subject:"RE\: \[OT\] Swing.... \[WAS\: RE\: \[ANNOUNCE\] Struts Console v3.0\]"

RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread James Mitchell

You're right Eddie, lack of caffeine  :)


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> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:35 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> Okay, I got it - I was clicking on the "Host" link instead of the
> "Download"
> link.  Duh.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:26 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> you downloaded the wrong version.  click on the project summary link.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:21:54 -0500
> >
> >With my browser (IE 6), a few seconds after the page loads, the download
> >dialog window pops up.  In fact there is also a link on the top
> of the page
>
> >in case it doesn't.  It is:
> >http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/solareclipse/net.source
> forge.sola
> reclipse.web.ui_0.2.0.zip
> >(which happens to be the mirror closest to me).
> >
> >Sri
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:20 PM
> >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> >Nope...try it yourself.  It brings you through a series of pages to a
> >mirrors page that links to generic websites.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Eddie Bush [mailto:ekbush@;swbell.net]
> >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 PM
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> >Did you miss the "download" link at the top-left?
> >
> >.oO( Someone suffering a caffine deficiency this morning? ) :-)
> >
> >Galbreath, Mark wrote:
> >
> > >This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All
> > >this gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in
> > >locating the file.
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM
> > >
> > >This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web
> > >development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard
> release.  I use
> > >the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but
> >it's
> > >better than a simple text editor.
> > >
> > >http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
> > >
> > >David
> > >
> >--
> >Eddie Bush
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread Galbreath, Mark

Okay, I got it - I was clicking on the "Host" link instead of the "Download"
link.  Duh.

-Original Message-
From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


you downloaded the wrong version.  click on the project summary link.






>From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:21:54 -0500
>
>With my browser (IE 6), a few seconds after the page loads, the download 
>dialog window pops up.  In fact there is also a link on the top of the page

>in case it doesn't.  It is:
>http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/solareclipse/net.sourceforge.sola
reclipse.web.ui_0.2.0.zip 
>(which happens to be the mirror closest to me).
>
>Sri
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
>Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:20 PM
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
>Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
>Nope...try it yourself.  It brings you through a series of pages to a 
>mirrors page that links to generic websites.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eddie Bush [mailto:ekbush@;swbell.net]
>Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
>Did you miss the "download" link at the top-left?
>
>.oO( Someone suffering a caffine deficiency this morning? ) :-)
>
>Galbreath, Mark wrote:
>
> >This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All
> >this gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in
> >locating the file.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM
> >
> >This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web
> >development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use
> >the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but 
>it's
> >better than a simple text editor.
> >
> >http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
> >
> >David
> >
>--
>Eddie Bush
>
>
>
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread David Graham

you downloaded the wrong version.  click on the project summary link.







From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:21:54 -0500

With my browser (IE 6), a few seconds after the page loads, the download 
dialog window pops up.  In fact there is also a link on the top of the page 
in case it doesn't.  It is:
http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/solareclipse/net.sourceforge.solareclipse.web.ui_0.2.0.zip 
(which happens to be the mirror closest to me).

Sri

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:20 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Nope...try it yourself.  It brings you through a series of pages to a 
mirrors page that links to generic websites.

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:ekbush@;swbell.net]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Did you miss the "download" link at the top-left?

.oO( Someone suffering a caffine deficiency this morning? ) :-)

Galbreath, Mark wrote:

>This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All
>this gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in
>locating the file.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM
>
>This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web
>development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use
>the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but 
it's
>better than a simple text editor.
>
>http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
>
>David
>
--
Eddie Bush




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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread David Graham

click on the project summary link.







From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:20:26 -0500

Nope...try it yourself.  It brings you through a series of pages to a
mirrors page that links to generic websites.

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:ekbush@;swbell.net]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Did you miss the "download" link at the top-left?

.oO( Someone suffering a caffine deficiency this morning? ) :-)

Galbreath, Mark wrote:

>This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All 
this
>gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in 
locating
>the file.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM
>
>This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web
>development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use
>the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but 
it's
>better than a simple text editor.
>
>http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
>
>David
>
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread Galbreath, Mark

Thank you, sir.

