RE: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-14 Thread Maris Orbidans 


We use Struts in our project.

it's very good

Pros:
+ you can apply your OOP skills and build large class hierarchies of form beans and 
+action classes


Maris

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RE: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-05 Thread James Mitchell 

How's this for a first shot:

Pros  Cons
- -
1. Because everything else1. h..thinking
   just SUCKS!!

You like

No??

LOLOk, I'll spend more time on it.

Also, I was thinking about something else Ted.
Has anyone given thought to enhancing the struts-example?
I mean, extend the functionality even if only to demonstrate the new 1.1
features.
I've been working on the example and modifying to fit most of the "Best
Practices" listed on http://husted.com/struts/catalog.htm and from a few
other locations.

Would it be acceptable to submit my changes for possible include as the new
1.1 struts-example?  Of course, if this is already on someone's plate, then
please ignore my ramblings.just thought I'd ask.


James Mitchell
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> James Mitchell wrote:
> > If not, can I create one?
>
> Sure,
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/kickstart.html#documentation
>
> We could also add this to it,
>
> http://www.husted.com/struts/resources/performant.htm
>
> We might label it the "Struts Consquences" page and add it to the Users
> Guide.
>
> There might also be a section of 1.0 cons that are being addressed in
> 1.1 (Cobbling custom ActionForms, Single configuration file and
> ResourceBundle, lack of service management, et al).
>
> -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US
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> James Mitchell wrote:
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> > Is there already a spot on the struts site that we can point
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> > James Mitchell
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> > > Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and
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Re: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-05 Thread Ted Husted 

James Mitchell wrote:
> If not, can I create one?

Sure, 

http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/kickstart.html#documentation

We could also add this to it, 

http://www.husted.com/struts/resources/performant.htm

We might label it the "Struts Consquences" page and add it to the Users
Guide. 

There might also be a section of 1.0 cons that are being addressed in
1.1 (Cobbling custom ActionForms, Single configuration file and
ResourceBundle, lack of service management, et al).

-- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US
-- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts
-- Tel: +1 585 737-3463
-- Web: http://husted.com/about/services


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> this???
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> If not, can I create one?
> 
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RE: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-04 Thread James Mitchell 

Can you provide a URL?

James Mitchell
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RE: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-04 Thread Kevin . Bedell 




There is one on the JBoss site that might be worth looking at.






"James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/04/2002 03:25:35 PM

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This topic comes up quite often.

Is there already a spot on the struts site that we can point people to for
this???

If not, can I create one?

James Mitchell
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RE: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-04 Thread James Mitchell 

This topic comes up quite often.

Is there already a spot on the struts site that we can point people to for
this???

If not, can I create one?

James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist


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Re: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-04 Thread @Basebeans.com 

Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of Struts
From: Jeff Duska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 ===
Steve:

I guess I would disagree. Unless I misunderstood you before, you said 
that BC4J was only available with JDeveloper. Thus, to have a legal 
license you must purchase JDeveloper. This seems to me to make it pretty 
tied to Oracle, even if it is tied only to JDeveloper.

If Oracle starts providing it by itself, I think more people would 
consider it. You could even gain more acceptance by have plug-ins for 
Netbeans or Eclipse. I doubt that this is goal that Oracle has for BC4J.

Steve Muench wrote:



> The most productive way to use the BC4J framework is through
> the wizards, editors, and UML modeling tools that are part of
> the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, so if anything -- even though you
> can use vi or emacs to work on your BC4J framework components --
> using the BC4J framework "invites" you to be most productive by
> using the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, but has no lock-in to either
> the Oracle9iAS appserver or the Oracle database.


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Re: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-04 Thread Kevin . Bedell 




Steve -

I heard that JDeveloper is now a free product. Is that true?

I also heard that it comes with directions for hooking it up to cvs
repositories on SourceForge. Any chance someone could post info on hooking
it up directly to the Struts nightly build?

Thanks for Oracle's ongoing support here.






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Dan,

Hi. Your spreadsheets notes on Oracle's BC4J framework need a touch-up.

Here's a couple of points to correct:

   (*) BC4J provides a framework for easily building the model layer
   of your app (as your comment hints at, "the part developers
   usually write by hand". Precisely!)

   (*) BC4J works fine with non-Oracle databases

   (*) BC4J works fine in any J2EE App Server, either *using*
   EJB if you want to, or staying with just simple Java classes
   as your model layer instead. Your choice.

So, there is no Oracle lock in as your spreadsheets comment suggest.

The most productive way to use the BC4J framework is through
the wizards, editors, and UML modeling tools that are part of
the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, so if anything -- even though you
can use vi or emacs to work on your BC4J framework components --
using the BC4J framework "invites" you to be most productive by
using the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, but has no lock-in to either
the Oracle9iAS appserver or the Oracle database.

