[Standards] Fwd: Minutes 20140212

2014-02-13 Thread Kevin Smith
FYI


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From: Kevin Smith
Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:37 AM
Subject: Minutes 20140212
To: XMPP Council


Room logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/140212/

1) Roll call
Kev, Lance, Fippo and Tobias present. Matt absent with apologies.

2) http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html
Move to Draft?

+1 from those present. Matt has a fortnight to vote.

3) Select editors

Consensus to select all the volunteers who weren't already on Council
or Board  (no consensus that Board/Council Editors are undesirable,
but agreement that there were enough volunteers without doubling
duties). Kev to present to Board for ratification (now done).

4) XEP-0055

XEP-0055 has a XEP-0004 based method of field selection, as well as a
basic method. There was discussion at the recent summit about
deprecating the non-forms based method. Agreement from those present
that it was better to leave -55 as-is, and to propose a new XEP if
semantics are to be changed, as 55 has been widely deployed (in
varying states) for years.

5) Date of next meeting
2014-02-19 16:00Z

6) Any other business
None.

Fini


Re: [Standards] compression attacks

2014-02-13 Thread Thijs Alkemade

On 13 feb. 2014, at 01:04, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im wrote:

 While working on draft-sheffer-uta-tls-attacks with Yaron Sheffer this week, 
 he pointed out to me that the TIME and BREACH attacks might apply to 
 application-layer compression technologies such as XEP-0138 for XMPP. I 
 haven't looked into that in detail yet, but I figured I'd raise the issue 
 here for discussion.

Depends on what data you consider secret.

Passwords shouldn't be in the compressed stream, per XEP-0170. Other highly
sensitive data can be your contact list and the contents of your messages.
Both of these an attacker should not be able to trigger retransmissions of,
which complicates attacking them.

But it's likely the attacker will be able to extract information like is
jul...@example.lit on your roster?, did you receive a message from
jul...@example.lit in the past 32 kB? (the zlib window size) or did you
receive a message that included the phrase 'thermonuclear war' in the last 32
kB?.

Thijs


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