) Tony Good to hear words of wisdom from you--cruel words tho they be, 'cos you know how much I want those J&M "Frog"coaches. Coal fired Britannia? 'fraid mine is 3-1/2" gauge (whoops!)--where would I find English pullmans for that! Maybe I could fabricate some cardboard and hot glue pullmans for you--?! Thanks for the info on the pubs--still think some of the wood in mine is older! The church my sweetie and I were married in dated back to the 10th century--no pub close by-- (a couple of years before SaltyChief appeared) First vicar's name of record was "Geoffrey"!--no last name. However I like the sound of the "Ye olde Trip to Jerusalem" in Nottingham-- particularly as the whole world knows (or should) that the most beautiful gals in the world come from Nottingham.--I am commanded to say that by my sweetie as she lived there in WW11!! Some of the best steam trains near there too--they're better than the lasses at my age! My pub is always open for drinks--but the size is rather miniscule!! Will you be in Diamondhead? Steam on! Geoff. >Hi Geoffrey, > I thought you would know the oldest operating pub in England is the "Ye >olde Trip to Jerusalem", in Nottinham, built in 1189AD, over 800 years old. >Less than 1/2 mile away is the "Royal Children" built in 1256?. Still open >for drinks, how about your pub, is that open for drinks?. FYI, I am looking >to trade my J&M Fleche D'oR coaches for some English Pullmans to go behind >my "coal fired" Britannia!. Or should I keep them in my safe keeping for >you?. >Tony D. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On >Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:54 PM >To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam >Subject: Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties) > > > >Thanks Sam, Knowing Dan tho--it was "tongue in cheek"! I am a STRONG >believer in timber harvesting and even tree plantations but not the way >some of the "foresters?" have raped the forests here. Listen to their >arguments about replanting and seeding--then fly over the forests as I do >every time I leave this area in a "puddle jumper" > >Gosh, Dan you opened a can of worms--and I opened it further. I now suggest >we keep away from such jokes, politically, environmentally, etc--even in >humor. -- lets keep to trains. One great thing I love about the steamups I >have attended in Diamondhead and the National Spring Steamup is; I have >never heard politics, philosphy etc discussed. A few lovely discussions >(no blows!) about "firing" etc! > > By Jove! I have a lot of redwood and cedar supporting my track. I find >cedar best for ties and rail beds. Cedar seems less liable to split and >has held up for 11 years under my ballasted elevated track. When I "dig" >down thru the ballast I have been unable to find any rot even in our damp, >unheated climate. Our house however, built in the 60's, is mostly old >growth redwood. When I had the roof modified I was left with maybe 100' of >3x3 (roughly) old growth timber. I have cut it up, sliced it up and used >it for structures and edging. So--my scratchbuilt English pub has parts >that are older than any in England--like 700 to 1000 years old. So the >"slaughtered" redwood should bve happy!! So there, Limeys--such as Sir Art >of the Roundhouse! > >With apologies to Larry Buerer! > >Geoff. >
RE: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Tony Good to hear words of wisdom from you--cruel words tho they be, 'cos you know how much I want those J&M "Frog"coaches. Coal fired Britannia? 'fraid mine is 3-1/2" gauge (whoops!)--where would I find English pullmans for that! Maybe I could fabricate some cardboard and hot glue pullmans for you--?! Thanks for the info on the pubs--still think some of the wood in mine is older! The church my sweetie and I were married in dated back to the 10th century--no pub close by-- (a couple of years before SaltyChief appeared) First vicar's name of record was "Geoffrey"!--no last name. However I like the sound of the "Ye olde Trip to Jerusalem" in Nottingham-- particularly as the whole world knows (or should) that the most beautiful gals in the world come from Nottingham.--I am commanded to say that by my sweetie as she lived there in WW11!! Some of the best steam trains near there too--they're better than the lasses at my age! My pub is always open for drinks--but the size is rather miniscule!! Will you be in Diamondhead? Steam on! Geoff. >Hi Geoffrey, > I thought you would know the oldest operating pub in England is the "Ye >olde Trip to Jerusalem", in Nottinham, built in 1189AD, over 800 years old. >Less than 1/2 mile away is the "Royal Children" built in 1256?. Still open >for drinks, how about your pub, is that open for drinks?. FYI, I am looking >to trade my J&M Fleche D'oR coaches for some English Pullmans to go behind >my "coal fired" Britannia!. Or should I keep them in my safe keeping for >you?. >Tony D. