Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Multi-User Gaming
> But if several people don't expect that under the title "Multi-User > Gaming" then we should look for a more appropriate title. Cool, we're in agreement then. I think the key point here is to contrast it with multiuser games where players use XMPP for chat and negotiate server connections via XMPP Jingle. Lets move this discussion to the new gaming list.
Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Multi-User Gaming
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:06:14PM -0400, Arc Riley wrote: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Dave Cridland > wrote: > >> I'd like to repeat my earlier request for the title of this XEP to > >> specify "in-band" gaming > > > > I hate the expression "in-band", actually, but "Multiplayer games > > over XMPP" would be a more useful title - I was expecting an > > XFire-style thing from the title. > > > I find "over XMPP" just as misleading in scope. > > We're doing out-of-band gaming over XMPP via Jingle ICE-UDP in our > game engine with XMPP handling server info announcements, ICE > negotiation, inter-game shared buddy lists and messaging. > > If we publish an XEP it should be clear by their titles what each is > designed for. Agreed. We started this protocol based on Game Sessions [1]. But we soon realized that our proposal gets far away from it, so we looked for another title. The goal of this proposal is to support any game which is suitable for XMPP. That means we want to use the strengths of XMPP [2] and not limit the use of XMPP by out-of-band data. So we had in mind that we don't want to limit that proposal to a special kind of games only for that games which aren't suitable for XMPP. But if several people don't expect that under the title "Multi-User Gaming" then we should look for a more appropriate title. > There are already a few gaming XEPs (and proto-XEPs) with extremely > niche use cases actually, it'd be nice to work on these (ie, xep-0196) > so they're more general purpose and suitable for standardization. We used User Gaming [3] for publishing active game sessions. But what other XEPs do you mean and how is the relation to this proposal? Do you think this proposal should be more modular or use more other XEPs? Or do you think there is no use case of this proposal? Best regards [1] http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/gamesessions.html [2] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0134.html#strengths [3] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0196.html smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Multi-User Gaming
I find "over XMPP" just as misleading in scope. We're doing out-of-band gaming over XMPP via Jingle ICE-UDP in our game engine with XMPP handling server info announcements, ICE negotiation, inter-game shared buddy lists and messaging. If we publish an XEP it should be clear by their titles what each is designed for. There are already a few gaming XEPs (and proto-XEPs) with extremely niche use cases actually, it'd be nice to work on these (ie, xep-0196) so they're more general purpose and suitable for standardization. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: > On Wed Apr 15 22:22:44 2009, Arc Riley wrote: > >> I'd like to repeat my earlier request for the title of this XEP to specify >> "in-band" gaming >> >> >> I hate the expression "in-band", actually, but "Multiplayer games over > XMPP" would be a more useful title - I was expecting an XFire-style thing > from the title. > > Dave > -- > Dave Cridland - mailto:d...@cridland.net - > xmpp:d...@dave.cridland.net > - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ > - http://dave.cridland.net/ > Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade >
Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Multi-User Gaming
On Wed Apr 15 22:22:44 2009, Arc Riley wrote: I'd like to repeat my earlier request for the title of this XEP to specify "in-band" gaming I hate the expression "in-band", actually, but "Multiplayer games over XMPP" would be a more useful title - I was expecting an XFire-style thing from the title. Dave -- Dave Cridland - mailto:d...@cridland.net - xmpp:d...@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade
Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Multi-User Gaming
I'd like to repeat my earlier request for the title of this XEP to specify "in-band" gaming thanks On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:12 PM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Multi-User Gaming > > Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension for multi-user > gaming. > > URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/multi-user_gaming.html > > The XMPP Council will decide at its next meeting whether to accept this > proposal as an official XEP. > >
[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Multi-User Gaming
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Multi-User Gaming Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension for multi-user gaming. URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/multi-user_gaming.html The XMPP Council will decide at its next meeting whether to accept this proposal as an official XEP.
