Re: [Standards] File sharing xep proposal
Hello Jefry, Thank you for the HTML version you provided. The problem is very actual so thank you for your interest too. The first thing is that I think that the XEP-0135 (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0135.html) way of browsing files is nicer because it reuses service discovery in very natural way. :) But the search compatibilities you provided in your XEP are nice too, but I think that queries should be improved though. The other thing I noticed is that you saying the the client MUST respond with the list of files if it was queried to do so. I don't think it's right because there are many conditions when client might decide not to do so: permissions control, bandwith control, etc. On 11/06/2012 08:19 AM, Jefry Lagrange wrote: Hello, I've been working for quite some time in a protocol extension to allow file sharing. I have a (some-what) working prototype of its implementation. The prototype is available at Gajim's plugin repository: http://hg.gajim.org/gajim-plugins It doesn't do a lot, but it can share files between computers. Although the code is in alpha stage everyone who is brave enough is welcomed to try it. I have attached a draft of the protocol extension. I would like some feedback on it. If it doesn't looks too bad, I would like to present it to the council by the end of the week. Cheers, -- With best regards, Sergey Dobrov, XMPP Developer and JRuDevels.org founder.
Re: [Standards] File sharing xep proposal
Hi On 11/08/2012 03:20 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote: Hello Jefry, Thank you for the HTML version you provided. That wasn't me, thank Matthew for converting it and hosting it in his website. The problem is very actual so thank you for your interest too. The first thing is that I think that the XEP-0135 (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0135.html) way of browsing files is nicer because it reuses service discovery in very natural way. :) But the search compatibilities you provided in your XEP are nice too, but I think that queries should be improved though. I have tried many different ways of making the protocol. The first time around, I modified xep0135 to include search capabilities. Someone told me, I think it was Matthew, that xep0135 abuses service discovery by using it too much. Also another thing that I noticed is that, data-forms make the xep0135 stanzas become really big, as they waste too much space. For those reasons, I decided to move away from xep0135 and instead of using dataforms, use the well known file stanzas as defined in xep096 and xep0234. In what way do you think that the queries could be improved? The other thing I noticed is that you saying the the client MUST respond with the list of files if it was queried to do so. I don't think it's right because there are many conditions when client might decide not to do so: permissions control, bandwith control, etc. Maybe it wasn't clear in the xep, I will check the writing. Basically if you don't have or want to share any files you just reply with a: match offer directory/ /offer /match Thanks for your feedback. On 11/06/2012 08:19 AM, Jefry Lagrange wrote: Hello, I've been working for quite some time in a protocol extension to allow file sharing. I have a (some-what) working prototype of its implementation. The prototype is available at Gajim's plugin repository: http://hg.gajim.org/gajim-plugins It doesn't do a lot, but it can share files between computers. Although the code is in alpha stage everyone who is brave enough is welcomed to try it. I have attached a draft of the protocol extension. I would like some feedback on it. If it doesn't looks too bad, I would like to present it to the council by the end of the week. Cheers,
Re: [Standards] File sharing xep proposal
On 11/09/2012 12:51 AM, Jefry Lagrange wrote: Hi I have tried many different ways of making the protocol. The first time around, I modified xep0135 to include search capabilities. Someone told me, I think it was Matthew, that xep0135 abuses service discovery by using it too much. Also another thing that I noticed is that, data-forms make the xep0135 stanzas become really big, as they waste too much space. I actually don't understand hot is it possible to abuse service discovery. Maybe someone can explain? Also, I don't think that forms waste much space. They bigger than SI's but not so much and they provide ability to be shown with existent form parsers. For those reasons, I decided to move away from xep0135 and instead of using dataforms, use the well known file stanzas as defined in xep096 and xep0234. In what way do you think that the queries could be improved? Specify the ways client should search files. For example, it can be something like wildcards for filenames or smth else. The other thing I noticed is that you saying the the client MUST respond with the list of files if it was queried to do so. I don't think it's right because there are many conditions when client might decide not to do so: permissions control, bandwith control, etc. Maybe it wasn't clear in the xep, I will check the writing. Basically if you don't have or want to share any files you just reply with a: match offer directory/ /offer /match I think that the better way is to define errors we can return because the empty set is not the same as error and errors have to be reported right way. Thanks for your feedback. On 11/06/2012 08:19 AM, Jefry Lagrange wrote: Hello, I've been working for quite some time in a protocol extension to allow file sharing. I have a (some-what) working prototype of its implementation. The prototype is available at Gajim's plugin repository: http://hg.gajim.org/gajim-plugins It doesn't do a lot, but it can share files between computers. Although the code is in alpha stage everyone who is brave enough is welcomed to try it. I have attached a draft of the protocol extension. I would like some feedback on it. If it doesn't looks too bad, I would like to present it to the council by the end of the week. Cheers, -- With best regards, Sergey Dobrov, XMPP Developer and JRuDevels.org founder.
Re: [Standards] File sharing xep proposal
On 8 November 2012 18:41, Sergey Dobrov bin...@jrudevels.org wrote: On 11/09/2012 12:51 AM, Jefry Lagrange wrote: I have tried many different ways of making the protocol. The first time around, I modified xep0135 to include search capabilities. Someone told me, I think it was Matthew, that xep0135 abuses service discovery by using it too much. Also another thing that I noticed is that, data-forms make the xep0135 stanzas become really big, as they waste too much space. I actually don't understand hot is it possible to abuse service discovery. Maybe someone can explain? I believe the thread Jefry references is this one: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2011-November/025456.html Regards, Matthew
