RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread StrutsBolsover
I know I've come late to this thread - but my first was a couple of logarithmic 
potentiometers and a
meter - analogue computing at it simplest - but it worked and provided the battery was 
not going
flat remarkably accurate - at least as good as the slide rules we all had at that 
time. - eh! what
where did I put my hearing aid...

db

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 Well - lets see:

 Does older win this contest :-)

 My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in
 the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
 was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
 toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
 paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

 Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

 LOL

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 I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
 Facade was easy.
 Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

 :)

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 TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

 .anil

 James Childers wrote:

  My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
 think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
 would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
 forever.


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Re: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Simon Kelly
I can go one better!

When I was a kid, my dad took me to the company he was installing a system
for and they had a room with a *valve* computer!!!   It had plug boards and
everything *sniff sniff* and they let me have a play before they ripped it
out.  All those cables...

Then, when I was working for Rolls Royce, we got to program the lathes using
punch cards!   Bloody marvelous!!  Hours of mindless tedium and bordom!

I WANT MY YOUTH BACK



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 Well - lets see:

 Does older win this contest :-)

 My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in
 the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
 was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
 toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
 paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

 Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

 LOL

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 I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
 Facade was easy.
 Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

 :)

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 TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

 .anil

 James Childers wrote:

  My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
 think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy.
I
 would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
 forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Kandi Potter
My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high school using 
an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete room.You saved your 
program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your program didn't have any compile 
errors, it would be 20 minutes executing until the output came out on the printer !

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Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in 
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Bueno Carlos M
Dang, I must be a youngster -- mine were a Zenith-Heath kit computer running
CP/M and an Atari 400 with BASIC.

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My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high
school using an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete
room.You saved your program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your
program didn't have any compile errors, it would be 20 minutes executing
until the output came out on the printer !

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From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:38 PM
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Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in 
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Pani, Gourav
ok so i am a kid.  first computer - 386.

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Dang, I must be a youngster -- mine were a Zenith-Heath kit computer running
CP/M and an Atari 400 with BASIC.

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My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high
school using an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete
room.You saved your program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your
program didn't have any compile errors, it would be 20 minutes executing
until the output came out on the printer !

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From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:38 PM
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Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in 
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:06 PM
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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread du Plessis, Corneil C
Here in South Africa technology was in the same state in the late 70s and
early 80s.
Doing computer studies meant complete coding sheet this week next week
receive punch cards and compile report if successfull compile you may even
get an execution report.
8 programs took the whole year to complete.
We actually went to visit the computer room half-way through our senior year
as a class trip. 
By that time I already had a ZX Spectrum and was laughing my at this room
ful of computer with not much more capability the my little spectrum.


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ok so i am a kid.  first computer - 386.

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Dang, I must be a youngster -- mine were a Zenith-Heath kit computer running
CP/M and an Atari 400 with BASIC.

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From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:34 AM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing


My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high
school using an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete
room.You saved your program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your
program didn't have any compile errors, it would be 20 minutes executing
until the output came out on the printer !

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From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:38 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing


Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in 
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:06 PM
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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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From: awc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:02 PM
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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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Re: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Tim Shadel
First family computer I remember: 8080

First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it to the TV, 
screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], eventually had 
a 5 1/4 disk drive)

I'm young.  I remember typing before writing.

Bueno Carlos M wrote:
Dang, I must be a youngster -- mine were a Zenith-Heath kit computer running
CP/M and an Atari 400 with BASIC.
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My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high
school using an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete
room.You saved your program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your
program didn't have any compile errors, it would be 20 minutes executing
until the output came out on the printer !
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From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:38 PM
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Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in 
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:06 PM
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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.
:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:


My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.
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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Clement, Stephen

my first experience was in high school too.  She was blonde, had a great
body and loved driving in my car so one nightoh, you mean first
computing experience, that's not as good a story...

the meek shall inherit the earth.  that's meek not geek.

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ok so i am a kid.  first computer - 386.

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Dang, I must be a youngster -- mine were a Zenith-Heath kit computer running
CP/M and an Atari 400 with BASIC.

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From: Kandi Potter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:34 AM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing


My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high
school using an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete
room.You saved your program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your
program didn't have any compile errors, it would be 20 minutes executing
until the output came out on the printer !

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From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:38 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing


Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in 
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:06 PM
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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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From: awc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:02 PM
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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Nelson, Laird
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 First family computer I remember: 8080
 
 First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
 to the TV, 
 screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
 eventually had 
 a 5 1/4 disk drive)

First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they were called?)
First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
First computer that awed me: Commodore 64

Laird

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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread du Plessis, Corneil C
Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was just awesome!