-Original Message-
From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:Sri.Sankaran@;sas.com]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:22 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


With my browser (IE 6), a few seconds after the page loads, the download
dialog window pops up.  In fact there is also a link on the top of the page
in case it doesn't.  It is: 
http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/solareclipse/net.sourceforge.solar
eclipse.web.ui_0.2.0.zip (which happens to be the mirror closest to me).

Sri

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:20 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Nope...try it yourself.  It brings you through a series of pages to a
mirrors page that links to generic websites.

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:ekbush@;swbell.net]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Did you miss the "download" link at the top-left?

.oO( Someone suffering a caffine deficiency this morning? ) :-)

Galbreath, Mark wrote:

>This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All 
>this gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in 
>locating the file.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM
>
>This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web
>development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use 
>the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but it's 
>better than a simple text editor.
>
>http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
>
>David
>
-- 
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread Sri Sankaran

With my browser (IE 6), a few seconds after the page loads, the download dialog window 
pops up.  In fact there is also a link on the top of the page in case it doesn't.  It 
is: 
http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/solareclipse/net.sourceforge.solareclipse.web.ui_0.2.0.zip
 (which happens to be the mirror closest to me).

Sri

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:20 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Nope...try it yourself.  It brings you through a series of pages to a mirrors page 
that links to generic websites.

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:ekbush@;swbell.net]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Did you miss the "download" link at the top-left?

.oO( Someone suffering a caffine deficiency this morning? ) :-)

Galbreath, Mark wrote:

>This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All 
>this gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in 
>locating the file.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM
>
>This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web
>development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use 
>the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but it's 
>better than a simple text editor.
>
>http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
>
>David
>
-- 
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread Galbreath, Mark

Nope...try it yourself.  It brings you through a series of pages to a
mirrors page that links to generic websites.

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:ekbush@;swbell.net]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Did you miss the "download" link at the top-left?

.oO( Someone suffering a caffine deficiency this morning? ) :-)

Galbreath, Mark wrote:

>This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All this
>gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in locating
>the file.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM
>
>This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web 
>development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use 
>the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but it's 
>better than a simple text editor.
>
>http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
>
>David
>
-- 
Eddie Bush




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Re: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread Eddie Bush

Did you miss the "download" link at the top-left?

.oO( Someone suffering a caffine deficiency this morning? ) :-)

Galbreath, Mark wrote:


This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All this
gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in locating
the file.

-Original Message-
From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM

This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web 
development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use 
the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but it's 
better than a simple text editor.

http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/

David

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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-11-01 Thread Galbreath, Mark

This link is not very helpful; do you have a URL to the download?  All this
gives you are links to generic mirrors that are in turn no help in locating
the file.

-Original Message-
From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:55 AM

This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web 
development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use 
the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but it's 
better than a simple text editor.

http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/

David

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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Daniel Joshua

Ignore my last message... found what I was looking for at the below link:

http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/~checkout~/platform-swt-home/faq.ht
ml


Regards,
Daniel


-Original Message-
From: Daniel Joshua [mailto:daniel.joshua@;gridnode.com]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:12 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Dumb Newbie Question: Is SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit) just for IBM's
Eclipse?

Regards,
Daniel


-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:33 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002 edition
of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what people have said
on this list has made me interested enough to try it out.  And it's
apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not Swing.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I also love vi

but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice

??

Xavier




> -Message d'origine-
> De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
> goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
> stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
> only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I love Swing.
> hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with
> Swing. Using it
> however... urrrgh!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
>
>
> Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
> lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's
> editorial in the
> 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
>
> Struts Console is Swing not SWT.
>
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Daniel Joshua

Dumb Newbie Question: Is SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit) just for IBM's
Eclipse?

Regards,
Daniel


-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:33 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002 edition
of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what people have said
on this list has made me interested enough to try it out.  And it's
apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not Swing.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I also love vi

but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice

??

