Re: where are the machinists? (was Mike Fix)
alt, it's a two-way problem. I was taking machining courses at the community college a few years ago and was sitting around during break with some guys who were about to finish the program. One had just gotten a job and was ecstatic -- he was going to be making something like $15000 per year. Even in a largely non-unionized state, that is scandalous. What kind of guy with the intelligence to do good machine work would take a job like that when the same skills could get him through a computer curriculum that would start him at two or three times the salary? -- alrighty then hey Walt: maybe you better read what Vance wrote again? because what you just wrote is not what Vance said. so number #1 its not the schools fault, number #2 two its not that they don't need machinist in New Mexico! - this call the so called RIGHT TO WORK STATES or work for less pay ! -which all that means its way to (Break Unions this is Union Busting tactics) which the Republicans love to do! i live in Colorado which so far has escaped the wrath here but its coming thanks to are moron governor with help from his cronies in Washington! there company here in Colorado springs CO -called western forge which makes 40% of the craftsman hand tools in fact my neighbor works for them he is machinist on a very very large machine which punches cuts with help of a computer -these HAND PARTS OUT! Dave been with the company 19 years now and is only making 12 dollars hour! a non union job and he Dave has look for better paying machinist job but when your in late 50 and most companies don't need or wont this kind of expertise what guy to do ?- so shame on Sears made in the USA yea right but paid sweat shop wages! i don't know who worst Walmart or Sears? and Colorado has long and rich history of metal working they use to call Pueblo Colorado little Pittsburgh! because of the steal mills there but three years ago the company busted the union and fired everyone there and open nonunion! while they were union the pay was 15 to 25 dollars hour now its 9.50 -10.95 for the scabs, just my two cents--- tom :(- true true ! -- so lets all- not- get -are -steam -up -about this? remember its just hobby moreover remember -what- sergeant -Friday -said -on =drag -net ?- (note before my time )- just the facts sir :)-
Re: where are the machinists? (was Mike Fix)
Vance, He is obviously in an area that either has an overabundance of machinists, or an area that has very few machine shops and does not need any machinists. A pay of $7.21 per hour is more like what custodial helpers get elsewhere. There must also be something wrong with the school system if they are spending money to train people for that type of entry level jobs. Machine trades training is expensive considering the costs of lathes, milling machines, CNC equipment, etc. If they were teaching child day care, they could get paid for the teaching tools, or at least get them free. Keep your steam up! Walt & Lunk
where are the machinists? (was Mike Fix)
> Try and hire a real machinist in the USA today under the age of 35 and see > what you get. Walt, it's a two-way problem. I was taking machining courses at the community college a few years ago and was sitting around during break with some guys who were about to finish the program. One had just gotten a job and was ecstatic -- he was going to be making something like $15000 per year. Even in a largely non-unionized state, that is scandalous. What kind of guy with the intelligence to do good machine work would take a job like that when the same skills could get him through a computer curriculum that would start him at two or three times the salary? Even though I'm making a good living off of computers, I'm not convinced that they're going to have a positive long-term effect on our economy. Of course, now we're finding a shortage of computer programmers because you can get a business degree with a lot less work and make even more money. Arghhh. We're eating the seed corn, folks. -vance-
