RE: [ANNOUNCE] Shameless Plug: Struts Kick Start now available for shipping at Amazon
looks like a good buy, but how do u feel your book is different or offers something advantageous in comparison to Chuck Cavaness' or Craig's book? -Original Message- From: James Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Shameless Plug: Struts Kick Start now available for shipping at Amazon Well, I may not have gotten my copies yet from the publisher, but you can order Struts Kick Start now from Amazon for immediate delivery: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0672324725 Buy one, buy two. They make great stocking stuffers. Use them as door stops. Learn to use the enclosed CD as a lethal thrown weapon. Fun for the whole family. _ James ICQ#: 8239923 More ways to contact me: http://wwp.icq.com/8239923 See more about me: http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=8239923 _ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This message contains information intended solely for the addressee, which is confidential or private in nature and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or any file attached to this message. Any such unauthorised use, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the original message from your machine. Furthermore, the information contained in this message, and any attachments thereto, is for information purposes only and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of Dimension Data (South Africa) (Proprietary) Limited or its subsidiaries and associated companies (Dimension Data). Dimension Data therefore does not accept liability for any claims, loss or damages of whatsoever nature, arising as a result of the reliance on such information by anyone. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, Dimension Data accepts no liability or responsibility whatsoever if information or data is, for whatsoever reason, incorrect, corrupted or does not reach its intended destination. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCE] Shameless Plug: Struts Kick Start now available for shipping at Amazon
thanx for the info guys, i think everyones done a damn nice job of it all, i've decided that I'm just going to have to buy all 3, i just can't seem to decide which one or two to buyexcellent job!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:37 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Shameless Plug: Struts Kick Start now available for shipping at Amazon As James co-author, let me speak to this. To begin with - I'd like to say that all authors that have put together books on Struts have put a lot of work into it and have all done well. I've read most all the books that are currently available and have to honest - they're all good! No bad words about any of them. Certainly, as well, I'd feel better if someone on the list who has seen the book stepped in to answer this. Better probably for everyone to get an unbiased answer. Kind of hard for me, really, to be unbiased! :- That being said, we did take specific steps to differentiate: - We include a CD-ROM with Struts, JDK 1.4, mysql, strutstestcase, the struts console, Junit, ant, cactus, Axis, JBoss, etc so all code is included for windows and Linux. - We have working sample code for almost every struts tag. It's designed for cutting and pasting. - We provided working sample apps including code, build scripts and step by step instructions for integration with JBoss for EJB's and Axis for Web Services - We provided coverage of Ant build scripts, JUnit and Cactus testing with struts test case. That's enough I guess to just say that we worked hard to create a good, usable book. We're currently working with a couple of developer sites to arrange publication of more sample chapters.The people at SAMS are doing a great job with the promotions. And again, I've read Chuck's book and really liked it. While I haven't read Ted, et al's book it looks great as well - and Ted has made such a unique contribution to Struts that he's certainly earned a special place. (Ted's publisher Manning has put out some great titles recently including Erik Hatcher's Ant book). If anyone has more specific questions I'd prefer to take them off list unless the person believes their discussion is of value to the wider audience of Struts users. Thanks for asking! Kevin http://www.strutskickstart.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 12/13/2002 10:10:59 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) Subject:RE: [ANNOUNCE] Shameless Plug: Struts Kick Start now available fo r shipping at Amazon looks like a good buy, but how do u feel your book is different or offers something advantageous in comparison to Chuck Cavaness' or Craig's book? -Original Message- From: James Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Shameless Plug: Struts Kick Start now available for shipping at Amazon Well, I may not have gotten my copies yet from the publisher, but you can order Struts Kick Start now from Amazon for immediate delivery: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0672324725 Buy one, buy two. They make great stocking stuffers. Use them as door stops. Learn to use the enclosed CD as a lethal thrown weapon. Fun for the whole family. _ James ICQ#: 8239923 More ways to contact me: http://wwp.icq.com/8239923 See more about me: http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=8239923 _ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This message contains information intended solely for the addressee, which is confidential or private in nature and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or any file attached to this message. Any such unauthorised use, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the original message from your machine. Furthermore, the information contained in this message, and any attachments thereto, is for information purposes only and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of Dimension Data (South Africa) (Proprietary) Limited or its subsidiaries and associated companies (Dimension Data). Dimension Data therefore does not accept liability for any claims, loss or damages of whatsoever nature, arising as a result of the reliance on such information by anyone. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, Dimension Data
RE: future of struts
Nicely said!! -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: future of struts edgar writes: Unfortunately, an innordinately large percentage of development time is spent with the tag library, as even a casual perusal of this list reveals. I think that's mostly about not understanding how to develop with tags, especially in a Model 2 architecture. It's a very different approach than developing an app with Model 1 and scriplets. Much of the problem, I think, is that people try to put old wine into new bottles. I did some work in Cold Fusion before Struts, so the tag and tool approaches seemed quite natural to me. I've also written applications in so many environments now, that I've long started to see the database as one thing and the presentation as another. So Model 2 came naturally tool. IMHO, what helps the most is drawing a firmer contrast between the Struts Core and the rest of the presentation layer. The Struts tags are one example of how to expose the Struts framework core to the presentation page. Struts-el, stxx, the Velocity View tools, and the (upcoming) struts-faces, are other ways of exposing the core framework components to the presentation page. Properly designed, you should be able to use your Struts controller with any these presentation layers. Where I think people run into problems is that they try to do controller things in the presentation page and presentation things in the controller. Like Vic said, if you are having trouble doing some thing with the tags, it's usually because you are doing too little with the controller. In a MVC/Model 2 application, the presentation page should be a glorified mail merge job. It shouldn't do anything but output what the controller has given it to output. In the future, there will be more Struts appplication using even more presentation layers, the Struts tags, the EL tags, the JSF tags, the Velocity View tools, XLST, Jelly, and whatever else we think of next =:0) But behind all this chrome, there can still be the same core framework holding all the pieces together. -Ted. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This message contains information intended solely for the addressee, which is confidential or private in nature and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or any file attached to this message. Any such unauthorised use, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the original message from your machine. Furthermore, the information contained in this message, and any attachments thereto, is for information purposes only and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of Dimension Data (South Africa) (Proprietary) Limited or its subsidiaries and associated companies (Dimension Data). Dimension Data therefore does not accept liability for any claims, loss or damages of whatsoever nature, arising as a result of the reliance on such information by anyone. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, Dimension Data accepts no liability or responsibility whatsoever if information or data is, for whatsoever reason, incorrect, corrupted or does not reach its intended destination. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
which one to buy? Struts books? Any ideas?
