Re: [Standards] XEP-0071 v. 1.4pre1

2008-08-07 Thread Pavel Simerda
None forbids their implementation, but do you think every client should
implement them?

Pavel

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:18:19 -0600
Joe Hildebrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Implementation experience has shown that table and friends is  
 strongly demanded by users, mostly because of copy/paste from
 Excel. I think we should consider their inclusion in the future, if
 we're going to open XEP-71 back up.
 
 On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
 
  In accordance with recent list discussion, I have provisionally  
  modified XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM).
 
  Rendered text: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0071-1.4.html
 
  Changelog: Encouraged support for several more structural elements  
  from the text module (blockquote, cite, em, and strong); further  
  clarified security considerations regarding fetching and  
  presentation of images; modified several examples; clarified
  several points throughout the text.
 
  SVN diff: http://is.gd/1h2G
 
  /psa
 


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Re: [Standards] XEP-0071 v. 1.4pre1

2008-08-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre

Pavel Simerda wrote:


On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:18:19 -0600
Joe Hildebrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Implementation experience has shown that table and friends is  
strongly demanded by users, mostly because of copy/paste from

Excel. I think we should consider their inclusion in the future, if
we're going to open XEP-71 back up.


None forbids their implementation, but do you think every client should
implement them?


In fact tables are currently forbidden, because the Table Module from 
XHTML Modularization is not part of the definition for XHTML-IM. 
Elements like em and strong are currently allowed (they're part of 
the Text Module) but not encouraged.


IMHO adding a new module is a much bigger change than no longer 
discouraging particular elements or attributes from a module that's 
currently supported. I think we'd need a strong consensus to add a new 
module.


Question: how do we expect an existing XHTML-IM implementation to behave 
if it receives content that include a table? Does it follow the ignore 
rule from XHTML? If so, I think the presentation would be sub-optimal. 
Or does it return an error? (In fact, error handling is not very well 
defined for XHTML-IM right now, hmm)


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Re: [Standards] XEP-0071 v. 1.4pre1

2008-08-06 Thread Joe Hildebrand
Implementation experience has shown that table and friends is  
strongly demanded by users, mostly because of copy/paste from Excel.   
I think we should consider their inclusion in the future, if we're  
going to open XEP-71 back up.


On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

In accordance with recent list discussion, I have provisionally  
modified XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM).


Rendered text: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0071-1.4.html

Changelog: Encouraged support for several more structural elements  
from the text module (blockquote, cite, em, and strong); further  
clarified security considerations regarding fetching and  
presentation of images; modified several examples; clarified several  
points throughout the text.


SVN diff: http://is.gd/1h2G

/psa