Xavier




> -Message d'origine-
> De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
> goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
> stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
> only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I love Swing.
> hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with
> Swing. Using it
> however... urrrgh!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
>
>
> Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
> lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's
> editorial in the
> 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
>
> Struts Console is Swing not SWT.
>
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread David Graham

Fair enough.  I realize it's time consuming to open source something.  I 
think the tool is pretty nifty and was curious to see the source.

Dave






From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:05:54 -0800 (PST)

You're right, I wouldn't have to rewrite it, but
someone would.

I'm not opposed to open source, obviously, as I'm
involed with Struts and other open source projects.
However, I'm not ready to open source Struts Console.

-james

--- David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I've seen that one but it's currently not as
> nice as Struts Console.
> You wouldn't have to rewrite it if you made it open
> source :-).  What are
> your thoughts on that?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:49:08 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Well, Struts Console would essentially need
> everything
> >rewritten since 95% of the code is Swing code for
> the
> >GUI.  It just doesn't make sense to me to rewrite
> it
> >when there is already a native SWT Struts config
> >editor:
> >
> >EasyStruts
> >http://easystruts.sf.net
> >
> >-james
> >
> >--- David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If you made Struts Console open source, somebody
> > > could try porting it to SWT
> > > for you :-).
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE]
> > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:27:24 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >No.  Struts Console opens in another window
> because
> > > it
> > > >is written with Swing and not Eclipse's native
> SWT.
> > > >I'm not planning to rewrite Struts Console in
> SWT
> > > just
> > > >to work with Eclipse when every other IDE is
> using
> > > >Swing.
> > > >
> > > >-james
> > > >
> > > >--- Xavier Combelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > When I use Struts console eclipse plugin , a
> new
> > > > > window is open
> > > > > and when I use SolarEclipse, it is open in
> the
> > > > > editor pane.
> > > > > Do I have a problem in the configuration of
> > > struts
> > > > > console ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Xavier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -Message d'origine-
> > > > > > De : David Graham
> > > [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > > > > > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 17:55
> > > > > > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> > > [ANNOUNCE]
> > > > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I
> > > wish
> > > > > they would include web
> > > > > > development tools (like jsp highlighting)
> in
> > > the
> > > > > standard release.  I use
> > > > > > the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml
> stuff.
> > > > > It's not the best
> > > > > > but it's
> > > > > > better than a simple text editor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Sri Sankaran"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > &g

RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Haseltine, Celeste

I use both Lombaz and Aston Wizard.  Lombaz is better, but it is very
difficult to set up correctly.  Since I am NOT using one the application or
EJB servers it configured to work with, I have it only partially working in
my version of Eclipse.  

Celeste

-Original Message-
From: Sri Sankaran [mailto:Sri.Sankaran@;sas.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:41 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


What plug-in do you recommend for JSP editing?

When I looked (a few months ago) the choice was pretty light and even those
were very weak on code completion and error hightlighting.

Sri

-Original Message-
From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which is it's GUI and relative light 
weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote SWT because Swing stinks, 
everyone except Sun recognizes that (that should stir some people up ;-).  
SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS so it's fast and you get native

widgets, none of this fake stuff.

The swing implementation on the Mac is the only one that passes straight 
through to the OS like SWT.


David






>From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:33:25 -0500
>
>Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002 
>edition of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what 
>people have said on this list has made me interested enough to try it 
>out.  And it's apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not 
>Swing.
>
>Mark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
>I also love vi
>
>but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice
>
>??
>
>Xavier
>
>
>
>
> > -----Message d'origine-
> > De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> > À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> > I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 
> > 1.4 goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  
> > This is why
>I
> > stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource
>hogs,
> > only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me 
> > death!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> > I love Swing.
> > hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with Swing. 
> > Using it however... urrrgh!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
> >
> >
> > Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on 
> > providing a lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan 
> > Williamson's editorial in the 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's 
> > Journal?"
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
> >
> > Struts Console is Swing not SWT.
> >
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread James Holmes

You're right, I wouldn't have to rewrite it, but
someone would.

I'm not opposed to open source, obviously, as I'm
involed with Struts and other open source projects. 
However, I'm not ready to open source Struts Console.