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 From: Tim Shadel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 First family computer I remember: 8080
 
 First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
 to the TV, 
 screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
 eventually had 
 a 5 1/4 disk drive)

First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they were called?)
First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
First computer that awed me: Commodore 64

Laird

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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Ray Madigan
You win 70 to 71 - ouch again

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My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high
school using an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete
room.You saved your program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your
program didn't have any compile errors, it would be 20 minutes executing
until the output came out on the printer !

-Original Message-
From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:38 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing


Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Nelson, Laird
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 Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was just awesome!

Attempting--very, very, very badly--to write Donkey Kong on a TRS-80 was
better.  :-)

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2003-03-05 Thread Chappell, Simon P
OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?

I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and the 22 CinemaDisplay 
flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying 
that, I love it.

Simon

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Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was just awesome!

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 First family computer I remember: 8080
 
 First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
 to the TV, 
 screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
 eventually had 
 a 5 1/4 disk drive)

First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they were called?)
First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
First computer that awed me: Commodore 64

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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Kandi Potter
Do I get a prizelike youth renewal or even the Struts Book so I can try to 
keep up with the times?

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You win 70 to 71 - ouch again

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My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high
school using an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete
room.You saved your program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your
program didn't have any compile errors, it would be 20 minutes executing
until the output came out on the printer !

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Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-05 Thread Kandi Potter
ah South Africa, perfect climate, great scenery.we are 
entering our 1000th day of winter here with 20cm of snow coming down

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Here in South Africa technology was in the same state in the late 70s and
early 80s.
Doing computer studies meant complete coding sheet this week next week
receive punch cards and compile report if successfull compile you may even
get an execution report.
8 programs took the whole year to complete.
We actually went to visit the computer room half-way through our senior year
as a class trip. 
By that time I already had a ZX Spectrum and was laughing my at this room
ful of computer with not much more capability the my little spectrum.


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ok so i am a kid.  first computer - 386.

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Dang, I must be a youngster -- mine were a Zenith-Heath kit computer running
CP/M and an Atari 400 with BASIC.

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My guess is early 70sbecause my first experience was also in high
school using an old IBM System ?? with 64k memory.It took up a complete
room.You saved your program by not dropping the punch cards.   If your
program didn't have any compile errors, it would be 20 minutes executing
until the output came out on the printer !

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Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in 
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Sean Chambers
i still have the zx81

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 OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?
 
 I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and 
 the 22 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 
 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying that, I love it.
 
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 Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was just awesome!
 
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  First family computer I remember: 8080
  
  First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
  to the TV, 
  screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
  eventually had 
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 First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they were called?)
 First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
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2003-03-05 Thread Joel Wickard
Sean Chambers wrote:

i still have the zx81

 

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OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?

I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and 
the 22 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 
10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying that, I love it.

Simon

   

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Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was just awesome!

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First family computer I remember: 8080
First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
to the TV, 
screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
eventually had 
a 5 1/4 disk drive)
   

First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they were called?)
First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
First computer that awed me: Commodore 64
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I still have an IBM system23 with 8 or 10 (haven't looked at them 
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2003-03-05 Thread Bueno Carlos M
You won't believe this, but my little beauty is a P133 with 4x8MB SIMMS, 2MB
s3 Trio Video card, 2.1GB HD, and a sound blaster 16. Runs Mandrake 8.2 jes
fine. This is not my closet computer, it IS my computer. But now it's
starting to go senile so I'm looking at those nifty shoebox computers from
shuttleonline.

 -- Carlos No Nickname Bueno

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OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?

I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and the 22
CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it
almost goes without saying that, I love it.

Simon

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Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was just awesome!

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 First family computer I remember: 8080
 
 First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
 to the TV, 
 screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
 eventually had 
 a 5 1/4 disk drive)

First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they were called?)
First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
First computer that awed me: Commodore 64

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2003-03-05 Thread Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC
you should check out http://www.mini-itx.com/ for small PCs.

My current machine is a lowly PIII 1GHz, but a parts for a 2.4GHz PIV are
calling my name from newegg...  My problem is that I need a new machine, my
wife needs a new machine and I also need a laptop - as I get older I'm less
and less willing to spend money on computers...

--
Voytek Jarnot
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


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 You won't believe this, but my little beauty is a P133 with 
 4x8MB SIMMS, 2MB
 s3 Trio Video card, 2.1GB HD, and a sound blaster 16. Runs 
 Mandrake 8.2 jes
 fine. This is not my closet computer, it IS my computer. But now it's
 starting to go senile so I'm looking at those nifty shoebox 
 computers from
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  -- Carlos No Nickname Bueno
 
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 OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?
 
