Re: Flash+Struts how?

[V. Cekvenich]

Nothing wrong with Flash as View, in fact Flash is a good practice IMO 
(when used w/o Remoting or runtime costs).

Javascript/DHTML is just OK. We try to remove navigation and vlidation 
(menu and validator) but still its a mess in a JSP.

Applets are a bad practice, in my experience.

JSF is not here.
XForms has a lot of promise.
As does this Axis to Flash thing on dev list.

But people, lets watch the signal to noise ratio. Already people ask 
questions on dev. list that should be here (and there was a thread to 
start another mail list).
There is a lot of Friday, OT, Beer, etc., an no need to add just pure noise.

.V

Assenza, Chris wrote:
I suspect the original poster was just having him/herself a little fun with
the list using an anonymous email account knowing its history with the
topic. In that case, while I hate to admit it, Mark's reply was probably
quite apropos. =p

-Chris

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Yes, it does seem a bit off form.
Normally any reference to the F word really gets him going.
Maybe he's a bit under the weather this week?

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Mark Galbreath wrote:


Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts[...]


Nice attitude. I hope I misunderstood that reply...



Actually, knowing Mark, that was one of his more restrained replies. He's
mellowing in his old age. ;-)



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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Assenza, Chris]

I suspect the original poster was just having him/herself a little fun with
the list using an anonymous email account knowing its history with the
topic. In that case, while I hate to admit it, Mark's reply was probably
quite apropos. =p

-Chris

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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Flash+Struts how?


Yes, it does seem a bit off form.
Normally any reference to the F word really gets him going.
Maybe he's a bit under the weather this week?

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From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2003 04:02
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Subject: RE: Flash+Struts how?




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>Subject: Re: Flash+Struts how?
>
>
>Mark Galbreath wrote:
>> Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts[...]
>
>Nice attitude. I hope I misunderstood that reply...

Actually, knowing Mark, that was one of his more restrained replies. He's
mellowing in his old age. ;-)



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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Andrew Hill]

Yes, it does seem a bit off form.
Normally any reference to the F word really gets him going.
Maybe he's a bit under the weather this week?

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>Subject: Re: Flash+Struts how?
>
>
>Mark Galbreath wrote:
>> Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts[...]
>
>Nice attitude. I hope I misunderstood that reply...

Actually, knowing Mark, that was one of his more restrained replies. He's
mellowing in his old age. ;-)



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[OT] Re: Flash+Struts how?

[Eric Rizzo]

Joe Barefoot wrote:
> 
>> The Flash parses the XML and applies it to the UI appropriately.
>> Works quite well and with no noticeable CPU usage on the client - a
>> problem we had with the previous, complicated HTML interface for
>> this part of the app.
>
>
> I'd be curious as to what you're doing in HTML that could possibly
> consume more CPU than rendering anything in Flash.  I would assume
> you must have some massive JS arrays/functions to cause appreciable
> CPU consumption of the sort you describe.

Rendering of large and/or complex HTML tables in IE and Netscape can be 
pretty CPU-intensive for a short time. We noticed a short CPU spike 
every time that page was loaded - I at first assumed it was the 
action/business-logic/JSP-population that was responsible, but the 
minute we changed the output to send XML to Flash instead of HTML to 
browser, the spike totally disappeared.
It probably doesn't hurt that JDOM is lightning quick for outputting 
documents to a stream (small ones, at least) - I don't know how fast or 
slow the code is that Jasper generates from JSP (but I do know that it 
is ugly ;-).

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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Joe Barefoot]

> Anyway, to answer the original inquiry:
> A part of the UI of our app is a flash movie, and we chose to 
> integrate 
> it using XML. The Flash sends requests to our struts actions 
> (they look 
> like any other URL to Flash), but these particular actions return XML 
> instead of HTML. The Flash parses the XML and applies it to the UI 
> appropriately. Works quite well and with no noticeable CPU 
> usage on the 
> client - a problem we had with the previous, complicated HTML 
> interface 
> for this part of the app.

I'd be curious as to what you're doing in HTML that could possibly consume more CPU 
than rendering anything in Flash.  I would assume you must have some massive JS 
arrays/functions to cause appreciable CPU consumption of the sort you describe.



> There is also a relatively new feature of Flash MX that provides 
> integration between Flash and J2EE apps without using XML in between. 
> Although I haven't looked at it in detail, I bet it can be used with 
> Struts as well as "ordinary" servlets. See 
> 
> 
> HTH,
>   Eric
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Re: Flash+Struts how?