-james

--- David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I've seen that one but it's currently not as
> nice as Struts Console.  
> You wouldn't have to rewrite it if you made it open
> source :-).  What are 
> your thoughts on that?
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:49:08 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Well, Struts Console would essentially need
> everything
> >rewritten since 95% of the code is Swing code for
> the
> >GUI.  It just doesn't make sense to me to rewrite
> it
> >when there is already a native SWT Struts config
> >editor:
> >
> >EasyStruts
> >http://easystruts.sf.net
> >
> >-james
> >
> >--- David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If you made Struts Console open source, somebody
> > > could try porting it to SWT
> > > for you :-).
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE]
> > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:27:24 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >No.  Struts Console opens in another window
> because
> > > it
> > > >is written with Swing and not Eclipse's native
> SWT.
> > > >I'm not planning to rewrite Struts Console in
> SWT
> > > just
> > > >to work with Eclipse when every other IDE is
> using
> > > >Swing.
> > > >
> > > >-james
> > > >
> > > >--- Xavier Combelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > When I use Struts console eclipse plugin , a
> new
> > > > > window is open
> > > > > and when I use SolarEclipse, it is open in
> the
> > > > > editor pane.
> > > > > Do I have a problem in the configuration of
> > > struts
> > > > > console ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Xavier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -Message d'origine-
> > > > > > De : David Graham
> > > [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > > > > > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 17:55
> > > > > > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> > > [ANNOUNCE]
> > > > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I
> > > wish
> > > > > they would include web
> > > > > > development tools (like jsp highlighting)
> in
> > > the
> > > > > standard release.  I use
> > > > > > the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml
> stuff.
> > > > > It's not the best
> > > > > > but it's
> > > > > > better than a simple text editor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Sri Sankaran"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> > > [ANNOUNCE]
> > > > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:41:14 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >What plug-in do you recommend for JSP
> > >

RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread David Graham

Yes, I've seen that one but it's currently not as nice as Struts Console.  
You wouldn't have to rewrite it if you made it open source :-).  What are 
your thoughts on that?

David






From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:49:08 -0800 (PST)

Well, Struts Console would essentially need everything
rewritten since 95% of the code is Swing code for the
GUI.  It just doesn't make sense to me to rewrite it
when there is already a native SWT Struts config
editor:

EasyStruts
http://easystruts.sf.net

-james

--- David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you made Struts Console open source, somebody
> could try porting it to SWT
> for you :-).
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:27:24 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >No.  Struts Console opens in another window because
> it
> >is written with Swing and not Eclipse's native SWT.
> >I'm not planning to rewrite Struts Console in SWT
> just
> >to work with Eclipse when every other IDE is using
> >Swing.
> >
> >-james
> >
> >--- Xavier Combelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > When I use Struts console eclipse plugin , a new
> > > window is open
> > > and when I use SolarEclipse, it is open in the
> > > editor pane.
> > > Do I have a problem in the configuration of
> struts
> > > console ?
> > >
> > > Xavier
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Message d'origine-
> > > > De : David Graham
> [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > > > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 17:55
> > > > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE]
> > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I
> wish
> > > they would include web
> > > > development tools (like jsp highlighting) in
> the
> > > standard release.  I use
> > > > the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.
> > > It's not the best
> > > > but it's
> > > > better than a simple text editor.
> > > >
> > > > http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE]
> > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:41:14 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >What plug-in do you recommend for JSP
> editing?
> > > > >
> > > > >When I looked (a few months ago) the choice
> was
> > > pretty light and
> > > > even those
> > > > >were very weak on code completion and error
> > > hightlighting.
> > > > >
> > > > >Sri
> > > > >
> > > > >-Original Message-
> > > > >From: David Graham
> > > [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE]
> > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which
> is
> > > it's GUI and
> > > > relative light
> > > > >weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote
> SWT
> > > because Swing stinks,
> > > > >everyone except Sun recognizes that (that
> should
> > > stir some people up ;-).
> > > > >SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS
> so
> > > it's fast and you get
> > > > >native
> > > > >widgets, none of this fake stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > >The swin

RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread James Holmes

Well, Struts Console would essentially need everything
rewritten since 95% of the code is Swing code for the
GUI.  It just doesn't make sense to me to rewrite it
when there is already a native SWT Struts config
editor:

EasyStruts
http://easystruts.sf.net

-james

--- David Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you made Struts Console open source, somebody
> could try porting it to SWT 
> for you :-).
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:27:24 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >No.  Struts Console opens in another window because
> it
> >is written with Swing and not Eclipse's native SWT.
> >I'm not planning to rewrite Struts Console in SWT
> just
> >to work with Eclipse when every other IDE is using
> >Swing.
> >
> >-james
> >
> >--- Xavier Combelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > When I use Struts console eclipse plugin , a new
> > > window is open
> > > and when I use SolarEclipse, it is open in the
> > > editor pane.
> > > Do I have a problem in the configuration of
> struts
> > > console ?
> > >
> > > Xavier
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Message d'origine-
> > > > De : David Graham
> [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > > > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 17:55
> > > > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE]
> > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I
> wish
> > > they would include web
> > > > development tools (like jsp highlighting) in
> the
> > > standard release.  I use
> > > > the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.
> > > It's not the best
> > > > but it's
> > > > better than a simple text editor.
> > > >
> > > > http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE]
> > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:41:14 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >What plug-in do you recommend for JSP
> editing?
> > > > >
> > > > >When I looked (a few months ago) the choice
> was
> > > pretty light and
> > > > even those
> > > > >were very weak on code completion and error
> > > hightlighting.
> > > > >
> > > > >Sri
> > > > >
> > > > >-Original Message-
> > > > >From: David Graham
> > > [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE]
> > > Struts Console v3.0]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which
> is
> > > it's GUI and
> > > > relative light
> > > > >weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote
> SWT
> > > because Swing stinks,
> > > > >everyone except Sun recognizes that (that
> should
> > > stir some people up ;-).
> > > > >SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS
> so
> > > it's fast and you get
> > > > >native
> > > > >widgets, none of this fake stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > >The swing implementation on the Mac is the
> only
> > > one that passes straight
> > > > >through to the OS like SWT.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Galbreath, Mark"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > &

RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread David Graham

If you made Struts Console open source, somebody could try porting it to SWT 
for you :-).

David






From: James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:27:24 -0800 (PST)

No.  Struts Console opens in another window because it
is written with Swing and not Eclipse's native SWT.
I'm not planning to rewrite Struts Console in SWT just
to work with Eclipse when every other IDE is using
Swing.

-james

--- Xavier Combelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I use Struts console eclipse plugin , a new
> window is open
> and when I use SolarEclipse, it is open in the
> editor pane.
> Do I have a problem in the configuration of struts
> console ?
>
> Xavier
>
>
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De : David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 17:55
> > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> > This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish
> they would include web
> > development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the
> standard release.  I use
> > the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.
> It's not the best
> > but it's
> > better than a simple text editor.
> >
> > http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > >From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:41:14 -0500
> > >
> > >What plug-in do you recommend for JSP editing?
> > >
> > >When I looked (a few months ago) the choice was
> pretty light and
> > even those
> > >were very weak on code completion and error
> hightlighting.
> > >
> > >Sri
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: David Graham
> [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> > >
> > >
> > >I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which is
> it's GUI and
> > relative light
> > >weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote SWT
> because Swing stinks,
> > >everyone except Sun recognizes that (that should
> stir some people up ;-).
> > >SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS so
> it's fast and you get
> > >native
> > >widgets, none of this fake stuff.
> > >
> > >The swing implementation on the Mac is the only
> one that passes straight
> > >through to the OS like SWT.
> > >
> > >
> > >David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:33:25 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Alan Williamson also makes a good case for
> Eclipse in the Oct. 2002
> > > >edition of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.
> His article, and what
> > > >people have said on this list has made me
> interested enough to try it
> > > >out.  And it's apparently built with SWT
> (Standard Widget Toolkit), not
> > > >Swing.
> > > >
> > > >Mark
> > > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: Xavier Combelle
> [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
> > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I also love vi
> > > >
> > > >but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a
> good choice
> > > >
> > > >??
> > > >
> > > >Xavier
> > > >
> > > >
> >

RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread James Holmes

No.  Struts Console opens in another window because it
is written with Swing and not Eclipse's native SWT. 
I'm not planning to rewrite Struts Console in SWT just
to work with Eclipse when every other IDE is using
Swing.

