Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)

[V. Cekvenich]

-1.

My philosophy is under promise over deliver.
If you put this on a site, than someone's mileage may vary.
Then when you get on a client's site it will be "how come we didn't have 
 xyz here?"

.V

Robert McIntosh wrote:
I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think 
there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or 
something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put 
 up their "Why I love Struts" comments. I know I have to answer this 
question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to 
say "Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it'" or 
whatever.

Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is 
that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. 
Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of 
the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some 
major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is 
"IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere". Throwing in that big name 
usually helps...

My .02

Robert McIntosh



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RE: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)

[Mark Galbreath]

HandySoft also uses Struts for BizFlow (www.handysoft.com), an
industrial-strength workflow automation tool.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)


That is true. After all they both donate and use a lot of Apache/Jakarta 
stuff. I believe they use Jasper and I know they rebrand Apache web server.

Robert

David Graham wrote:

> You can also say, "IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD".  IBM is
> supportive of OSS in general though.
>
> David
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>> From: Robert McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600
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>> I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think
>> there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or 
>> something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could 
>> put  up their "Why I love Struts" comments. I know I have to answer 
>> this question often to clients and other developers and it would be 
>> nice to say "Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love 
>> it'" or whatever.
>>
>> Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there
>> is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source 
>> stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has 
>> one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production 
>> is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a 
>> manager type is "IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere". Throwing in 
>> that big name usually helps...
>>
>> My .02
>>
>> Robert McIntosh
>>
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RE: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)

[Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE]

Grrr  wrong OT to reply to, sorry about the confusion.


IBM likes open source because it commoditizes sofware which adds value to compliments 
like hardware and soda.  You may remember http://www.pepsiblue.com/index.htm

It's all starting to come together isn't it?

-Dave

> -Original Message-
> From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
> 
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> You can also say, "IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD".  IBM is 
> supportive of OSS in general though.
> 
> David
> 
> 
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> >From: Robert McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
> >Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600
> >
> >I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and 
> I think there 
> >should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or 
> something?) where 
> >all of these good folks who responded to him could put  up 
> their "Why I 
> >love Struts" comments. I know I have to answer this question 
> often to 
> >clients and other developers and it would be nice to say "Go 
> to the struts 
> >website and look at page 'Why I love it'" or whatever.
> >
> >Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source 
> and there is 
> >that fear amongst the management (generally) about open 
> source stuff. Never 
> >mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one 
> of the largest 
> >followings in open source Java, is in production is some 
> major companies, 
> >etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is "IBM 
> uses it for the 
> >admin on WebSphere". Throwing in that big name usually helps...
> >
> >My .02
> >
> >Robert McIntosh
> >
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Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)

[Robert McIntosh]

That is true. After all they both donate and use a lot of Apache/Jakarta 
stuff. I believe they use Jasper and I know they rebrand Apache web server.

Robert

David Graham wrote:

You can also say, "IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD".  IBM is 
supportive of OSS in general though.

David






From: Robert McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600

I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think 
there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or 
something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could 
put  up their "Why I love Struts" comments. I know I have to answer 
this question often to clients and other developers and it would be 
nice to say "Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love 
it'" or whatever.

Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there 
is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source 
stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has 
one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production 
is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a 
manager type is "IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere". Throwing in 
that big name usually helps...

My .02

Robert McIntosh


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Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)

[David Graham]

You can also say, "IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD".  IBM is 
supportive of OSS in general though.

David






From: Robert McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600

I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there 
should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where 
all of these good folks who responded to him could put  up their "Why I 
love Struts" comments. I know I have to answer this question often to 
clients and other developers and it would be nice to say "Go to the struts 
website and look at page 'Why I love it'" or whatever.

Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is 
that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never 
mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest 
followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, 
etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is "IBM uses it for the 
admin on WebSphere". Throwing in that big name usually helps...

My .02

Robert McIntosh


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