Re: [Standards] XEP-0332 Last Call comment summary

2014-11-05 Thread Lance Stout

> 2) The revision of the XEP in question is 0.3; note that there are comments 
> in the thread about the update to this revision which do not appear to be 
> answered:

I would also add:

h) The use of an  element is prohibited by the XML spec (can't start tags 
with 'xml' or variants thereof), and would need to be renamed.


- Lance

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Re: [Standards] XEP-0332 Last Call comment summary

2014-11-05 Thread Christian Schudt
I follow 3a). Generally the whole document is hard to understand for me.
Reasons for that are:
1. The introduction and motivation is written very abstract and it's hard to 
grasp the intent.
   It could use some friendly "How it works" section, similar to other XEPs.
2. Some terminology (like "XML telegram") is confusing.
3. It feels like the reader has to (deeply?) understand HTTP first, before he 
can understand (or comment on) XEP-332.
4. It has many references to other specifications, which you should understand 
first (XEP-0049, XEP-0137, XEP-0166, XEP-0131, SOAP, REST, Turtle, RDF, Sparql, 
some RFCs), although some are only examples.
5. Some elements like ibb, sipub, jingle feel odd. Can't they be put into the 
'xml' element?


-- Christian
 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 05. November 2014 um 16:42 Uhr
Von: "Dave Cridland" 
An: "XMPP Standards" 
Betreff: [Standards] XEP-0332 Last Call comment summary

This is a summary of Last Call comments concerning XEP-0332, and is a method of 
attempting to (re)stimulate discussion in order to get the XEP moved from 
Experimental. It does not constitute a formal action of Council, Board, or the 
XSF as a whole, nor set any kind of precedent - it results from a discussion 
about how to get things moving and I (personally) took it on.
 
1) Summary of Council positions: "All present -1 due to outstanding LC feedback 
and lack of positive LC comments."
 
This indicates that the Council felt that comments made during Last Call have 
had no response or resolution, and since there were no comments in favour of 
publication, the XEP remains in Proposed and does not advance to Draft at this 
time. The details are in XEP-0001, §7 and §8 for those wanting further 
information.
 
Note that the XEP has *not* moved to Rejected; that would require a separate 
vote by Council.
 
2) The revision of the XEP in question is 0.3; note that there are comments in 
the thread about the update to this revision which do not appear to be answered:
 
a) Specialization of the "first candidate" is counter to Jingle. See Note2 of 
§4.2.7
 
3) Last Call comments included (but are not limited to):
 
a) Many respondents did not understand the requirement for the protocol. No 
respondents were intending to implement.
 
b) A number of terms of art are introduced which are unique to this document. 
For example, "XMPP datagram", "telegram", "friendship", and so on.
 
c) Available mechanism choices: IBB may be better to be part of Jingle, and SI 
might be better replaced by Jingle FT.
 
d) Support references an earlier RFC for HTTP/1.1. Support for other versions 
(particular 2.0) is not specified.
 
e) Per-request flags used as capability signalling.
 
f) URI syntax seems incorrect WRT userinfo. In addition, use of a distinct 
scheme seems inadvisable.
 
g) Registration template assigns the XEP author as change controller.
 
There are three respondents in the Last Call, and there are no replies by the 
author.
 
Dave.


[Standards] XEP-0332 Last Call comment summary

2014-11-05 Thread Dave Cridland
This is a summary of Last Call comments concerning XEP-0332, and is a
method of attempting to (re)stimulate discussion in order to get the XEP
moved from Experimental. It does not constitute a formal action of Council,
Board, or the XSF as a whole, nor set any kind of precedent - it results
from a discussion about how to get things moving and I (personally) took it
on.

1) Summary of Council positions: "All present -1 due to outstanding LC
feedback and lack of positive LC comments."

This indicates that the Council felt that comments made during Last Call
have had no response or resolution, and since there were no comments in
favour of publication, the XEP remains in Proposed and does not advance to
Draft at this time. The details are in XEP-0001, §7 and §8 for those
wanting further information.

Note that the XEP has *not* moved to Rejected; that would require a
separate vote by Council.

2) The revision of the XEP in question is 0.3; note that there are comments
in the thread about the update to this revision which do not appear to be
answered:

a) Specialization of the "first candidate" is counter to Jingle. See Note2
of §4.2.7

3) Last Call comments included (but are not limited to):

a) Many respondents did not understand the requirement for the protocol. No
respondents were intending to implement.

b) A number of terms of art are introduced which are unique to this
document. For example, "XMPP datagram", "telegram", "friendship", and so on.

c) Available mechanism choices: IBB may be better to be part of Jingle, and
SI might be better replaced by Jingle FT.

d) Support references an earlier RFC for HTTP/1.1. Support for other
versions (particular 2.0) is not specified.

e) Per-request flags used as capability signalling.

f) URI syntax seems incorrect WRT userinfo. In addition, use of a distinct
scheme seems inadvisable.

g) Registration template assigns the XEP author as change controller.

There are three respondents in the Last Call, and there are no replies by
the author.

Dave.