-james

--- Xavier Combelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I use Struts console eclipse plugin , a new
> window is open
> and when I use SolarEclipse, it is open in the
> editor pane.
> Do I have a problem in the configuration of struts
> console ?
> 
> Xavier
> 
> 
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De : David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 17:55
> > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> > This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish
> they would include web
> > development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the
> standard release.  I use
> > the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff. 
> It's not the best
> > but it's
> > better than a simple text editor.
> >
> > http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > >From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:41:14 -0500
> > >
> > >What plug-in do you recommend for JSP editing?
> > >
> > >When I looked (a few months ago) the choice was
> pretty light and
> > even those
> > >were very weak on code completion and error
> hightlighting.
> > >
> > >Sri
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: David Graham
> [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE]
> Struts Console v3.0]
> > >
> > >
> > >I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which is
> it's GUI and
> > relative light
> > >weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote SWT
> because Swing stinks,
> > >everyone except Sun recognizes that (that should
> stir some people up ;-).
> > >SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS so
> it's fast and you get
> > >native
> > >widgets, none of this fake stuff.
> > >
> > >The swing implementation on the Mac is the only
> one that passes straight
> > >through to the OS like SWT.
> > >
> > >
> > >David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:33:25 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Alan Williamson also makes a good case for
> Eclipse in the Oct. 2002
> > > >edition of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5. 
> His article, and what
> > > >people have said on this list has made me
> interested enough to try it
> > > >out.  And it's apparently built with SWT
> (Standard Widget Toolkit), not
> > > >Swing.
> > > >
> > > >Mark
> > > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: Xavier Combelle
> [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
> > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I also love vi
> > > >
> > > >but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a
> good choice
> > > >
> > > >??
> > > >
> > > >Xavier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Message d'origine-
> > > > > De : Galbreath, Mark
> [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> > > > > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> > > > > À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > > > > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE:
> [ANNOUNCE] St

RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Xavier Combelle

When I use Struts console eclipse plugin , a new window is open
and when I use SolarEclipse, it is open in the editor pane.
Do I have a problem in the configuration of struts console ?

Xavier


> -Message d'origine-
> De : David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 17:55
> À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web
> development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use
> the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best
> but it's
> better than a simple text editor.
>
> http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/
>
> David
>
>
> >From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:41:14 -0500
> >
> >What plug-in do you recommend for JSP editing?
> >
> >When I looked (a few months ago) the choice was pretty light and
> even those
> >were very weak on code completion and error hightlighting.
> >
> >Sri
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> >I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which is it's GUI and
> relative light
> >weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote SWT because Swing stinks,
> >everyone except Sun recognizes that (that should stir some people up ;-).
> >SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS so it's fast and you get
> >native
> >widgets, none of this fake stuff.
> >
> >The swing implementation on the Mac is the only one that passes straight
> >through to the OS like SWT.
> >
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:33:25 -0500
> > >
> > >Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002
> > >edition of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what
> > >people have said on this list has made me interested enough to try it
> > >out.  And it's apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not
> > >Swing.
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> > >
> > >
> > >I also love vi
> > >
> > >but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice
> > >
> > >??
> > >
> > >Xavier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Message d'origine-
> > > > De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> > > > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> > > > À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > > > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new
> > > > 1.4 goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!
> > > > This is why
> > >I
> > > > stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource
> > >hogs,
> > > > only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me
> > > > death!
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I love Swing.
> > > > hmm... actually come to thi

RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread David Graham

This is one area Eclipse is lacking in.  I wish they would include web 
development tools (like jsp highlighting) in the standard release.  I use 
the SolarEclipse plugin for jsp and xml stuff.  It's not the best but it's 
better than a simple text editor.

http://solareclipse.sourceforge.net/

David


From: "Sri Sankaran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:41:14 -0500

What plug-in do you recommend for JSP editing?