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On >Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:54 PM >To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam >Subject: Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties) > > > >Thanks Sam, Knowing Dan tho--it was "tongue in cheek"! I am a STRONG >believer in timber harvesting and even tree plantations but not the way >some of the "foresters?" have raped the forests here. Listen to their >arguments about replanting and seeding--then fly over the forests as I do >every time I leave this area in a "puddle jumper" > >Gosh, Dan you opened a can of worms--and I opened it further. I now suggest >we keep away from such jokes, politically, environmentally, etc--even in >humor. -- lets keep to trains. One great thing I love about the steamups I >have attended in Diamondhead and the National Spring Steamup is; I have >never heard politics, philosphy etc discussed. A few lovely discussions >(no blows!) about "firing" etc! > > By Jove! I have a lot of redwood and cedar supporting my track. I find >cedar best for ties and rail beds. Cedar seems less liable to split and >has held up for 11 years under my ballasted elevated track. When I "dig" >down thru the ballast I have been unable to find any rot even in our damp, >unheated climate. Our house however, built in the 60's, is mostly old >growth redwood. When I had the roof modified I was left with maybe 100' of >3x3 (roughly) old growth timber. I have cut it up, sliced it up and used >it for structures and edging. So--my scratchbuilt English pub has parts >that are older than any in England--like 700 to 1000 years old. So the >"slaughtered" redwood should bve happy!! So there, Limeys--such as Sir Art >of the Roundhouse! > >With apologies to Larry Buerer! > >Geoff. >
RE: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Hi Geoffrey, I thought you would know the oldest operating pub in England is the "Ye olde Trip to Jerusalem", in Nottinham, built in 1189AD, over 800 years old. Less than 1/2 mile away is the "Royal Children" built in 1256?. Still open for drinks, how about your pub, is that open for drinks?. FYI, I am looking to trade my J&M Fleche D'oR coaches for some English Pullmans to go behind my "coal fired" Britannia!. Or should I keep them in my safe keeping for you?. Tony D. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Geoff Spenceley Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties) Thanks Sam, Knowing Dan tho--it was "tongue in cheek"! I am a STRONG believer in timber harvesting and even tree plantations but not the way some of the "foresters?" have raped the forests here. Listen to their arguments about replanting and seeding--then fly over the forests as I do every time I leave this area in a "puddle jumper" Gosh, Dan you opened a can of worms--and I opened it further. I now suggest we keep away from such jokes, politically, environmentally, etc--even in humor. -- lets keep to trains. One great thing I love about the steamups I have attended in Diamondhead and the National Spring Steamup is; I have never heard politics, philosphy etc discussed. A few lovely discussions (no blows!) about "firing" etc! By Jove! I have a lot of redwood and cedar supporting my track. I find cedar best for ties and rail beds. Cedar seems less liable to split and has held up for 11 years under my ballasted elevated track. When I "dig" down thru the ballast I have been unable to find any rot even in our damp, unheated climate. Our house however, built in the 60's, is mostly old growth redwood. When I had the roof modified I was left with maybe 100' of 3x3 (roughly) old growth timber. I have cut it up, sliced it up and used it for structures and edging. So--my scratchbuilt English pub has parts that are older than any in England--like 700 to 1000 years old. So the "slaughtered" redwood should bve happy!! So there, Limeys--such as Sir Art of the Roundhouse! With apologies to Larry Buerer! Geoff. Maybe when the prairies turn to dust again, and your grain crops fail >you'd wish you'd listened to the tree huggers a little more closely. > >Clue: Read up on how Chaos Theory was developed by an American >weatherman and you may start to get the idea > >Dan Pantages wrote: > (just don't let the "granola eating tree huggers" find out) >> >> Dan
Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