 I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and the 22
 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it
 almost goes without saying that, I love it.
 
 Simon
 
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  First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
  to the TV, 
  screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
  eventually had 
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2003-03-05 Thread Hookom, Jacob John
I have:
Sony GRV550 P4 2.4GHz Laptop w/ 512 MB DDR and 16 Screen w/ XP Pro
Server P4 1.5GHz 1GB RDRAM, 15 LCD, 200 GB HD with 8MB cache, Red Hat 8

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I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and the 22 
CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes 
without saying that, I love it.

Simon

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Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was just awesome!

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 First family computer I remember: 8080

 First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it
 to the TV,
 screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??],
 eventually had
 a 5 1/4 disk drive)

First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they were called?)
First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
First computer that awed me: Commodore 64

Laird

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RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Sean Chambers
yeah but i only have the ZX81  ;)


Joel Wickard wrote:

I still have an IBM system23 with 8 or 10 (haven't looked at them 
lately )
floppies.

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 Sean Chambers wrote:
 
 i still have the zx81
 
   
 
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 Subject: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)
 
 
 OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?
 
 I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and 
 the 22 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 
 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying that, I love it.
 
 Simon
 
 
 
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 Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was 
 just awesome!
 
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 First family computer I remember: 8080
 
 First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
 to the TV, 
 screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
 eventually had 
 a 5 1/4 disk drive)
 
 
 First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they 
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RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Chen, Gin
I have an Atari.
Can't do much coding on it but Donkey Kong is fun.
-Tim

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yeah but i only have the ZX81  ;)


Joel Wickard wrote:

I still have an IBM system23 with 8 or 10 (haven't looked at them 
lately )
floppies.

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 i still have the zx81
 
   
 
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 OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?
 
 I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and 
 the 22 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 
 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying that, I love it.
 
 Simon
 
 
 
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 Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was 
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 First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it 
 to the TV, 
 screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??], 
 eventually had 
 a 5 1/4 disk drive)
 
 
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RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC
I've been thinking about those 16 Sonys, how are they size-wise WRT
portability?  How is the 'desktop' version of the P4 when running on
battery?

--
Voytek Jarnot
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


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 I have:
 Sony GRV550 P4 2.4GHz Laptop w/ 512 MB DDR and 16 Screen w/ XP Pro
 Server P4 1.5GHz 1GB RDRAM, 15 LCD, 200 GB HD with 8MB 
 cache, Red Hat 8
 
   -Original Message- 
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   Sent: Wed 3/5/2003 10:18 AM 
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   OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?
   
   I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of 
 RAM and the 22 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac 
 OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying that, I love it.
   
   Simon
   
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   Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 
 was just awesome!
   
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   To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
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From: Tim Shadel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
First family computer I remember: 8080
   
First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it
to the TV,
screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??],
eventually had
a 5 1/4 disk drive)
   
   First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they 
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[OT] RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Hookom, Jacob John
I love my laptop, well, I shouldn't call it a laptop-- more properly termed a mobile 
desktop since the beautiful 16 screen leaves you with about 2 hours of battery life 
at a given sitting (I leave it plugged in all the time).  For the mobile P4 processor, 
I've been extremely happy with the performance, apps load up in a flash.  Granted you 
have to do some tweaking to remove all of the pre-installed Sony applications.
 
The screen though is like a billboard, just amazing, running at 1280x1024, everything 
is crisp and colorful.  Make sure you get some kind of service coverage, the batteries 
for it will run you about 400 dollars US.
 
GET ONE!
 
-Original Message- 
From: Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wed 3/5/2003 11:29 AM 
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' 
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Subject: RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)



I've been thinking about those 16 Sonys, how are they size-wise WRT
portability?  How is the 'desktop' version of the P4 when running on
battery?

--
Voytek Jarnot
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


 -Original Message-
 From: Hookom, Jacob John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:11 AM
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 I have:
 Sony GRV550 P4 2.4GHz Laptop w/ 512 MB DDR and 16 Screen w/ XP Pro
 Server P4 1.5GHz 1GB RDRAM, 15 LCD, 200 GB HD with 8MB
 cache, Red Hat 8

   -Original Message-
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   Sent: Wed 3/5/2003 10:18 AM
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   OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?
  
   I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of
 RAM and the 22 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac
 OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying that, I love it.
  
   Simon
  
   -Original Message-
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   Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:13 AM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing
   
   
   Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64
 was just awesome!
   
