RE: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff the topic)

[Galbraith, Paul]

I agree, I just can't see tagging like this ever working all that well.

If there is an easily identifiable (esp. to non-Struts gurus) topic that seems to 
generate a fair amount of traffic, then I think a separate mailing list is a better 
idea.  Tiles is a good example, I think.

Paul

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Subject: Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we
getting o ff the topic)


Afternoon chaps!

My problem with starting these "[topic] subject" headers for our emails is that every 
time a new person posts to the list you'll be going through the same hell telling them 
how to format their headers correctly, (as well as how to search the archive, how to 
phrase questions . . . .etc) To me it would be nice if everyone done this, but chances 
are it's not going to happen. The few people who try to do it are going to get annoyed 
that no one else does etc. Getting people to put half decent headers on the emails 
would be a start. How many time have you seen things like "help" or "struts problem"? 
Why else are these people posting to the group? These headers might help with these 
problems, but I doubt it would ever be enough to filter your emails.

Totally agree that making 2 list will just encourage double posting too!

Regards
IV



>  from:Jerry Jalenak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  date:Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:28:01
>  to:      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  subject: Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff 
>the topic)
> 
> 
> 
>   Still chuckling about the Veggie Tales thread from yesterday. Thanks
> to everyone for lightening up the afternoon!
> 
> 
> 
> James Mitchell had a suggestion yesterday about using a [topic] prefix in
> the subject line that can be used to filter threads.  I know that I would
> use this as I don't really care about how to configure WebSphere or JBuilder
> (no offense intended) to use Struts.  James had a pretty good start on a
> list (see below); I vote that we ALL begin trying to use these and expand on
> them as needed.  It would be nice to be able to limit the number of e-mails
> that we all have to deal with from this list (and all of the others) that we
> belong to.
> 
> James List:
> 
> [DynaForms]
> [Validator]
> [Logging]
> [DTD]
> [EJB]
> [i18n]
> [IDE] - maybe include the name of the IDE?  i.e [IDE-JBuilder]
> [JSTL]
> [Modules] or [Sub-Apps]
> [Struts-Example]
> [Tiles]
> [SOAP]
> [Taglib]
> [UML]
> 
> I would like to add
> 
> [Struts-Config]
> [Tiles-Config]
> [Validator-Config]
> 
> etc.
> 
> or is this getting to fine-grained?
> 
> 
> Jerry Jalenak
> Development Manager, Web Publishing
> LabOne, Inc.
> 10101 Renner Blvd.
> Lenexa, KS  66219
> (913) 577-1496
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff the topic)

[wbchmura]

Heck I would just be happy if Outlook rules worked consistently and 
applied to server store...


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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:47 AM
To: struts-user
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we
getting o ff the topic)


wouldn´t it be nice if there was a convention of how filtering rules 
have to
look like?  That way one could just import them in to any mail program
*sigh* .

Regards,

Michael


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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we 
getting
o ff the topic)


