Re: [Standards] [XEP-0264] thumbnails: we should be able to transmit them with XEP-0234
Le samedi 24 février 2018, 18:25:26 CET Kim Alvefur a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 09:12:30AM +0100, Goffi wrote: > > currently thumbnails are transmitted using http(s) or BoB (XEP-0231). > > But with resolutions we can have todays even on small screens, size of > > images is growing. Transmitting them using BoB can block the > > connection and is a useless waste of bandwidth. > > What size thumbnails are we talking here? At what point does it become a > problem to BoB them and what quality do people expect from thumbnails? And other issue I forgot to mention : with BoB I have to send data through the server, while in my use case data will in many cases stay on the same local network. ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___
Re: [Standards] [XEP-0264] thumbnails: we should be able to transmit them with XEP-0234
Le samedi 24 février 2018, 18:25:26 CET Kim Alvefur a écrit : > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 09:12:30AM +0100, Goffi wrote: > > currently thumbnails are transmitted using http(s) or BoB (XEP-0231). > > But with resolutions we can have todays even on small screens, size of > > images is growing. Transmitting them using BoB can block the > > connection and is a useless waste of bandwidth. > > What size thumbnails are we talking here? At what point does it become a > problem to BoB them and what quality do people expect from thumbnails? It 's not only the size, it's also the quantity. I'm thinking about a photos album, say you have 50 pictures/page and so 50 thumbnails, with XEP-0234 you can get all thumbnails out of band in the same session, with BoB you have to greatly increase the bandwith and number of requests. ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___
Re: [Standards] [XEP-0264] thumbnails: we should be able to transmit them with XEP-0234
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 09:12:30AM +0100, Goffi wrote: > currently thumbnails are transmitted using http(s) or BoB (XEP-0231). > But with resolutions we can have todays even on small screens, size of > images is growing. Transmitting them using BoB can block the > connection and is a useless waste of bandwidth. What size thumbnails are we talking here? At what point does it become a problem to BoB them and what quality do people expect from thumbnails? -- Zash Let them eat blur signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___
Re: [Standards] [XEP-0264] thumbnails: we should be able to transmit them with XEP-0234
At which point it's no longer P2P and you might as well use https, which also works with multiple clients unlike P2P/turn. On February 24, 2018 12:07:51 PM EST, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: >Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:24:39 -0500 >Travis Burtrum wrote: > >> Unfortunately you also can't reasonably expect P2P to work today in >> most cases because everyone is behind a NAT including most mobile >> phone networks. So https is still your best bet, and since most >> servers support http upload it's already done for you. > >This problem is solved already by TURN servers. >___ >Standards mailing list >Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards >Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org >___ ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___
Re: [Standards] [XEP-0264] thumbnails: we should be able to transmit them with XEP-0234
Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:24:39 -0500 Travis Burtrum wrote: > Unfortunately you also can't reasonably expect P2P to work today in > most cases because everyone is behind a NAT including most mobile > phone networks. So https is still your best bet, and since most > servers support http upload it's already done for you. This problem is solved already by TURN servers. ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___
Re: [Standards] [XEP-0264] thumbnails: we should be able to transmit them with XEP-0234
Unfortunately you also can't reasonably expect P2P to work today in most cases because everyone is behind a NAT including most mobile phone networks. So https is still your best bet, and since most servers support http upload it's already done for you. On February 24, 2018 3:12:30 AM EST, Goffi wrote: >Hello, > >currently thumbnails are transmitted using http(s) or BoB (XEP-0231). >But >with resolutions we can have todays even on small screens, size of >images >is growing. Transmitting them using BoB can block the connection and is >a >useless waste of bandwidth. I'm thinking about P2P transmission, so >http is >not an option here. As XEP-0234 is able to transmit several files in >the >same session, it would be a good candidate for that. > >Doesn anybody see an issue with using XEP-0234 for that? If no I'll >propose >the change on the XEP. > >Goffi > > >___ >Standards mailing list >Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards >Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org >___ ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___