Re: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:07:10 -0800, Nadeem Bitar wrote: Which role will struts play when JSF matures, and JSF 2.0 is released is what interests me more than the proposed name of struts 2.0. Struts will be whatever the community needs it to be. The Struts-JSF taglib Craig put together demonstrates that it's not an either/or proposition. Even today, not every application needs to use Struts. For smaller, simpler applications a Model 1 approach works just fine. With JSF, many moderate-sized applications might not need Struts either. But, in my experience, large, complex applications do need front controllers. Even Microsoft admits that now. The next generation of .NET (Whidbey) will include a front controller out of the box. The core role of Struts has always been to provide missing pieces that help enterprise developers connect the dots. As we discover what JSF is missing, we can help provide those pieces too. Same old, same old :) -Ted. Developing Web Applications Using Open Source Tools Saturday, 3 Apr 2004, New York City http://basebeans.com/do/website - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
I guess what I was trying to say that JSF currently complement struts and the overlap is very small but I think future version of JSF would improve upon JSF current navigation model and would have an improved controller, validation ... and the two frameworks would be very similar and it would be hard to choose struts over JSF or even bother to use a hybrid solution. Personally I think if struts 2.0 would be able to leverage JSF and JSTL and add IoC, cleaner interfaces, workflow, chained actions and JMX configured ActionMapping it would make it my ideal framework and would probably make it the best framework for medium to large scale projects. On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 07:29 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:07:10 -0800, Nadeem Bitar wrote: Which role will struts play when JSF matures and JSF 2.0 is released is what interests me more than the proposed name of struts 2.0. Struts will be whatever the community needs it to be. The Struts-JSF taglib Craig put together demonstrates that it's not an either/or proposition. Even today, not every application needs to use Struts. For smaller, simpler applications a Model 1 approach works just fine. With JSF, many moderate-sized applications might not need Struts either. But, in my experience, large, complex applications do need front controllers. Even Microsoft admits that now. The next generation of .NET (Whidbey) will include a front controller out of the box. The core role of Struts has always been to provide missing pieces that help enterprise developers connect the dots. As we discover what JSF is missing, we can help provide those pieces too. Same old, same old :) -Ted. Developing Web Applications Using Open Source Tools Saturday, 3 Apr 2004, New York City http://basebeans.com/do/website - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
Personally I think if struts 2.0 would be able to leverage JSF and JSTL and add IoC, cleaner interfaces, workflow, chained actions and JMX configured ActionMapping it would make it my ideal framework and would probably make it the best framework for medium to large scale projects. Sounds great! C'mon over to struts-dev and help us build it! Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jef Raskin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
hi nadeem Personally I think if struts 2.0 would be able to leverage JSF and JSTL and add IoC, cleaner interfaces, workflow, chained actions and JMX configured ActionMapping it would make it my ideal framework and would probably make it the best framework for medium to large scale projects. JMX sounds great to me! +1 on adding it to be supported :-) Chain, workflow and so on will be integrated until into 2.0 (http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/status.html) and of course supporting jsr-168 i really think, it matures struts! :-) PS: did you read that link: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=22097 ? cheers, Matthias On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 07:29 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:07:10 -0800, Nadeem Bitar wrote: Which role will struts play when JSF matures and JSF 2.0 is released is what interests me more than the proposed name of struts 2.0. Struts will be whatever the community needs it to be. The Struts-JSF taglib Craig put together demonstrates that it's not an either/or proposition. Even today, not every application needs to use Struts. For smaller, simpler applications a Model 1 approach works just fine. With JSF, many moderate-sized applications might not need Struts either. But, in my experience, large, complex applications do need front controllers. Even Microsoft admits that now. The next generation of .NET (Whidbey) will include a front controller out of the box. The core role of Struts has always been to provide missing pieces that help enterprise developers connect the dots. As we discover what JSF is missing, we can help provide those pieces too. Same old, same old :) -Ted. Developing Web Applications Using Open Source Tools Saturday, 3 Apr 2004, New York City http://basebeans.com/do/website - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
+ 1 Struts 2 or Struts v2 say what it is: a new major version of struts. Struts2 or Struts2EE imply: It is not Struts. It may be based on Struts, or is something similar. Jericho, or whatever other name choosen, just say nothing at all... regards Alexander -Original Message- From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Samstag, 13. März 2004 09:09 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? +1 Damn fool name. I much prefer the sound of Struts 2 myself... Struts2EE perhaps ?? ;- -Original Message- From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 02:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? This name seems like a bad choice. The city of Jericho was destroyed and all its inhabitants were put to the sword. That sounds like a bad thing to me. Larry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
At 11:33 AM +0100 3/15/04, Jesse Alexander (KAID 11) wrote: + 1 Struts 2 or Struts v2 say what it is: a new major version of struts. Struts2 or Struts2EE imply: It is not Struts. It may be based on Struts, or is something similar. Jericho, or whatever other name choosen, just say nothing at all... merlin, tiger, longhorn, whidbey, panther, jaguar... folks, Jericho is just a name. When the thing actually gets released, it will be Struts 2.0. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jef Raskin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