>
> Even if they come close like:
>
> [tiles]
> [tiles problem]
> [tiles help]
>
> They would still be useful and sortable and to a degree filterable .
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ekbush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:14 AM
> To: struts-user
> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we
> getting o ff the topic)
>
>
> Maybe we could sweet-talk Craig into getting something put on the site
> about using them?  I don't know if he'd be willing/able to permit it 
(or
>
> get it permitted), but we could ... do something like has been done 
with
>
> the commons, at least.  There is a little blurb up listed with their
> list info that says:
>
> *Important*
>
> Since there are multiple projects in commons, please add 
[/projectname/
> ] at the beginning of the subject.
>
> ... and I can vouch for the fact that people use the [name] tags 
pretty
> regularly.  You most certainly could filter on it.  The thing to do
> would be to shun those who do not follow the convention.  If someone
> isn't willing to take the time to learn a communities
> standards/conventions, are they really worthy of help?  Of course, 
thats
>
> a bit more coarse-grained than was proposed, and I rather like the 
tags
> proposed, but maybe it's a suitable compromise.
>
> So we'd have something like:
>
> * [core]
> * [validator]
> * [tiles]
>
> That's nowhere near as exhaustive, and wouldn't provide as 
fine-grained
> control, but I think _anyone_ could manage to remember them ... It 
could
>
> still be useful, I think.  Any more exhaustive of a list would (IMHO)
> need to be posted somewhere folks would see (and read!) when they sign
> up for the list, if you want to hold them accountable for it to the
> point you would shun them.  I suppose a person could just email them a
> list of tags and suggest (nicely) that they use them if they want
> answers to questions ... but ...
>
> My $0.02
>
> Eddie
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Afternoon chaps!
> >
> >My problem with starting these "[topic] subject" headers for our 
emails
> is that every time a new person posts to the list you'll be going
> through the same hell telling them how to format their headers
> correctly, (as well as how to search the archive, how to phrase
> questions . . . .etc) To me it would be nice if everyone done this, 
but
> chances are it's not going to happen. The few people who try to do it
> are going to get annoyed that no one else does etc. Getting people to
> put half decent headers on the emails would be a start. How many time
> have you seen things like "help" or "struts problem"? Why else are 
these
> people posting to the group? These headers might help with these
> problems, but I doubt it would ever be enough to filter your emails.
> >
> >Totally agree that making 2 list will just encourage double posting
> too!
> >
> >Regards
> >IV
> >
>
>
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Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff the topic)

[Michael Delamere]

wouldn´t it be nice if there was a convention of how filtering rules have to
look like?  That way one could just import them in to any mail program
*sigh* .

Regards,

Michael


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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting
o ff the topic)


>
> Even if they come close like:
>
> [tiles]
> [tiles problem]
> [tiles help]
>
> They would still be useful and sortable and to a degree filterable .
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ekbush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:14 AM
> To: struts-user
> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we
> getting o ff the topic)
>
>
> Maybe we could sweet-talk Craig into getting something put on the site
> about using them?  I don't know if he'd be willing/able to permit it (or
>
> get it permitted), but we could ... do something like has been done with
>
> the commons, at least.  There is a little blurb up listed with their
> list info that says:
>
> *Important*
>
> Since there are multiple projects in commons, please add [/projectname/
> ] at the beginning of the subject.
>
> ... and I can vouch for the fact that people use the [name] tags pretty
> regularly.  You most certainly could filter on it.  The thing to do
> would be to shun those who do not follow the convention.  If someone
> isn't willing to take the time to learn a communities
> standards/conventions, are they really worthy of help?  Of course, thats
>
> a bit more coarse-grained than was proposed, and I rather like the tags
> proposed, but maybe it's a suitable compromise.
>
> So we'd have something like:
>
> * [core]
> * [validator]
> * [tiles]
>
> That's nowhere near as exhaustive, and wouldn't provide as fine-grained
> control, but I think _anyone_ could manage to remember them ... It could
>
> still be useful, I think.  Any more exhaustive of a list would (IMHO)
> need to be posted somewhere folks would see (and read!) when they sign
> up for the list, if you want to hold them accountable for it to the
> point you would shun them.  I suppose a person could just email them a
> list of tags and suggest (nicely) that they use them if they want
> answers to questions ... but ...
>
> My $0.02
>
> Eddie
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Afternoon chaps!
> >
> >My problem with starting these "[topic] subject" headers for our emails
> is that every time a new person posts to the list you'll be going
> through the same hell telling them how to format their headers
> correctly, (as well as how to search the archive, how to phrase
> questions . . . .etc) To me it would be nice if everyone done this, but
> chances are it's not going to happen. The few people who try to do it
> are going to get annoyed that no one else does etc. Getting people to
> put half decent headers on the emails would be a start. How many time
> have you seen things like "help" or "struts problem"? Why else are these
> people posting to the group? These headers might help with these
> problems, but I doubt it would ever be enough to filter your emails.
> >
> >Totally agree that making 2 list will just encourage double posting
> too!
> >
> >Regards
> >IV
> >
>
>
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RE: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff the topic)

[wbchmura]

Even if they come close like:

[tiles]
[tiles problem]
[tiles help]

They would still be useful and sortable and to a degree filterable .