   -Original Message-
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   Sent: 05 March, 2003 18:10
   To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
   Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Tim Shadel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
First family computer I remember: 8080
   
First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it
to the TV,
screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??],
eventually had
a 5 1/4 disk drive)
   
   First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they
 were called?)
   First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
   First computer that awed me: Commodore 64
   
   Laird
   
  
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RE: [OT] RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Sean Chambers
centrino is out soon of course, so you get longer battery life and built in
wireless.

http://www.intel.com/products/mobiletechnology/index.htm?iid=Homepage+Highli
ght_030127a

 -Original Message-
 From: Hookom, Jacob John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 05 March 2003 17:38
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: [OT] RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)
 
 
 I love my laptop, well, I shouldn't call it a laptop-- more 
 properly termed a mobile desktop since the beautiful 16 
 screen leaves you with about 2 hours of battery life at a 
 given sitting (I leave it plugged in all the time).  For the 
 mobile P4 processor, I've been extremely happy with the 
 performance, apps load up in a flash.  Granted you have to do 
 some tweaking to remove all of the pre-installed Sony applications.
  
 The screen though is like a billboard, just amazing, running 
 at 1280x1024, everything is crisp and colorful.  Make sure 
 you get some kind of service coverage, the batteries for it 
 will run you about 400 dollars US.
  
 GET ONE!
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wed 3/5/2003 11:29 AM 
 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' 
 Cc: 
 Subject: RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)
 
 
 
   I've been thinking about those 16 Sonys, how are they 
 size-wise WRT
   portability?  How is the 'desktop' version of the P4 
 when running on
   battery?
   
   --
   Voytek Jarnot
   Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Hookom, Jacob John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:11 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
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I have:
Sony GRV550 P4 2.4GHz Laptop w/ 512 MB DDR and 16 
 Screen w/ XP Pro
Server P4 1.5GHz 1GB RDRAM, 15 LCD, 200 GB HD with 8MB
cache, Red Hat 8
   
  -Original Message-
  From: Chappell, Simon P 
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 computing)
 
 
   
  OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?
 
  I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of
RAM and the 22 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac
OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying 
 that, I love it.
 
  Simon
 
  -Original Message-
  From: du Plessis, Corneil C 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:13 AM
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  Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64
was just awesome!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Nelson, Laird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 05 March, 2003 18:10
  To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
  Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Tim Shadel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   First family computer I remember: 8080
  
   First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with 
 BASIC (hooked it
   to the TV,
   screen was blue with white letters 
 [forboadings of M$??],
   eventually had
   a 5 1/4 disk drive)
  
  First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they
were called?)
  First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
  First computer that awed me: Commodore 64
  
  Laird
  
 

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RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread James Turner
In the office:

Homebuilt P4 2.4Ghz with 512MB RAM, GeForce 2400, Mylex RAID controller
with 9 36GB SCSI drives in a separate enclosure, Sony 4x DVD+-RW Drive,
hooked up through a KVM switch to an Envision 17 flat panel running XP
Pro.

Homebuilt P4 1.8Ghz with 512MB RAM running Redhat 8 hooked up to my DSL
line (my web and mail server).

Toshiba Laptop (1Ghz Celeron) running XP Pro and Win98.

In the Bedroom:

Old P100 Toshiba Laptop my wife uses to surf.

Downstairs in the family room:

Homebuilt P3 1Ghz my 8yr old uses for games and homework.

In my pocket:

Palm Tungsten T networked into the home LAN via a Bluetake Bluetooth
gateway.

On a side note, my office gets warm enough during the winter that it's
still 80 degrees there with all the heat turned off to that zone.

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RE: [OT] RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Hookom, Jacob John
Centrino sounds a lot like like Celeron icky.

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Sent: Wed 3/5/2003 11:45 AM 
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centrino is out soon of course, so you get longer battery life and built in
wireless.

http://www.intel.com/products/mobiletechnology/index.htm?iid=Homepage+Highli
ght_030127a

 -Original Message-
 From: Hookom, Jacob John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 05 March 2003 17:38
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: [OT] RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)


 I love my laptop, well, I shouldn't call it a laptop-- more
 properly termed a mobile desktop since the beautiful 16
 screen leaves you with about 2 hours of battery life at a
 given sitting (I leave it plugged in all the time).  For the
 mobile P4 processor, I've been extremely happy with the
 performance, apps load up in a flash.  Granted you have to do
 some tweaking to remove all of the pre-installed Sony applications.
 
 The screen though is like a billboard, just amazing, running
 at 1280x1024, everything is crisp and colorful.  Make sure
 you get some kind of service coverage, the batteries for it
 will run you about 400 dollars US.
 