When I looked (a few months ago) the choice was pretty light and even those 
were very weak on code completion and error hightlighting.

Sri

-Original Message-
From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which is it's GUI and relative light
weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote SWT because Swing stinks,
everyone except Sun recognizes that (that should stir some people up ;-).
SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS so it's fast and you get 
native
widgets, none of this fake stuff.

The swing implementation on the Mac is the only one that passes straight
through to the OS like SWT.


David






>From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:33:25 -0500
>
>Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002
>edition of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what
>people have said on this list has made me interested enough to try it
>out.  And it's apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not
>Swing.
>
>Mark
>
>-Original Message-----
>From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
>I also love vi
>
>but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice
>
>??
>
>Xavier
>
>
>
>
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> > À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> > I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new
> > 1.4 goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!
> > This is why
>I
> > stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource
>hogs,
> > only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me
> > death!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> > I love Swing.
> > hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with Swing.
> > Using it however... urrrgh!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
> >
> >
> > Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on
> > providing a lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan
> > Williamson's editorial in the 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's
> > Journal?"
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
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> >
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Haseltine, Celeste

I have to add my 2cents on this dicussion.

I've been using eclipse for the past 3 months, and I absolutely love it.  If
you get the right plugins, you can customize it for whatever development you
are doing.  You can find a list of plugins for Eclipse at:
http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/eclipse/index.jsp.

I highly recommend it if you don't have the resources to purchase one of the
higher end tools.

Celeste Haseltine, PE
MTL, Inc
Dallas, TX 

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:33 AM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002 edition
of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what people have said
on this list has made me interested enough to try it out.  And it's
apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not Swing.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I also love vi

but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice

??

Xavier




> -Message d'origine-
> De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
> goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
> stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
> only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I love Swing.
> hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with
> Swing. Using it
> however... urrrgh!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
>
>
> Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
> lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's
> editorial in the
> 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
>
> Struts Console is Swing not SWT.
>
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Sri Sankaran

What plug-in do you recommend for JSP editing?

When I looked (a few months ago) the choice was pretty light and even those were very 
weak on code completion and error hightlighting.

Sri

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From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@;hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which is it's GUI and relative light 
weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote SWT because Swing stinks, 
everyone except Sun recognizes that (that should stir some people up ;-).  
SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS so it's fast and you get native 
widgets, none of this fake stuff.

The swing implementation on the Mac is the only one that passes straight 
through to the OS like SWT.


David






>From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:33:25 -0500
>
>Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002 
>edition of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what 
>people have said on this list has made me interested enough to try it 
>out.  And it's apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not 
>Swing.
>
>Mark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
>I also love vi
>
>but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice
>
>??
>
>Xavier
>
>
>
>
> > -----Message d'origine-
> > De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> > Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> > À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> > I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 
> > 1.4 goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  
> > This is why
>I
> > stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource
>hogs,
> > only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me 
> > death!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
> >
> >
> > I love Swing.
> > hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with Swing. 
> > Using it however... urrrgh!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
> >
> >
> > Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on 
> > providing a lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan 
> > Williamson's editorial in the 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's 
> > Journal?"
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
> >
> > Struts Console is Swing not SWT.
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread David Graham

I use eclipse for many reasons, one of which is it's GUI and relative light 
weight (50-60 MB).  The eclipse group wrote SWT because Swing stinks, 
everyone except Sun recognizes that (that should stir some people up ;-).  
SWT passes graphics calls straight to the OS so it's fast and you get native 
widgets, none of this fake stuff.

The swing implementation on the Mac is the only one that passes straight 
through to the OS like SWT.


David






From: "Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:33:25 -0500

Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002 edition
of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what people have 
said
on this list has made me interested enough to try it out.  And it's
apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not Swing.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I also love vi

but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice

??