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From: ekbush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:14 AM
To: struts-user
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we
getting o ff the topic)


Maybe we could sweet-talk Craig into getting something put on the site 
about using them?  I don't know if he'd be willing/able to permit it (or 

get it permitted), but we could ... do something like has been done with 

the commons, at least.  There is a little blurb up listed with their 
list info that says:

*Important*

Since there are multiple projects in commons, please add [/projectname/ 
] at the beginning of the subject.

... and I can vouch for the fact that people use the [name] tags pretty 
regularly.  You most certainly could filter on it.  The thing to do 
would be to shun those who do not follow the convention.  If someone 
isn't willing to take the time to learn a communities 
standards/conventions, are they really worthy of help?  Of course, thats 

a bit more coarse-grained than was proposed, and I rather like the tags 
proposed, but maybe it's a suitable compromise.

So we'd have something like:

* [core]
* [validator]
* [tiles]

That's nowhere near as exhaustive, and wouldn't provide as fine-grained 
control, but I think _anyone_ could manage to remember them ... It could 

still be useful, I think.  Any more exhaustive of a list would (IMHO) 
need to be posted somewhere folks would see (and read!) when they sign 
up for the list, if you want to hold them accountable for it to the 
point you would shun them.  I suppose a person could just email them a 
list of tags and suggest (nicely) that they use them if they want 
answers to questions ... but ...

My $0.02

Eddie

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Afternoon chaps!
>
>My problem with starting these "[topic] subject" headers for our emails 
is that every time a new person posts to the list you'll be going 
through the same hell telling them how to format their headers 
correctly, (as well as how to search the archive, how to phrase 
questions . . . .etc) To me it would be nice if everyone done this, but 
chances are it's not going to happen. The few people who try to do it 
are going to get annoyed that no one else does etc. Getting people to 
put half decent headers on the emails would be a start. How many time 
have you seen things like "help" or "struts problem"? Why else are these 
people posting to the group? These headers might help with these 
problems, but I doubt it would ever be enough to filter your emails.
>
>Totally agree that making 2 list will just encourage double posting 
too!
>
>Regards
>IV
>



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Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff the topic)

[vellosa]

Afternoon chaps!

My problem with starting these "[topic] subject" headers for our emails is that every 
time a new person posts to the list you'll be going through the same hell telling them 
how to format their headers correctly, (as well as how to search the archive, how to 
phrase questions . . . .etc) To me it would be nice if everyone done this, but chances 
are it's not going to happen. The few people who try to do it are going to get annoyed 
that no one else does etc. Getting people to put half decent headers on the emails 
would be a start. How many time have you seen things like "help" or "struts problem"? 
Why else are these people posting to the group? These headers might help with these 
problems, but I doubt it would ever be enough to filter your emails.

Totally agree that making 2 list will just encourage double posting too!

Regards
IV



>  from:Jerry Jalenak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  date:Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:28:01
>  to:      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  subject: Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff 
>the topic)
> 
> 
> 
>   Still chuckling about the Veggie Tales thread from yesterday. Thanks
> to everyone for lightening up the afternoon!
> 
> 
> 
> James Mitchell had a suggestion yesterday about using a [topic] prefix in
> the subject line that can be used to filter threads.  I know that I would
> use this as I don't really care about how to configure WebSphere or JBuilder
> (no offense intended) to use Struts.  James had a pretty good start on a
> list (see below); I vote that we ALL begin trying to use these and expand on
> them as needed.  It would be nice to be able to limit the number of e-mails
> that we all have to deal with from this list (and all of the others) that we
> belong to.
> 
> James List:
> 
> [DynaForms]
> [Validator]
> [Logging]
> [DTD]
> [EJB]
> [i18n]
> [IDE] - maybe include the name of the IDE?  i.e [IDE-JBuilder]
> [JSTL]
> [Modules] or [Sub-Apps]
> [Struts-Example]
> [Tiles]
> [SOAP]
> [Taglib]
> [UML]
> 
> I would like to add
> 
> [Struts-Config]
> [Tiles-Config]
> [Validator-Config]
> 
> etc.
> 
> or is this getting to fine-grained?
> 
> 
> Jerry Jalenak
> Development Manager, Web Publishing
> LabOne, Inc.
> 10101 Renner Blvd.
> Lenexa, KS  66219
> (913) 577-1496
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
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RE: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff the topic)

[Galbreath, Mark]

While Tomcat and JRun include a webserver to run in stand-alone mode, they
are not webservers; they are app servers as well.  I like your idea, though.