 GET ONE!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wed 3/5/2003 11:29 AM
 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
 Cc:
 Subject: RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)



   I've been thinking about those 16 Sonys, how are they
 size-wise WRT
   portability?  How is the 'desktop' version of the P4
 when running on
   battery?
  
   --
   Voytek Jarnot
   Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
  
  
-Original Message-
From: Hookom, Jacob John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:11 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)
   
   
I have:
Sony GRV550 P4 2.4GHz Laptop w/ 512 MB DDR and 16
 Screen w/ XP Pro
Server P4 1.5GHz 1GB RDRAM, 15 LCD, 200 GB HD with 8MB
cache, Red Hat 8
   
  -Original Message-
  From: Chappell, Simon P
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wed 3/5/2003 10:18 AM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
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  Subject: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient
 computing)


   
  OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?

  I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of
RAM and the 22 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac
OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it almost goes without saying
 that, I love it.

  Simon

  -Original Message-
  From: du Plessis, Corneil C
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:13 AM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing
  
  
  Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64
was just awesome!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Nelson, Laird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 05 March, 2003 18:10
  To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
  Subject: RE: [OT] Ancient computing
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Tim Shadel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   First family computer I remember: 8080
  
   First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with
 BASIC (hooked it
   to the TV,
   screen was blue with white letters
 [forboadings of M$??],
   eventually had
   a 5 1/4 disk drive

RE: Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Chappell, Simon P
So ... how does lisp run on those? Is it available for the Tungsten T? (Couldn't 
resist! ;-)

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In the office:

Homebuilt P4 2.4Ghz with 512MB RAM, GeForce 2400, Mylex RAID controller
with 9 36GB SCSI drives in a separate enclosure, Sony 4x DVD+-RW Drive,
hooked up through a KVM switch to an Envision 17 flat panel running XP
Pro.

Homebuilt P4 1.8Ghz with 512MB RAM running Redhat 8 hooked up to my DSL
line (my web and mail server).

Toshiba Laptop (1Ghz Celeron) running XP Pro and Win98.

In the Bedroom:

Old P100 Toshiba Laptop my wife uses to surf.

Downstairs in the family room:

Homebuilt P3 1Ghz my 8yr old uses for games and homework.

In my pocket:

Palm Tungsten T networked into the home LAN via a Bluetake Bluetooth
gateway.

On a side note, my office gets warm enough during the winter that it's
still 80 degrees there with all the heat turned off to that zone.

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RE: [OT] Modern Computing (was RE: [OT] Ancient computing)

2003-03-05 Thread Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC
http://www.lispme.de/lispme/

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Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


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 So ... how does lisp run on those? Is it available for the 
 Tungsten T? (Couldn't resist! ;-)
 
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 In the office:
 
 Homebuilt P4 2.4Ghz with 512MB RAM, GeForce 2400, Mylex RAID 
 controller
 with 9 36GB SCSI drives in a separate enclosure, Sony 4x 
 DVD+-RW Drive,
 hooked up through a KVM switch to an Envision 17 flat panel 
 running XP
 Pro.
 
 Homebuilt P4 1.8Ghz with 512MB RAM running Redhat 8 hooked 
 up to my DSL
 line (my web and mail server).
 
 Toshiba Laptop (1Ghz Celeron) running XP Pro and Win98.
 
 In the Bedroom:
 
 Old P100 Toshiba Laptop my wife uses to surf.
 
 Downstairs in the family room:
 
 Homebuilt P3 1Ghz my 8yr old uses for games and homework.
 
 In my pocket:
 
 Palm Tungsten T networked into the home LAN via a Bluetake Bluetooth
 gateway.
 
 On a side note, my office gets warm enough during the winter 
 that it's
 still 80 degrees there with all the heat turned off to that zone.
 
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2003-03-05 Thread James Turner
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 So ... how does lisp run on those? Is it available for the 
 Tungsten T? (Couldn't resist! ;-)

http://www.lispme.de/lispme/

And, sadly, I haven't been at a job that required LISP for almost 10
years now.

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2003-03-05 Thread alexj
an HP omnibook xt1500 p4 1.7 Ghz 512 RAM 30 Go HD, running xp pro (with
LiteStep) and xp .net server
an old toshiba satellite 1700cds 650 Ghz 20 Go HD and an old p3 500 Ghz
tower(my first pc)
running debian woody.
But I never use the tower.

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So ... how does lisp run on those? Is it available for the Tungsten T?
(Couldn't resist! ;-)

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In the office:

Homebuilt P4 2.4Ghz with 512MB RAM, GeForce 2400, Mylex RAID controller
with 9 36GB SCSI drives in a separate enclosure, Sony 4x DVD+-RW Drive,
hooked up through a KVM switch to an Envision 17 flat panel running XP
Pro.

