Re: Documentation for writing custom validators available?

2002-08-31 Thread micael



At 07:43 PM 8/30/2002 -0600, you wrote:
Is there any documentation available that shows how to implement a custom 
validator for a field form with the validator? I've read the section in 
the O'Reilly book, but I found it to be more confusing than helpful.

Thanks,


david


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Don't know exactly what you have in mind, David, but there is this general 
statement which I have found useful and is probably completely off the 
point you are trying to get to.  Won't hurt to try, I suppose.

Extending the scope of the struts validation
From: Frangois Rey
Subject: Extending the scope of the struts validation
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 07:32:15 -0700

You may remember some of my earlier postings about a mapper framework that 
we use as a
validation framework. I now have the support in my company to make it open 
source.
However, I first would prefer to:

1- Invite the community to realize that a validation framework, definitely 
required in
Struts, is only part of a larger requirement.
2- Propose the extension of the scope of the TO DO item for validation so 
that is does
a bit more than just validation but also convert the value and transfer 
them to where
they should end up.

I know I've already approached this topic in my previous postings, but I 
there hasn't
been much follow up on this. However I still believe those that have 
developed web
applications with Struts have been confronted to the same problems we have 
been trying
to solve. So instead of submitting a big zip file that may or may not get 
interest, I
first would like to share the reasons that led us to developing the mapper 
framework.

In our company, after evaluating a few options, we have chosen Struts as 
the base
framework for developing web applications. We have developed our own simple 
extensions
to Struts in order to provide added support for things like i18n and 
transaction
integrity. Form validation was also a top item in our list of needed 
extensions, but
looking at the Struts 1.1 TO DO list we decided to wait and see what the 
community
would come up with. For one of our customer project, we have looked at the 
validation
framework from David Winterfeldt in order to implement form validation. We 
were very
attracted to that framework because it offered configuration-based 
validation and also
client-side validation. However beyond the simple need to validate form 
properties, we
also needed to do type conversion (text-object) on each field and populate 
another
bean (a command bean) with the converted values. Having a framework that only
addressed the validation part meant that we would still need to do a lot of 
custom
coding in order to convert values and populate our command beans. And in 
addition to
this, we also needed to do type conversion and populate presentation beans 
when
receiving result messages from the backend, which means even more custom 
coding.

I think by now you should understand and hopefully agree with me that 
validation is
actually only the first part of larger need: once values have been 
validated, you need
to do something with them. Whatever is needed to do, it should not be the
responsibility of the ActionForm. The latter should remain a View object 
that is only
a placeholder for user input. Business logic should be separated into 
another set of
objects. Actions seem to be a good place for implementing this business 
logic. However
doing so ties the logic to the web application framework in a way that 
makes the reuse
of this logic outside of a web application difficult. So a good application 
architect
would usually factor this business logic into another set of objects that 
is not
dependent from the web application. Often these objects are actually just 
sending
requests to a backend where the real business logic resides. But whatever 
these
objects are (the real Model, a PreparedStatement, or a proxy to a Model layer
implemented on another server), the point is that these are objects which 
need to be
initialized and populated with the user input.

Coming back to our project: we have an EJB backend accessed with a messaging
framework: you send command messages (objects), and you get result messages 
(objects).
And of course we wanted to avoid lots of custom code in our actions because 
it's
tedious, not so fun to write, and increases the maintenance burden (more 
lines of
code). So we took the decision to develop the mapper framework. What we now 
have is
used almost all over the place in the application we're developing, for the 
things I
mentioned above: validation, type conversion, and bean population, and for 
both
directions: forms - command messages and result messages - presentation 
beans. The
code in our Actions.perform() has decreased dramatically to just a few 
things. When we
get to the Action, the ActionForm.validate() has successfully validated the 
user input
with its 

Documentation for writing custom validators available?

2002-08-30 Thread David Geary

Is there any documentation available that shows how to implement a 
custom validator for a field form with the validator? I've read the 
section in the O'Reilly book, but I found it to be more confusing than 
helpful.

Thanks,


david


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Re: Documentation for writing custom validators available?

2002-08-30 Thread Eddie Bush

David Winterfeldt has a site ... but I can't think of it right off.  I'm 
reasonably certain part of the URL has part of his last name in it, 
but I don't remember how much -- and searching the archive for his last 
name would probably give an exhaustive list.  *goes to check folder* ... 
you're in luck!

http://home.earthlink.net/~dwinterfeldt/

Try that out.  I don't know if you'll find it any more/less helpful than 
Chuck's book, but it's another resource :-)

Regards,

Eddie

David Geary wrote:

 Is there any documentation available that shows how to implement a 
 custom validator for a field form with the validator? I've read the 
 section in the O'Reilly book, but I found it to be more confusing than 
 helpful.

 Thanks,


 david 




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