Mark

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From: Michael Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:40 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we
getting o ff the topic)


I think a filter is good...the best filter being [OT]
My 5 c
add...
[APPSVR-WLS]
[APPSVR-JBOSS]
[WEBSVR-TOMCAT]
[WEBSVR-JRUN]
etc...
Michael Lee

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From: "Jerry Jalenak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o
ff the topic)


> 
>
> Still chuckling about the Veggie Tales thread from yesterday. Thanks
> to everyone for lightening up the afternoon!
>
> 
>
> James Mitchell had a suggestion yesterday about using a [topic] prefix in
> the subject line that can be used to filter threads.  I know that I would
> use this as I don't really care about how to configure WebSphere or
JBuilder
> (no offense intended) to use Struts.  James had a pretty good start on a
> list (see below); I vote that we ALL begin trying to use these and expand
on
> them as needed.  It would be nice to be able to limit the number of
e-mails
> that we all have to deal with from this list (and all of the others) that
we
> belong to.
>
> James List:
>
> [DynaForms]
> [Validator]
> [Logging]
> [DTD]
> [EJB]
> [i18n]
> [IDE] - maybe include the name of the IDE?  i.e [IDE-JBuilder]
> [JSTL]
> [Modules] or [Sub-Apps]
> [Struts-Example]
> [Tiles]
> [SOAP]
> [Taglib]
> [UML]
>
> I would like to add
>
> [Struts-Config]
> [Tiles-Config]
> [Validator-Config]
>
> etc.
>
> or is this getting to fine-grained?
>
>
> Jerry Jalenak
> Development Manager, Web Publishing
> LabOne, Inc.
> 10101 Renner Blvd.
> Lenexa, KS  66219
> (913) 577-1496
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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Re: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o ff the topic)

[Michael Lee]

I think a filter is good...the best filter being [OT]
My 5 c
add...
[APPSVR-WLS]
[APPSVR-JBOSS]
[WEBSVR-TOMCAT]
[WEBSVR-JRUN]
etc...
Michael Lee

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: [Proposal] Thread Topic Identification (was [BS] Are we getting o
ff the topic)


> 
>
> Still chuckling about the Veggie Tales thread from yesterday. Thanks
> to everyone for lightening up the afternoon!
>
> 
>
> James Mitchell had a suggestion yesterday about using a [topic] prefix in
> the subject line that can be used to filter threads.  I know that I would
> use this as I don't really care about how to configure WebSphere or
JBuilder
> (no offense intended) to use Struts.  James had a pretty good start on a
> list (see below); I vote that we ALL begin trying to use these and expand
on
> them as needed.  It would be nice to be able to limit the number of
e-mails
> that we all have to deal with from this list (and all of the others) that
we
> belong to.
>
> James List:
>
> [DynaForms]
> [Validator]
> [Logging]
> [DTD]
> [EJB]
> [i18n]
> [IDE] - maybe include the name of the IDE?  i.e [IDE-JBuilder]
> [JSTL]
> [Modules] or [Sub-Apps]
> [Struts-Example]
> [Tiles]
> [SOAP]
> [Taglib]
> [UML]
>
> I would like to add
>
> [Struts-Config]
> [Tiles-Config]
> [Validator-Config]
>
> etc.
>
> or is this getting to fine-grained?
>
>
> Jerry Jalenak
> Development Manager, Web Publishing
> LabOne, Inc.
> 10101 Renner Blvd.
> Lenexa, KS  66219
> (913) 577-1496
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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