Homebuilt P4 1.8Ghz with 512MB RAM running Redhat 8 hooked up to my DSL
line (my web and mail server).

Toshiba Laptop (1Ghz Celeron) running XP Pro and Win98.

In the Bedroom:

Old P100 Toshiba Laptop my wife uses to surf.

Downstairs in the family room:

Homebuilt P3 1Ghz my 8yr old uses for games and homework.

In my pocket:

Palm Tungsten T networked into the home LAN via a Bluetake Bluetooth
gateway.

On a side note, my office gets warm enough during the winter that it's
still 80 degrees there with all the heat turned off to that zone.

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2003-03-05 Thread alexj
you can't run X with thatI remember last year when I attempt to install
mandrake 8 on a friend pc who got less than 64 Mo RAM

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 You won't believe this, but my little beauty is a P133 with 4x8MB SIMMS,
2MB
 s3 Trio Video card, 2.1GB HD, and a sound blaster 16. Runs Mandrake 8.2
jes
 fine. This is not my closet computer, it IS my computer. But now it's
 starting to go senile so I'm looking at those nifty shoebox computers from
 shuttleonline.

  -- Carlos No Nickname Bueno

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 OK, enough reminising ... what do people currently have?

 I have a Mac tower with dual 550MHz G4 CPUs, 1.5Gb of RAM and the 22
 CinemaDisplay flat panel monitor. I run Mac OS X 10.2.4 on it. And, it
 almost goes without saying that, I love it.

 Simon

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 Playing the Space shuttle games on the Commodore 64 was just awesome!
 
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  First family computer I remember: 8080
 
  First that I used: Atari or Commodore64 with BASIC (hooked it
  to the TV,
  screen was blue with white letters [forboadings of M$??],
  eventually had
  a 5 1/4 disk drive)
 
 First computer used: Commodore PET (was that what they were called?)
 First computer used extensively: Radio Shack TRS-80
 First computer that awed me: Commodore 64
 
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2003-03-05 Thread Chappell, Simon P
 So ... how does lisp run on those? Is it available for the 
 Tungsten T? (Couldn't resist! ;-)

http://www.lispme.de/lispme/

And, sadly, I haven't been at a job that required LISP for almost 10
years now.

Sadly!?!? It's been about that since I did RPG and the nightmares still haunt me. You 
need the kind of help that no amount of OT postings on the Struts list can give you! 
:-)

James

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2003-03-04 Thread alexj
lol my first PC was a pIII 500 ..(three years ago)

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  My first two computers didn't even have floppy drives ... 300 baud tape
and 1024 bytes of memory!

 My machine TOTALLY ruled over yours; I had 4K.

 Nyah.

 (Well, actually, I guess my _first_ first computer had like maybe 256
 bytes and toggle switches, but I didn't get very far with that, being
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2003-03-04 Thread Chappell, Simon P
When I was a lad, I used to dream of a P3 500MHz ... well, maybe not, but I would have 
quite liked one. My first machine had a 3.5MHz Zilog Z-80A! Rock and Roll! :-)

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lol my first PC was a pIII 500 ..(three years ago)

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  My first two computers didn't even have floppy drives ... 
300 baud tape
and 1024 bytes of memory!

 My machine TOTALLY ruled over yours; I had 4K.

 Nyah.

 (Well, actually, I guess my _first_ first computer had like maybe 256
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2003-03-04 Thread alexj
lol I was playing with my Playmobil at this time ;))

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When I was a lad, I used to dream of a P3 500MHz ... well, maybe not, but I
would have quite liked one. My first machine had a 3.5MHz Zilog Z-80A! Rock
and Roll! :-)

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lol my first PC was a pIII 500 ..(three years ago)

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  My first two computers didn't even have floppy drives ...
300 baud tape
and 1024 bytes of memory!

 My machine TOTALLY ruled over yours; I had 4K.

 Nyah.

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2003-03-04 Thread Chappell, Simon P
Arrrgh! I'm old! Good job I have a young wife (29) to comfort me in my old age (36) :-)

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lol I was playing with my Playmobil at this time ;))

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When I was a lad, I used to dream of a P3 500MHz ... well, 
maybe not, but I
would have quite liked one. My first machine had a 3.5MHz 
Zilog Z-80A! Rock
and Roll! :-)

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lol my first PC was a pIII 500 ..(three years ago)

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  My first two computers didn't even have floppy drives ...
300 baud tape
and 1024 bytes of memory!

 My machine TOTALLY ruled over yours; I had 4K.

 Nyah.