[V. Cekvenich]

I wish I could add something more, other than repeat what has been said:

http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg12987.html

It seems that Flash/SOAP/Beans is mostly Model/View, however it is very 
marketable.

I like cybersage.com as well, and avoiding Remoting Server (license cost 
in case of MS). There is also an open source someplace looking for 
the link.

.V


Michael C. Clark wrote:
Being able to return XML to the UI is not all that bad, when you
consider the opportunities for integrating other technolgies for
presentation (if you like XSLT and the like).

There are also some nice tools that take advantage of the modular
nature of FlashMX, and the native XML parsing capabilities of Flash,
available from Flash5 forward.

For UI components check out www.cybersage.com and Flash developer CD
($99 additional) ... XML opens the door to a *slick* rich client UI.

"I love Struts and I vote"

In the right hands, Flash aint all that bad (but then I don't use
emacs to code JavaBean accessors, so...).

-M

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:09:22 -0500



Mark Galbreath wrote:


Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts[...]


Nice attitude. I hope I misunderstood that reply...

Anyway, to answer the original inquiry:
A part of the UI of our app is a flash movie, and we chose to
integrate 
it using XML. The Flash sends requests to our struts actions (they
look 
like any other URL to Flash), but these particular actions return XML

instead of HTML. The Flash parses the XML and applies it to the UI 
appropriately. Works quite well and with no noticeable CPU usage on
the 
client - a problem we had with the previous, complicated HTML
interface 
for this part of the app.
There is also a relatively new feature of Flash MX that provides 
integration between Flash and J2EE apps without using XML in between.

Although I haven't looked at it in detail, I bet it can be used with 
Struts as well as "ordinary" servlets. See 
<http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2003/jw-0117-flash_p.html>

HTH,
	Eric
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RE: [OT] Flash+Struts how?

[Mark Galbreath]

I was referring to the newbie.   And, of course, I was joking.

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From: Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
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I don't use Flash (with or without Struts), and what's wrong with my sig
anyway?  I was simply trying to warn an apparent newbie of the flammage to
follow.

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> 
> 
> Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts and not
> be embarrassed
> by such a sig.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:33 PM
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> > 
> > We have developed a Struts application, using this
> > great framework.
> > 
> > Now... the client wants to convert it to Flash, and do
> > data entry in Flash.
> > What is the best way?
> > We would like to keep our beans and DAO.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > StrutsRules!
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Re: Flash+Struts how?

[Michael C. Clark]

Being able to return XML to the UI is not all that bad, when you
consider the opportunities for integrating other technolgies for
presentation (if you like XSLT and the like).

There are also some nice tools that take advantage of the modular
nature of FlashMX, and the native XML parsing capabilities of Flash,
available from Flash5 forward.

For UI components check out www.cybersage.com and Flash developer CD
($99 additional) ... XML opens the door to a *slick* rich client UI.

"I love Struts and I vote"

In the right hands, Flash aint all that bad (but then I don't use
emacs to code JavaBean accessors, so...).

-M

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Flash+Struts how?
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:09:22 -0500

>Mark Galbreath wrote:
>> Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts[...]
>
>Nice attitude. I hope I misunderstood that reply...
>
>Anyway, to answer the original inquiry:
>A part of the UI of our app is a flash movie, and we chose to
>integrate 
>it using XML. The Flash sends requests to our struts actions (they
>look 
>like any other URL to Flash), but these particular actions return XML
>
>instead of HTML. The Flash parses the XML and applies it to the UI 
>appropriately. Works quite well and with no noticeable CPU usage on
>the 
>client - a problem we had with the previous, complicated HTML
>interface 
>for this part of the app.
>There is also a relatively new feature of Flash MX that provides 
>integration between Flash and J2EE apps without using XML in between.
>
>Although I haven't looked at it in detail, I bet it can be used with 
>Struts as well as "ordinary" servlets. See 
><http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2003/jw-0117-flash_p.html>
>
>HTH,
>   Eric
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>Software Architect
>Jibe, Inc.
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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Chappell, Simon P]

>-Original Message-
>From: Eric Rizzo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:09 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: Flash+Struts how?
>
>
>Mark Galbreath wrote:
>> Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts[...]
>
>Nice attitude. I hope I misunderstood that reply...

Actually, knowing Mark, that was one of his more restrained replies. He's mellowing in 
his old age. ;-)



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Re: Flash+Struts how?

[Eric Rizzo]

Mark Galbreath wrote:

Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts[...]


Nice attitude. I hope I misunderstood that reply...