Xavier




> -Message d'origine-
> De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
> goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why 
I
> stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource 
hogs,
> only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I love Swing.
> hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with
> Swing. Using it
> however... urrrgh!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
>
>
> Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
> lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's
> editorial in the
> 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
>
> Struts Console is Swing not SWT.
>
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Re: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread John Owen

Use JCreator. Or would you feel blasphemus using a Java tool written in c++?
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Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:09 AM
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> I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
> goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
> stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
> only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I love Swing.
> hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with Swing. Using
it
> however... urrrgh!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
>
>
> Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
> lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's editorial in
the
> 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Andrew Hill

I do remember reading some article a while ago about IBMs attempts to wrest
'control' of Java from Sun, and how the choice of "Eclipse" as a name was
nomenclaturally significant in this regard...

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Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 19:33
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Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002 edition
of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what people have said
on this list has made me interested enough to try it out.  And it's
apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not Swing.

Mark

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From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I also love vi

but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice

??

Xavier




> -Message d'origine-
> De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
> goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
> stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
> only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I love Swing.
> hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with
> Swing. Using it
> however... urrrgh!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
>
>
> Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
> lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's
> editorial in the
> 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
>
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Galbreath, Mark

Alan Williamson also makes a good case for Eclipse in the Oct. 2002 edition
of "Java Developer's Journal," p. 5.  His article, and what people have said
on this list has made me interested enough to try it out.  And it's
apparently built with SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit), not Swing.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Xavier Combelle [mailto:xcombelle@;kaptech.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:20 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I also love vi

but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice

??

Xavier




> -Message d'origine-
> De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Objet : RE: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
> goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
> stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
> only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I love Swing.
> hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with
> Swing. Using it
> however... urrrgh!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
>
>
> Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
> lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's
> editorial in the
> 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
>
> Struts Console is Swing not SWT.
>
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Galbreath, Mark

I know exactly what you are saying!  However, since I started using vi about
6 months ago, my knowledge of the Java J2SE and J2EE API has increased
10-fold because I cannot use the tool-tip (dot-completion) crutch.  Instead,
I have to actually READ the damn thing and make my own assessment of what is
appropriate.  Then compile and run...oops!  That wasn't the right method
...must...try...something...else...read...the...documentation.

:-)

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:13 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


Id be lost without my JBuilder since I started using it my brains
ability to store details of method names and parameters has dropped to zero.
Without my helpful tooltips Id be taking that second option :-(

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 19:10
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]


I love Swing.
hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with Swing. Using it
however... urrrgh!

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0


Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's editorial in the
10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"

Mark

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM

Struts Console is Swing not SWT.

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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Xavier Combelle

I also love vi

but for java developpement, maybe Eclipse is a good choice

??

Xavier




> -Message d'origine-
> De : Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2002 12:10
> À : 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Objet : RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
> goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
> stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
> only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]
>
>
> I love Swing.
> hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with
> Swing. Using it
> however... urrrgh!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0
>
>
> Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
> lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's
> editorial in the
> 10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM
>
> Struts Console is Swing not SWT.
>
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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Andrew Hill

Id be lost without my JBuilder since I started using it my brains
ability to store details of method names and parameters has dropped to zero.
Without my helpful tooltips Id be taking that second option :-(

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 19:10
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

I love Swing.
hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with Swing. Using it
however... urrrgh!

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0

Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's editorial in the
10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"

Mark

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM

Struts Console is Swing not SWT.

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RE: [OT] Swing.... [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

2002-10-31 Thread Galbreath, Mark

I agree, but then, I love Java - all of it (but especially the new 1.4
goodies!).  I even loved AWT! But as an end-user app?  Ugh!  This is why I
stopped using Forte, NetBeans, JDeveloper, JBuilder, etc.  Resource hogs,
only because they are built with Swing.  Give me vi or give me death!

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@;gridnode.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:02 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Swing [WAS: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0]

I love Swing.
hmm... actually come to think of it I love *developing* with Swing. Using it
however... urrrgh!

-Original Message-
From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:Galbreath@;tessco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 18:55
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Console v3.0

Swing sucks.  When is Sun going to get it's act together on providing a
lightweight GUI framework?  Anybody read Alan Williamson's editorial in the
10/02 edition of "Java Developer's Journal?"

Mark

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From: James Holmes [mailto:jholmes612@;yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:52 PM

Struts Console is Swing not SWT.

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