Re: [Stripes-users] auto
Hi Joaquin, What exactly are you thinking about ? Widget-only tools like http://metawidget.org/ or a full stack a la rails ? Cheers Remi 2012/3/9 Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com UI generation? Is there such a thing for Stripes? Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] auto
Wow, this metawidget stuff looks really nice. Remi, do you have any experience using it together with Stripes? W dniu 09.03.2012 10:17, VANKEISBELCK Remi pisze: Hi Joaquin, What exactly are you thinking about ? Widget-only tools like http://metawidget.org/ or a full stack a la rails ? -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] auto
Yeah they've been busy apparently ! Last time I checked it wasn't that advanced. Nope I haven't really used that myself, I only took it for a spin quite a while ago, just to have a look... They don't seem to integrate with the Stripes taglib. One could write the necessary adaptors : metawidget is all about this, it basically grabs the more metadata it can from your environment (domain models etc) and spits out GUIs magically for the target platform. I remember concluding it was a very interesting project but too complex for what I need everyday. I mean, generating GUIs is a graal many have tried to find, but in my own experience it's impossible to abstract a User Interface completely : you will definitly need to put your hands in the dirt eventually. There's no practical meta model for describing User Interfaces as far as I know. And anyways I'm always (even morethat usually) skeptical when something has the word meta in it :) Still, these tools can help a lot in terative development, they allow to build faster on top of something solid. The only drawnback is when the framework gets into your way and makes it harder to do what you want. Metawidget is probably heavy stuff if you only target Stripes. It would shine in a multi-platform environment where you need GUIs that run in Swing, in a webapp etc. But this type of approach, as far as I know, has always failed as well... Write once run anywhere ain't happening yet in the GUI world... Cheers Remi 2012/3/9 Grzegorz Krugły g...@karko.net Wow, this metawidget stuff looks really nice. Remi, do you have any experience using it together with Stripes? W dniu 09.03.2012 10:17, VANKEISBELCK Remi pisze: Hi Joaquin, What exactly are you thinking about ? Widget-only tools like http://metawidget.org/ or a full stack a la rails ? -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] auto
Hi all, Write once run anywhere ain't happening yet in the GUI world... I disagree. We have been using Media Queries, part of the so called Responsive Design, and have been quite successful with it. There is no GUI generated magically, just plain normal CSS at work. http://mediaqueri.es/ has some great examples of sites using it. Cheers, -- Samuel Santos http://www.samaxes.com/ 2012/3/9 VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.com Yeah they've been busy apparently ! Last time I checked it wasn't that advanced. Nope I haven't really used that myself, I only took it for a spin quite a while ago, just to have a look... They don't seem to integrate with the Stripes taglib. One could write the necessary adaptors : metawidget is all about this, it basically grabs the more metadata it can from your environment (domain models etc) and spits out GUIs magically for the target platform. I remember concluding it was a very interesting project but too complex for what I need everyday. I mean, generating GUIs is a graal many have tried to find, but in my own experience it's impossible to abstract a User Interface completely : you will definitly need to put your hands in the dirt eventually. There's no practical meta model for describing User Interfaces as far as I know. And anyways I'm always (even morethat usually) skeptical when something has the word meta in it :) Still, these tools can help a lot in terative development, they allow to build faster on top of something solid. The only drawnback is when the framework gets into your way and makes it harder to do what you want. Metawidget is probably heavy stuff if you only target Stripes. It would shine in a multi-platform environment where you need GUIs that run in Swing, in a webapp etc. But this type of approach, as far as I know, has always failed as well... Write once run anywhere ain't happening yet in the GUI world... Cheers Remi 2012/3/9 Grzegorz Krugły g...@karko.net Wow, this metawidget stuff looks really nice. Remi, do you have any experience using it together with Stripes? W dniu 09.03.2012 10:17, VANKEISBELCK Remi pisze: Hi Joaquin, What exactly are you thinking about ? Widget-only tools like http://metawidget.org/ or a full stack a la rails ? -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] auto
Hi Remi! I was thinking more along the lines of a full stack thing that worked with Stripes. Joaquin On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:17 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote: Hi Joaquin, What exactly are you thinking about ? Widget-only tools like http://metawidget.org/ or a full stack a la rails ? Cheers Remi 2012/3/9 Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com UI generation? Is there such a thing for Stripes? Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com 541-690-8593 -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] auto
