Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
I agree... I guess that if you needed to develop a Rich Web Application (like Yahoo mail) you would use a framework like Wicket or ZK. That's not impossible to do it with Stripes and a javascript library like JQuery but it will take more development time... If you do not need such a Rich Application you better use Stripes because it is simplier to learn and really well documented ! You have to compare things that are comparable like Stripes vs. Spring MVC or Wicket vs ZK ! 2009/4/2 Levi Hoogenberg levihoogenb...@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:23 AM, azizi yazit aziziya...@gmail.com wrote: If we compare wicket hello world example with stripes hello world example, we will see which framework is the best choice. Surely you can't be serious? I like Stripes a lot, but I haven't been doing that many projects in which all of the pages consisted of a single text field. Deciding which frameworks you use on a project depends on completely different factors in my experience. Of course, how soon new developers on the project that haven't used a particular framework are up to speed with it is a factor, but to find out whether that is the case you'll need more than the typical hello world sample. Levi -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
Ok. Noted! On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Simon spyd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree... I guess that if you needed to develop a Rich Web Application (like Yahoo mail) you would use a framework like Wicket or ZK. That's not impossible to do it with Stripes and a javascript library like JQuery but it will take more development time... If you do not need such a Rich Application you better use Stripes because it is simplier to learn and really well documented ! You have to compare things that are comparable like Stripes vs. Spring MVC or Wicket vs ZK ! 2009/4/2 Levi Hoogenberg levihoogenb...@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:23 AM, azizi yazit aziziya...@gmail.com wrote: If we compare wicket hello world example with stripes hello world example, we will see which framework is the best choice. Surely you can't be serious? I like Stripes a lot, but I haven't been doing that many projects in which all of the pages consisted of a single text field. Deciding which frameworks you use on a project depends on completely different factors in my experience. Of course, how soon new developers on the project that haven't used a particular framework are up to speed with it is a factor, but to find out whether that is the case you'll need more than the typical hello world sample. Levi -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
I think it's the first really negative post I read about Wicket, and I second Freddy, it's nicely written, good points. Cheers Remi 2009/3/27 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm: A nice nod to Stripes at the end. Nice write-up, tieTYT! http://tietyt.blogspot.com/2009/03/top-8-reasons-i-dont-use-wicket.html -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
DZone'd it. I totally expect to get a whole lot of down votes. :) http://www.dzone.com/links/the_top_8_reasons_i_dont_use_wicket.html On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.com wrote: I think it's the first really negative post I read about Wicket, and I second Freddy, it's nicely written, good points. Cheers Remi 2009/3/27 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm: A nice nod to Stripes at the end. Nice write-up, tieTYT! http://tietyt.blogspot.com/2009/03/top-8-reasons-i-dont-use-wicket.html -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
Well to each his own, and that's one nice thing about the Java framework world - there's something for everybody. However I looked at Wicket and Tapestry for a while and could never figure out why anybody would ever want to write an application that way, so I decided it must be one of those basic brain wiring issues. I suppose my preferences seem bizarre to a Wicket fan :-) On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.com wrote: I think it's the first really negative post I read about Wicket, and I second Freddy, it's nicely written, good points. Cheers Remi 2009/3/27 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm: A nice nod to Stripes at the end. Nice write-up, tieTYT! http://tietyt.blogspot.com/2009/03/top-8-reasons-i-dont-use-wicket.html -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Turtle, turtle, on the ground, Pink and shiny, turn around. -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
gdboling.stri...@gmail.com said: DZone'd it. I totally expect to get a whole lot of down votes. :) http://www.dzone.com/links/the_top_8_reasons_i_dont_use_wicket.html Well you'll get my up vote. And hopefully other Stripers will up vote enough to counter all the angry Wicketeers ;) -- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
p wicket:id=messageThis is replaced/p
public HelloWorldPage() {
Label component = new Label(message, Hello World!);
add(component);
add(new Label(wicketId, dynamicTitle);.
}
UGH ... Why would you want to write an app like that? It's like a swing app,
which is ok, except you still _have_ the template only you've moved what would
be simple template code into their strange java api. If that's really how you
add the title to the page I'd imagine new developers will be bringing up the
javadoc for a long time. I've looked at the stripes java doc maybe 15 times
over 2 years, it's so simple the wiki covers 80% in 60 minutes.
I might give it a try just to see how awkward it is, maybe it eventually leads
to benefits and I am being shortsighted. I definitely buy the 'more java code
is good for refactoring tools' argument. Even if you use wicket and refactor
like crazy you still have to go over your templates by hand like stripes ... so
at the end of the day it's probably not a huge gain. I'd like to see a
reasonably sized example, like the stripes calculator written in wicket.
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Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
Well to each his own, and that's one nice thing about the Java
framework world - there's something for everybody. However I looked at
Wicket and Tapestry for a while and could never figure out why anybody
would ever want to write an application that way, so I decided it must
be one of those basic brain wiring issues. I suppose my preferences
seem bizarre to a Wicket fan :-)
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.com wrote:
I think it's the first really negative post I read about Wicket, and I
second Freddy, it's nicely written, good points.
Cheers
Remi
2009/3/27 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm:
A nice nod to Stripes at the end.
Nice write-up, tieTYT!
http://tietyt.blogspot.com/2009/03/top-8-reasons-i-dont-use-wicket.html
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Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
Yeah, I guess the web is not Swing and it will never be, huh?
The sooner people understand it, the better for them (and for us, who
have to go through "another desktop-like framework for the web"
every couple of years and see that it just doesn't work that way. The
HTML and the DOM are not Swing components and will never be. I would
love the existence of a committee that could ban component oriented
paradigms in web frameworks :)
Cosmin
"p wicket:id="message"This is replaced/p"
public HelloWorldPage() {
Label component = new Label("message", "Hello World!");
add(component);
add(new Label("wicketId", "dynamicTitle");.
}
UGH ... Why would you want to write an app like that? It's like a swing app, which is ok, except you still _have_ the template only you've moved what would be simple template code into their strange java api. If that's really how you add the title to the page I'd imagine new developers will be bringing up the javadoc for a long time. I've looked at the stripes java doc maybe 15 times over 2 years, it's so simple the wiki covers 80% in 60 minutes.
I might give it a try just to see how awkward it is, maybe it eventually leads to benefits and I am being shortsighted. I definitely buy the 'more java code is good for refactoring tools' argument. Even if you use wicket and refactor like crazy you still have to go over your templates by hand like stripes ... so at the end of the day it's probably not a huge gain. I'd like to see a reasonably sized example, like the stripes calculator written in wicket.
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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] tieTYT blog post Wicket/Stripes
Well to each his own, and that's one nice thing about the Java
framework world - there's something for everybody. However I looked at
Wicket and Tapestry for a while and could never figure out why anybody
would ever want to write an application that way, so I decided it must
be one of those "basic brain wiring" issues. I suppose my preferences
seem bizarre to a Wicket fan :-)
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, VANKEISBELCK Remi r...@rvkb.com wrote:
I think it's the first really negative post I read about Wicket, and I
second Freddy, it's nicely written, good points.
Cheers
Remi
2009/3/27 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm:
A nice nod to Stripes at the end.
Nice write-up, tieTYT!
http://tietyt.blogspot.com/2009/03/top-8-reasons-i-dont-use-wicket.html
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