I guess the Nova is the antithesis of the Yugo? -Original Message- From: Andreas Solarik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: AW: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? Yeah, you're right, its just a name. Something similar can be said for the following slogans: 1. Electrolux (vacume cleaners / hoovers) tried to enter the American market with the ingenious slogan Nothing sucks like an Electrolux (I'm so not kidding) 2. Chevrolet tried selling Chevy Nova's in Mexico Like you said, its just words... Andreas :) -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Joe Germuska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 15. Marz 2004 15:21 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? At 11:33 AM +0100 3/15/04, Jesse Alexander (KAID 11) wrote: + 1 Struts 2 or Struts v2 say what it is: a new major version of struts. Struts2 or Struts2EE imply: It is not Struts. It may be based on Struts, or is something similar. Jericho, or whatever other name choosen, just say nothing at all... merlin, tiger, longhorn, whidbey, panther, jaguar... folks, Jericho is just a name. When the thing actually gets released, it will be Struts 2.0. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jef Raskin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
I'm thinking Titanic, Soddom, Gommorah, Hindenburg are equally excellent names. :D [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/15/2004 8:15:06 AM I guess the Nova is the antithesis of the Yugo? -Original Message- From: Andreas Solarik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: AW: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? Yeah, you're right, its just a name. Something similar can be said for the following slogans: 1. Electrolux (vacume cleaners / hoovers) tried to enter the American market with the ingenious slogan Nothing sucks like an Electrolux (I'm so not kidding) 2. Chevrolet tried selling Chevy Nova's in Mexico Like you said, its just words... Andreas :) -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Joe Germuska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 15. Marz 2004 15:21 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? At 11:33 AM +0100 3/15/04, Jesse Alexander (KAID 11) wrote: + 1 Struts 2 or Struts v2 say what it is: a new major version of struts. Struts2 or Struts2EE imply: It is not Struts. It may be based on Struts, or is something similar. Jericho, or whatever other name choosen, just say nothing at all... merlin, tiger, longhorn, whidbey, panther, jaguar... folks, Jericho is just a name. When the thing actually gets released, it will be Struts 2.0. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jef Raskin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
On a more on-topic note, where can I get info on the new features / differences in Struts 1.1 and 2.0? This page http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/status.html has a small bit of info, but I wanted a bit more. Is there a page set up with all the info or is it just making rounds in the dev list? -Original Message- From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? I'm thinking Titanic, Soddom, Gommorah, Hindenburg are equally excellent names. :D [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/15/2004 8:15:06 AM I guess the Nova is the antithesis of the Yugo? -Original Message- From: Andreas Solarik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:47 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: AW: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? Yeah, you're right, its just a name. Something similar can be said for the following slogans: 1. Electrolux (vacume cleaners / hoovers) tried to enter the American market with the ingenious slogan Nothing sucks like an Electrolux (I'm so not kidding) 2. Chevrolet tried selling Chevy Nova's in Mexico Like you said, its just words... Andreas :) -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Joe Germuska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 15. Marz 2004 15:21 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0? At 11:33 AM +0100 3/15/04, Jesse Alexander (KAID 11) wrote: + 1 Struts 2 or Struts v2 say what it is: a new major version of struts. Struts2 or Struts2EE imply: It is not Struts. It may be based on Struts, or is something similar. Jericho, or whatever other name choosen, just say nothing at all... merlin, tiger, longhorn, whidbey, panther, jaguar... folks, Jericho is just a name. When the thing actually gets released, it will be Struts 2.0. Joe -- Joe Germuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.germuska.com Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining. -- Jef Raskin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
Doing a google search for struts jericho might be a good start. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/15/04 8:40 AM On a more on-topic note, where can I get info on the new features / differences in Struts 1.1 and 2.0? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
The Apache convention is to give proposals a codename. Once a working implementation is available, then, and only then, do we start making decisions that might ultimately lead to assigning version numbers. Absolutely no one is saying that this proposal is going to be Struts 2.0. It's just a convenient place to post some notes until somebody decides to do the work. For more see, the README. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-struts/contrib/struts-jericho/ And this recent thread on DEV http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-dev%40jakarta.apache.org/msg21930.html -Ted. On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:21:12 -0600, Joe Germuska wrote: merlin, tiger, longhorn, whidbey, panther, jaguar... folks, Jericho is just a name. When the thing actually gets released, it will be Struts 2.0. Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
http://raibledesigns.com on this it is available find out.But not difference just download test build1.2 and make difference note and post it. -Jignesh On Monday 15 March 2004 21:14, Larry Meadors wrote: Doing a google search for struts jericho might be a good start. :) : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/15/04 8:40 AM On a more on-topic note, where can I get info on the new features / differences in Struts 1.1 and 2.0? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
no hablar engles? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/15/2004 9:15:54 AM http://raibledesigns.com on this it is available find out.But not difference just download test build1.2 and make difference note and post it. -Jignesh On Monday 15 March 2004 21:14, Larry Meadors wrote: Doing a google search for struts jericho might be a good start. :) : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/15/04 8:40 AM On a more on-topic note, where can I get info on the new features / differences in Struts 1.1 and 2.0? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Jericho == Struts 2.0?
Which role will struts play when JSF matures, and JSF 2.0 is released is what interests me more than the proposed name of struts 2.0. On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 09:26 -0700, Brandon Goodin wrote: no hablar engles? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/15/2004 9:15:54 AM http://raibledesigns.com on this it is available find out.But not difference just download test build1.2 and make difference note and post it. -Jignesh On Monday 15 March 2004 21:14, Larry Meadors wrote: Doing a google search for struts jericho might be a good start. :) : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/15/04 8:40 AM On a more on-topic note, where can I get info on the new features / differences in Struts 1.1 and 2.0? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