Anyway, to answer the original inquiry:
A part of the UI of our app is a flash movie, and we chose to integrate 
it using XML. The Flash sends requests to our struts actions (they look 
like any other URL to Flash), but these particular actions return XML 
instead of HTML. The Flash parses the XML and applies it to the UI 
appropriately. Works quite well and with no noticeable CPU usage on the 
client - a problem we had with the previous, complicated HTML interface 
for this part of the app.
There is also a relatively new feature of Flash MX that provides 
integration between Flash and J2EE apps without using XML in between. 
Although I haven't looked at it in detail, I bet it can be used with 
Struts as well as "ordinary" servlets. See 


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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Haseltine, Celeste]

I would suggest checking out using Flash Remoting, on Macromedia's web site.
I suspect that is what your client is talking about when they say they want
to do data entry using Flash.  Flash Remoting has about 12 GUI components
that can be used in place of HTML for data entry, and is competitive to some
of MS GUI components.  Macromedia has rewritten the Pet Store application
using Flash remoting, to give people an idea of the GUI components that are
available, and how they can be used.  If you have any trouble finding the
URL's for all this on their web site, post again, and I will send them to
you.

You should note though that Flash remoting does require the use of one of
Macromedia's server packages, such as JRUN server or Cold Fusion server.  I
do not believe that it will run on Tomcat/Apache, but check out their web
site to verify this.  They may have released a server component that will
run on any server since I last research this.

Celeste

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We have developed a Struts application, using this
great framework.

Now... the client wants to convert it to Flash, and do
data entry in Flash.
What is the best way?
We would like to keep our beans and DAO.

Thanks,
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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Robert Taylor]

I actually started looking into how I could integrate Struts with Flash.
I wasn't concerned with the server side, I was mainly concerned with how
Flash communicated with the server. I found the following article on
Flash Remoting which was interesting. I appears that Flash Remoting
uses a specialized form of messaging over HTTP to talk to a servlet
which inturn invokes methods on Java objects (hmsounds like Web
Services)

I got side tracked on some other stuff, so that's about as far as I looked.
Here is the article:

http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2003/jw-0117-flash-p2.html

Good luck.

robert

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> We have developed a Struts application, using this
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> Now the client wants to convert it to Flash, and do
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> What is the best way?
> We would like to keep our beans and DAO.
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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Thorsten Schäfer]

Hi,

> We have developed a Struts application, using this
> great framework.

Take a look at javaworld.com ...

Greetings,

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RE:[OT] Flash+Struts how?

[Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC]

I don't use Flash (with or without Struts), and what's wrong with my sig
anyway?  I was simply trying to warn an apparent newbie of the flammage to
follow.

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> From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:37 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: Flash+Struts how?
> 
> 
> Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts and not 
> be embarrassed
> by such a sig.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:33 PM
> 
> Oh god, run for your life!
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> > great framework.
> > 
> > Now... the client wants to convert it to Flash, and do
> > data entry in Flash.
> > What is the best way?
> > We would like to keep our beans and DAO.
> > 
> > Thanks,
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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Pani, Gourav]

...  but it would be a lot cooler if he did - "Dazed and Confused"


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Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts and not be embarrassed
by such a sig.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:33 PM

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> We have developed a Struts application, using this
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> 
> Now... the client wants to convert it to Flash, and do
> data entry in Flash.
> What is the best way?
> We would like to keep our beans and DAO.
> 
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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Mark Galbreath]

Only a weenie programmer would use Flash with Struts and not be embarrassed
by such a sig.

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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:33 PM

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> We have developed a Struts application, using this
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> 
> Now... the client wants to convert it to Flash, and do
> data entry in Flash.
> What is the best way?
> We would like to keep our beans and DAO.
> 
> Thanks,
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RE: Flash+Struts how?

[Jacob Hookom]

You will want to look at DOM serialization.  We used it on a project here on
campus to monitor wireless networking nodes by having our servlets return
XML (SEE castor.org or commons betwixt here at Jakarta).  There are many
tutorials about parsing XML responses from web containers at flashkit.com

-Jacob

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RE: Flash+Struts how?

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> 
> We have developed a Struts application, using this
> great framework.
> 
> Now... the client wants to convert it to Flash, and do
> data entry in Flash.
> What is the best way?
> We would like to keep our beans and DAO.
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Flash+Struts how?

[Struts Rulez]

We have developed a Struts application, using this
great framework.

Now… the client wants to convert it to Flash, and do
data entry in Flash.
What is the best way?
We would like to keep our beans and DAO.

Thanks,
StrutsRules!


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