How did I get into this! LB Geoff Spenceley wrote: > Thanks Sam, Knowing Dan tho--it was "tongue in cheek"! I am a STRONG > believer in timber harvesting and even tree plantations but not the way > some of the "foresters?" have raped the forests here. Listen to their > arguments about replanting and seeding--then fly over the forests as I do > every time I leave this area in a "puddle jumper" > > Gosh, Dan you opened a can of worms--and I opened it further. I now suggest > we keep away from such jokes, politically, environmentally, etc--even in > humor. -- lets keep to trains. One great thing I love about the steamups I > have attended in Diamondhead and the National Spring Steamup is; I have > never heard politics, philosphy etc discussed. A few lovely discussions > (no blows!) about "firing" etc! > > By Jove! I have a lot of redwood and cedar supporting my track. I find > cedar best for ties and rail beds. Cedar seems less liable to split and > has held up for 11 years under my ballasted elevated track. When I "dig" > down thru the ballast I have been unable to find any rot even in our damp, > unheated climate. Our house however, built in the 60's, is mostly old > growth redwood. When I had the roof modified I was left with maybe 100' of > 3x3 (roughly) old growth timber. I have cut it up, sliced it up and used > it for structures and edging. So--my scratchbuilt English pub has parts > that are older than any in England--like 700 to 1000 years old. So the > "slaughtered" redwood should bve happy!! So there, Limeys--such as Sir Art > of the Roundhouse! > > With apologies to Larry Buerer! > > Geoff. > > Maybe when the prairies turn to dust again, and your grain crops fail > >you'd wish you'd listened to the tree huggers a little more closely. > > > >Clue: Read up on how Chaos Theory was developed by an American > >weatherman and you may start to get the idea > > > >Dan Pantages wrote: > > (just don't let the "granola eating tree huggers" find out) > >> > >> Dan > >
Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
OK, so I thought I understood Chaos Theory just a little. How does it tie into the "granola eating tree huggers" comment? Guess I'll take your advice and go do a little research. Later, Trent Sam Evans wrote: > Maybe when the prairies turn to dust again, and your grain crops fail > you'd wish you'd listened to the tree huggers a little more closely. > > Clue: Read up on how Chaos Theory was developed by an American > weatherman and you may start to get the idea > > Dan Pantages wrote: > (just don't let the "granola eating tree huggers" find out) > > > > Dan
Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Thanks Sam, Knowing Dan tho--it was "tongue in cheek"! I am a STRONG believer in timber harvesting and even tree plantations but not the way some of the "foresters?" have raped the forests here. Listen to their arguments about replanting and seeding--then fly over the forests as I do every time I leave this area in a "puddle jumper" Gosh, Dan you opened a can of worms--and I opened it further. I now suggest we keep away from such jokes, politically, environmentally, etc--even in humor. -- lets keep to trains. One great thing I love about the steamups I have attended in Diamondhead and the National Spring Steamup is; I have never heard politics, philosphy etc discussed. A few lovely discussions (no blows!) about "firing" etc! By Jove! I have a lot of redwood and cedar supporting my track. I find cedar best for ties and rail beds. Cedar seems less liable to split and has held up for 11 years under my ballasted elevated track. When I "dig" down thru the ballast I have been unable to find any rot even in our damp, unheated climate. Our house however, built in the 60's, is mostly old growth redwood. When I had the roof modified I was left with maybe 100' of 3x3 (roughly) old growth timber. I have cut it up, sliced it up and used it for structures and edging. So--my scratchbuilt English pub has parts that are older than any in England--like 700 to 1000 years old. So the "slaughtered" redwood should bve happy!! So there, Limeys--such as Sir Art of the Roundhouse! With apologies to Larry Buerer! Geoff. Maybe when the prairies turn to dust again, and your grain crops fail >you'd wish you'd listened to the tree huggers a little more closely. > >Clue: Read up on how Chaos Theory was developed by an American >weatherman and you may start to get the idea > >Dan Pantages wrote: > (just don't let the "granola eating tree huggers" find out) >> >> Dan
Re: Unpleasantness at Milleniums End (was wooden ties)
Maybe when the prairies turn to dust again, and your grain crops fail you'd wish you'd listened to the tree huggers a little more closely. Clue: Read up on how Chaos Theory was developed by an American weatherman and you may start to get the idea Dan Pantages wrote: (just don't let the "granola eating tree huggers" find out) > > Dan