__
Steve Muench - Developer, Product Mgr, Java/XML Evangelist, Author
Simplify J2EE and EJB Development with BC4J
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/htdocs/j2ee_bc4j.html
Building Oracle XML Apps, www.oreilly.com/catalog/orxmlapp
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From: "Dan Cancro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:09 AM
Subject: RE: Pros and Cons of Struts


| I have an Excel file full of notes from the mailing lists on various
| frameworks and other web development products.  I update it every day as
I
| read about other peoples' experiences.  You can download a fairly current
| version from here:
| http://www.jcorporate.com/econtent/Content.do?state=viewPage&pageId=3.
| Click Application Frameworks Comparison.
|
| or let me know if you'd like an up-to-date copy.  (I'm finally getting
DSL
| installed (Woohoo!!!), so I will soon be able to do this the normal way).
|
| Here are some other docs that compare frameworks:
|
|
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/wafer/www/feature-

| matrix2.html?rev=1.10
| http://www.jcorporate.com/html/products/expresso/matrix_compare.html
|
http://barracuda.enhydra.org/cvs_source/Barracuda/docs/barracuda_vs_struts.h

| tml
|
|
| -Dan
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| >  ===
| > I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our
| > upcoming project.
| > Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and
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| > might have experienced in their projects?
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Re: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-04 Thread Steve Muench 

Dan,

Hi. Your spreadsheets notes on Oracle's BC4J framework need a touch-up.

Here's a couple of points to correct:

   (*) BC4J provides a framework for easily building the model layer
   of your app (as your comment hints at, "the part developers
   usually write by hand". Precisely!)

   (*) BC4J works fine with non-Oracle databases

   (*) BC4J works fine in any J2EE App Server, either *using*
   EJB if you want to, or staying with just simple Java classes
   as your model layer instead. Your choice.

So, there is no Oracle lock in as your spreadsheets comment suggest.

The most productive way to use the BC4J framework is through
the wizards, editors, and UML modeling tools that are part of
the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, so if anything -- even though you
can use vi or emacs to work on your BC4J framework components --
using the BC4J framework "invites" you to be most productive by
using the Oracle9i JDeveloper IDE, but has no lock-in to either
the Oracle9iAS appserver or the Oracle database.

__
Steve Muench - Developer, Product Mgr, Java/XML Evangelist, Author
Simplify J2EE and EJB Development with BC4J
http://otn.oracle.com/products/jdev/htdocs/j2ee_bc4j.html
Building Oracle XML Apps, www.oreilly.com/catalog/orxmlapp
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From: "Dan Cancro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:09 AM
Subject: RE: Pros and Cons of Struts


| I have an Excel file full of notes from the mailing lists on various
| frameworks and other web development products.  I update it every day as I
| read about other peoples' experiences.  You can download a fairly current
| version from here:
| http://www.jcorporate.com/econtent/Content.do?state=viewPage&pageId=3.
| Click Application Frameworks Comparison.
| 
| or let me know if you'd like an up-to-date copy.  (I'm finally getting DSL
| installed (Woohoo!!!), so I will soon be able to do this the normal way).
| 
| Here are some other docs that compare frameworks:
| 
| http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/wafer/www/feature-
| matrix2.html?rev=1.10
| http://www.jcorporate.com/html/products/expresso/matrix_compare.html
| http://barracuda.enhydra.org/cvs_source/Barracuda/docs/barracuda_vs_struts.h
| tml
| 
| 
| -Dan
| 
| > -Original Message-
| > From: Struts Newsgroup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:55 PM
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| > Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts
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| > 
| > Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts
| > From: "Sanjib Islam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >  ===
| > I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our
| > upcoming project.
| > Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and 
| > cons that they
| > might have experienced in their projects?
| > 
| > Thanks.
| > 
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RE: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-03 Thread Dan Cancro 

I have an Excel file full of notes from the mailing lists on various
frameworks and other web development products.  I update it every day as I
read about other peoples' experiences.  You can download a fairly current
version from here:
http://www.jcorporate.com/econtent/Content.do?state=viewPage&pageId=3.
Click Application Frameworks Comparison.

or let me know if you'd like an up-to-date copy.  (I'm finally getting DSL
installed (Woohoo!!!), so I will soon be able to do this the normal way).

Here are some other docs that compare frameworks:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/wafer/www/feature-
matrix2.html?rev=1.10
http://www.jcorporate.com/html/products/expresso/matrix_compare.html
http://barracuda.enhydra.org/cvs_source/Barracuda/docs/barracuda_vs_struts.h
tml


-Dan

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Re: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-03 Thread Bharat Nagwani 

referring to the four taglibs - bean, html, logic and template

we make use of all. All work very nice. thats the pro.

For cons, i think these taglib's can make the app slower since
there are now more classes being instantiated/re-used compared to using
straight scriptlets or html.

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>might have experienced in their projects?
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RE: Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-03 Thread Galbreath, Mark 

Well, I have worked with a number of pros in the course of my present Struts
project, but I don't know if any are felons.

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Pros and Cons of Struts

2002-06-03 Thread @Basebeans.com 

Subject: Pros and Cons of Struts
From: "Sanjib Islam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I am presently evaluating struts as a presentation framework for our
upcoming project.
Could anyone please provide a list of some of the pros and cons that they
might have experienced in their projects?

Thanks.




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