Hi all, here is a list of struts books available, without being biased, can anyone tell me which books will be worth buying, and why? I'm not new to struts, although i haven't been using it for a year or so. I need to have a decent book to bring me up to date with the latest struts goodies. Also, preferably with some advanced struts stuff. Programming Jakarta Struts by Chuck Cavaness; Paperback Not yet published Date added: November 4, 2002 Struts in Action: Building Web Applications with the Leading Java Framework by Ted Husted, Craig R. McClanahan (Foreword); Paperback Not yet published Date added: November 4, 2002 Mastering Jakarta Strutsby James Goodwill; Paperback This message contains information intended solely for the addressee, which is confidential or private in nature and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or any file attached to this message. Any such unauthorised use, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the original message from your machine. Furthermore, the information contained in this message, and any attachments thereto, is for information purposes only and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of Dimension Data (South Africa) (Proprietary) Limited or its subsidiaries and associated companies (Dimension Data). Dimension Data therefore does not accept liability for any claims, loss or damages of whatsoever nature, arising as a result of the reliance on such information by anyone. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, Dimension Data accepts no liability or responsibility whatsoever if information or data is, for whatsoever reason, incorrect, corrupted or does not reach its intended destination. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: which one to buy? Struts books? Any ideas?
thanx for all the input guys, I reckon I will probably buy both. Neither of the two books listed in my original email have been published yet, I was just doing my homework so long. But I reckon both seem to be pretty good. Well done to the brave authors!!! I WILL BUY -Original Message- From: Peter A. J. Pilgrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:14 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: which one to buy? Struts books? Any ideas? Edwards Robert (air0rae) wrote: I actually bought the Goodwill book and returned it a few days later. (It was the only struts book at the store at the time). Many examples failed (Using netbeans for the IDE). The book seemed like it was missing something through the first few chapters. I decided to save my money and get a better book later. -Original Message- From: Butler, Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:36 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: which one to buy? Struts books? Any ideas? The Goodwill book clearly got rushed to market without adequate editorial care. It claims to use 1.1 in the examples, but there are so many serious inconsistencies between the text and examples that 1.1 must have been last-minute addition. I saw this book in the UK at Digital Art Worlds 9th November 2002. It was definitely rush released. It is was missing the state-of-the-art no dyna beans, no sub application ( ie modules ). Not enough information compared to what we could see from Chuck Cavaness as a TheServerSide.com pre-release. BTW: Is the Chuck's book release in the USA. I enquired in London at the PCBookshop.co.uk and they saw December release, which is just as well. -- Peter Pilgrim ServerSide Java Specialist My on-line resume and for interview videos about myself, J2EE Open Source, Struts and Expresso. || \\=== `` http://www.xenonsoft.demon.co.uk/no-it-striker.html '' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This message contains information intended solely for the addressee, which is confidential or private in nature and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or any file attached to this message. Any such unauthorised use, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the original message from your machine. Furthermore, the information contained in this message, and any attachments thereto, is for information purposes only and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of Dimension Data (South Africa) (Proprietary) Limited or its subsidiaries and associated companies (Dimension Data). Dimension Data therefore does not accept liability for any claims, loss or damages of whatsoever nature, arising as a result of the reliance on such information by anyone. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, Dimension Data accepts no liability or responsibility whatsoever if information or data is, for whatsoever reason, incorrect, corrupted or does not reach its intended destination. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
anyone had the chance to evaluate any Struts books?
Hi all, I want to buy a good struts manual/book. I see there's a couple on Amazon.com. Any comments as to which ones are good? thx This message contains information intended solely for the addressee, which is confidential or private in nature and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or any file attached to this message. Any such unauthorised use, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the original message from your machine. Furthermore, the information contained in this message, and any attachments thereto, is for information purposes only and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of Dimension Data (South Africa) (Proprietary) Limited or its subsidiaries and associated companies (Dimension Data). Dimension Data therefore does not accept liability for any claims, loss or damages of whatsoever nature, arising as a result of the reliance on such information by anyone. Whilst all reasonable steps are taken to ensure the accuracy and integrity of information transmitted electronically and to preserve the confidentiality thereof, Dimension Data accepts no liability or responsibility whatsoever if information or data is, for whatsoever reason, incorrect, corrupted or does not reach its intended destination. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:struts-user-help;jakarta.apache.org