 (Well, actually, I guess my _first_ first computer had like 
maybe 256
 bytes and toggle switches, but I didn't get very far with 
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2003-03-04 Thread Becky Norum
Wow - some of you guys are *old*.  =)

My first was a Commodore 128K.  Spent endless hours typing in games from
the Commodore magazine - budding programmer even then. :P

Becky

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2003-03-04 Thread alexj
oh no I just born at this time lol

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 lol I was playing with my Playmobil at this time ;))

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I
 would have quite liked one. My first machine had a 3.5MHz Zilog Z-80A!
Rock
 and Roll! :-)

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 lol my first PC was a pIII 500 ..(three years ago)
 
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   My first two computers didn't even have floppy drives ...
 300 baud tape
 and 1024 bytes of memory!
 
  My machine TOTALLY ruled over yours; I had 4K.
 
  Nyah.
 
  (Well, actually, I guess my _first_ first computer had like maybe 256
  bytes and toggle switches, but I didn't get very far with that, being
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2003-03-04 Thread Pani, Gourav
well, if 29 is young then i am barely alive... ;)

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Arrrgh! I'm old! Good job I have a young wife (29) to comfort me in my old
age (36) :-)

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lol I was playing with my Playmobil at this time ;))

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When I was a lad, I used to dream of a P3 500MHz ... well, 
maybe not, but I
would have quite liked one. My first machine had a 3.5MHz 
Zilog Z-80A! Rock
and Roll! :-)

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lol my first PC was a pIII 500 ..(three years ago)

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  My first two computers didn't even have floppy drives ...
300 baud tape
and 1024 bytes of memory!

 My machine TOTALLY ruled over yours; I had 4K.

 Nyah.

 (Well, actually, I guess my _first_ first computer had like 
maybe 256
 bytes and toggle switches, but I didn't get very far with 
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2003-03-04 Thread alexj
yeah pappy ;))

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Arrrgh! I'm old! Good job I have a young wife (29) to comfort me in my old
age (36) :-)

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lol I was playing with my Playmobil at this time ;))

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When I was a lad, I used to dream of a P3 500MHz ... well,
maybe not, but I
would have quite liked one. My first machine had a 3.5MHz
Zilog Z-80A! Rock
and Roll! :-)

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  My first two computers didn't even have floppy drives ...
300 baud tape
and 1024 bytes of memory!

 My machine TOTALLY ruled over yours; I had 4K.

 Nyah.

 (Well, actually, I guess my _first_ first computer had like
maybe 256
 bytes and toggle switches, but I didn't get very far with
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 but a wee lad at the time.)

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Re: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-04 Thread Tim Shadel
I'm a third-generation-young-guy programmer, but my dad worked on a 
system (Boston area) where the disk FAT was a physical book, and you 
only got disk space if the technician could thumb through the book and 
find you some contiguous space!

Tim

Chappell, Simon P wrote:
When I was a lad, I used to dream of a P3 500MHz ... well, maybe not, but I would have quite liked one. My first machine had a 3.5MHz Zilog Z-80A! Rock and Roll! :-)




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Re: [OT] Ancient computing (was RE: [OT] Don't beat on James! (wasRE:[OT] JavaScript: ActionForm Does Not Contain Dynamically Set Data)

2003-03-04 Thread Rick Reumann
On 04 Mar 2003 16:51:45 -0500
Becky Norum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 My first was a Commodore 128K.  Spent endless hours typing in games
 from the Commodore magazine - budding programmer even then. :P

Load coolGames, 8, 1 

I need to get a copy of M.U.L.E. I loved that game on the C64 or might
have been the C128 I played it on.

-- 
Rick Reumann

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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-04 Thread James Childers

My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I think, and no 
storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I would write a program 
and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone forever.

My mom eventually bought me a tape recorder so I could save my stuff. I had to hit 
record then issue some command and it would start wailing into the tape recorder at 
somewhere around 110 bps.

Ahhh yes, those were the days.

A few years after this I graduated to one of the gray Mac 512k's. That was the last 
time I had a Mac, dammit! And I lked it. *sigh*

-= J

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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-04 Thread Chappell, Simon P

A few years after this I graduated to one of the gray Mac 
512k's. That was the last time I had a Mac, dammit! And I 
lked it. *sigh*

I made the switch to mac at home about a year ago and I love it. I have a dual 550MHz 
G4, 1.5Gb RAM, 60Gb HDD, OS X 10.2.4 and the 22 CinemaDisplay (flat panel). I feel so 
cheated when I come to work and use my measly 2GHz P4 w/ 512Mb RAM. The Mac just blows 
it away.