Hi Joaquim, Stripes does not have such thing. Cheers, -- Samuel Santos http://www.samaxes.com/ On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Remi! I was thinking more along the lines of a full stack thing that worked with Stripes. Joaquin On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:17 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote: Hi Joaquin, What exactly are you thinking about ? Widget-only tools like http://metawidget.org/ or a full stack a la rails ? Cheers Remi 2012/3/9 Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com UI generation? Is there such a thing for Stripes? Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com 541-690-8593 -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] auto
I was thinking of write once (or more exactly *specify* once) and run anywhere : Java, iPhone, Android, Web, Fash, you-name-it. There ain't even no such thing as CSS in Swing :P 2012/3/9 Samuel Santos sama...@gmail.com Hi all, Write once run anywhere ain't happening yet in the GUI world... I disagree. We have been using Media Queries, part of the so called Responsive Design, and have been quite successful with it. There is no GUI generated magically, just plain normal CSS at work. http://mediaqueri.es/ has some great examples of sites using it. Cheers, -- Samuel Santos http://www.samaxes.com/ 2012/3/9 VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.com Yeah they've been busy apparently ! Last time I checked it wasn't that advanced. Nope I haven't really used that myself, I only took it for a spin quite a while ago, just to have a look... They don't seem to integrate with the Stripes taglib. One could write the necessary adaptors : metawidget is all about this, it basically grabs the more metadata it can from your environment (domain models etc) and spits out GUIs magically for the target platform. I remember concluding it was a very interesting project but too complex for what I need everyday. I mean, generating GUIs is a graal many have tried to find, but in my own experience it's impossible to abstract a User Interface completely : you will definitly need to put your hands in the dirt eventually. There's no practical meta model for describing User Interfaces as far as I know. And anyways I'm always (even morethat usually) skeptical when something has the word meta in it :) Still, these tools can help a lot in terative development, they allow to build faster on top of something solid. The only drawnback is when the framework gets into your way and makes it harder to do what you want. Metawidget is probably heavy stuff if you only target Stripes. It would shine in a multi-platform environment where you need GUIs that run in Swing, in a webapp etc. But this type of approach, as far as I know, has always failed as well... Write once run anywhere ain't happening yet in the GUI world... Cheers Remi 2012/3/9 Grzegorz Krugły g...@karko.net Wow, this metawidget stuff looks really nice. Remi, do you have any experience using it together with Stripes? W dniu 09.03.2012 10:17, VANKEISBELCK Remi pisze: Hi Joaquin, What exactly are you thinking about ? Widget-only tools like http://metawidget.org/ or a full stack a la rails ? -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
[Stripes-users] Fwd: auto
Sorry sent it to Samuel only... -- Forwarded message -- From: VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.com Date: 2012/3/9 Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] auto To: Samuel Santos sama...@gmail.com I disagree :) Joaquim, if you want, have a look at Woko : v1.x : http://pojosontheweb.wikispaces.com/ (no longer maintained) v2.0 : https://github.com/vankeisb/woko2/wiki (will soon be relased, we're in beta) It's a home-made framework that I've been building with friends through the years and that is getting quite cool. It's full stack, with persistence (JPA), user profiling, UI generation, RPC and more. I didn't want to make an official announcement before we ship 2.0 (I will : Woko is definitly built on Stripes), but I invite you to take the framework for a spin if you want : https://github.com/vankeisb/woko2/wiki/Tutorial It still requires polishing (we're on it) but it's usable. Don't hesitate to contact us : https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/woko-devel Cheers Remi 2012/3/9 Samuel Santos sama...@gmail.com Hi Joaquim, Stripes does not have such thing. Cheers, -- Samuel Santos http://www.samaxes.com/ On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Remi! I was thinking more along the lines of a full stack thing that worked with Stripes. Joaquin On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:17 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi wrote: Hi Joaquin, What exactly are you thinking about ? Widget-only tools like http://metawidget.org/ or a full stack a la rails ? Cheers Remi 2012/3/9 Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com UI generation? Is there such a thing for Stripes? Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com 541-690-8593 -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