Simon

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Re: [OT] Ancient computing (was RE: [OT] Don't beat on James! (wasRE:[OT] JavaScript: ActionForm Does Not Contain Dynamically Set Data)

2003-03-04 Thread Dave Newton
On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 16:51, Becky Norum wrote:
 Wow - some of you guys are *old*.  =)

Hey now.

I was just geeky at a very, very early age.

There's a difference... although... maybe I'd rather be old ;)

Dave



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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-04 Thread James Turner
The first computer I used was a PDP-8/I.  It had 12K of 12 bit memory.
You used an ASR-33 teletype to talk to it.  You had to toggle in the
boot program via the front panel, then load a paper tape, then load
another paper tape.  It ran Edusystem 30 BASIC from DEC.

The next year, our school graduated to a PDP 8/a, which had a DECWriter
for a console and an 8 floppy drive.  You could use BASIC, or FORTRAN
II, or program it in raw assembler.  The operating system was OS/8, the
precursor to CP/M, and later DOS.

My first home computer (after owning a GE Terminet 300 terminal and a
300 baud modem in a wooden box for a while) was a TRS-80 level 1, 32K of
RAM!

James



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Re: [OT] Ancient computing (was RE: [OT] Don't beat on James! (wasRE:[OT] JavaScript: ActionForm Does Not Contain Dynamically Set Data)

2003-03-04 Thread Becky Norum
A geek in diapers, right?  ;)  Mum put your high chair right next to the
keyboard so you could start clicking away..  when was the term geek
coined, anyway?

Though I do know a 4-year old who, while her father was searching for an
update for a game, pushed him away from the computer and told him he was
too slow; she could do it faster... =)

Becky

On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 17:12, Dave Newton wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 16:51, Becky Norum wrote:
  Wow - some of you guys are *old*.  =)
 
 Hey now.
 
 I was just geeky at a very, very early age.
 
 There's a difference... although... maybe I'd rather be old ;)
 
 Dave
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] Ancient computing (was RE: [OT] Don't beat on James! (wasRE:[OT] JavaScript: ActionForm Does Not Contain Dynamically Set Data)

2003-03-04 Thread James Turner

 From: Becky Norum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 A geek in diapers, right?  ;)  Mum put your high chair right 
 next to the keyboard so you could start clicking away..  when 
 was the term geek coined, anyway?

Strictly, a geek is the sideshow employee designated to bite the head
off a live chicken.  The current term for this person is Fear Factor
Contestent

James



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Re: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-04 Thread awc
TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I think, and no 
 storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I would write a program 
 and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-04 Thread Clement, Stephen

I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-04 Thread jbaker
The first computer I used ran a simple assembler and had about 1k of 
memory.  I think it was a TI.  You had to toggle programs in or use the 
attachable  card reader (you had to feed them by hand, one at a time). 
There wasn't a card punch, so I had to work out the codes and punch them 
by hand.  Didn't need no stinking IDE.  Of course, it took hours to set up 
something that would loop, test and branch.

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RE: [OT] Ancient computing

2003-03-04 Thread Ray Madigan
Well - lets see:

Does older win this contest :-)

My first computing experience was in high school.  We had a room in 
the science lab with an old IBM computer - I think at one time it
was the state of the art mainframe.  But you would program with
toggle switches, and you could save your program to rolls of punch
paper.  If the paper role tore or got bent you were out of luck.

Anyone wanna guess how long ago that was.

LOL

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I wrote the first design patterns using sticks and stones.
Facade was easy.
Iterator was hard and took up a lot of rocks.

:)

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TI-994A - which could generate tow tones same time.  very cool machine.

.anil

James Childers wrote:

 My first experience with programming was on a TI-994A. Had 4K RAM, I
think, and no storage. Yes, you heard me right: no storage. Not a floppy. I
would write a program and as soon as I turned the computer off it was gone
forever.


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RE: [OT] Ancient computing (was RE: [OT] Don't beat on James! (wasRE:[OT] JavaScript: ActionForm Does Not Contain Dynamically Set Data)

2003-03-04 Thread James Higginbotham
Ah, a fellow c=64 programmer! Yep, I even bought a C=128 + floppy drive
+ some games from Goodwill computers in Austin about a year ago..
Haven't unpacked it since the move.. Mail Order Monsters here I come!

James

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 Wow - some of you guys are *old*.  =)
 
 My first was a Commodore 128K.  Spent endless hours typing in 
 games from the Commodore magazine - budding programmer even then. :P
 
 Becky
 
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My first two computers didn't even have floppy drives 
 ... 300 baud 
tape
  and 1024 bytes of memory!
  
   My machine TOTALLY ruled over yours; I had 4K.
  
 
 
 
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