Re: First Web Application: Really Need Help

2002-07-28 Thread @Basebeans.com 

Subject: Re: First Web Application: Really Need Help
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> Hi to all,
>
>
> Q#1
> What is the best hardware for me keeping in mind that 1000 user is going
to
> use it probably on Friday only?

I would approach the problem by figuring out the maximum number of users
logged into the system at any given time. [Since 1000 is the total figure,
the maximum would be much less, consider 100 users logged into the system],
Make this maximum number of user as a confugrabe parameter (this would be
helpful in scaling the system). Impose the maximum number limit (this will
make the system run at acceptable level for all logged in users, any user
trying to loginto the system after maximum limit should be made to wait).
Sorry i got into the design details. Now the answer : If you are considering
unix environment try Sun Fire V100, costs less than 1000$, is vertically
expandable, comes with iPlanet Web Server, Apache HTTP Server, Java all
preloaded - will save you lots of trouble plus will please your management.

> Q#2
> Do I need separate hardware for database or I can use same machine?
>
For that many users (1000) a respectable internal harddrive would suffice.

> Q#3
> Which server is best for me (like weblogic , websphere, )? What is the
> difference between websphere application server and apache webserver? How
> does this whole thing works? Probably we are going to use IBM's tool.

Your choice. You can also consider apache/tomcat or apache/resin if you want
to save $.
>
> Q#4
> Which database?
>

Your choice : Consider MySql to save $.

> Q#5
> Is Struts helpful for this kind of small project?
>

> Q#7
> Does websphere  work well with struts?
>
> Any advice you guys think would be helpful for me are most welcome.
>
>
> Please help me ASAP.
>
> vivek
>
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RE: First Web Application: Really Need Help

2002-07-26 Thread Singh, Sandeep 

Probably if you are going to use IBM tools
you can get a quote from IBM itself for all these things.
Even Websphere App server standard edition will
serve the purpose.You can use your existing Database(DB2UDB or Oracle etc)
where you business data is residing.



-Original Message-
From: vivek shrivastava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:31 PM
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Subject: First Web Application: Really Need Help


Hi to all,

I need really an urgent help. I have been given opportunities to build my 
first web application. It is a very simple application. It is basically a 
kind of time tracking application. Using this application a employee can 
enter the information for pay period (like any vacation sick, jury
duty.) 
and submit this for supervisor review. Supervisor is going to review and 
approve it. Once supervisor approved the information for a employee then 
employee can not change anything for a pay period. Finally few report based 
on the information. There would be around 1000 users who are going to use it

probably on Friday only.


I am sun certified Java programmer. i have been working in application 
development since last 6 years. I never build any web application. I need 
help to figure out some basic things. Please advise me ASAP.

Q#1
What is the best hardware for me keeping in mind that 1000 user is going to 
use it probably on Friday only?

Q#2
Do I need separate hardware for database or I can use same machine?

Q#3
Which server is best for me (like weblogic , websphere, )? What is the 
difference between websphere application server and apache webserver? How 
does this whole thing works? Probably we are going to use IBM's tool.

Q#4
Which database?

Q#5
Is Struts helpful for this kind of small project?

Q#7
Does websphere  work well with struts?

Any advice you guys think would be helpful for me are most welcome.


Please help me ASAP.

vivek


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RE: First Web Application: Really Need Help

2002-07-26 Thread Chappell, Simon P 

See comments below ...

>-Original Message-
>From: vivek shrivastava [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:31 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: First Web Application: Really Need Help
>
>
>Hi to all,
>
>I need really an urgent help. I have been given opportunities 
>to build my 
>first web application. It is a very simple application. It is 
>basically a 
>kind of time tracking application. Using this application a 
>employee can 
>enter the information for pay period (like any vacation sick, 
>jury duty.) 
>and submit this for supervisor review. Supervisor is going to 
>review and 
>approve it. Once supervisor approved the information for a 
>employee then 
>employee can not change anything for a pay period. Finally few 
>report based 
>on the information. There would be around 1000 users who are 
>going to use it 
>probably on Friday only.
>
>
>I am sun certified Java programmer. i have been working in application 
>development since last 6 years. I never build any web 
>application. I need 
>help to figure out some basic things. Please advise me ASAP.
>
>Q#1
>What is the best hardware for me keeping in mind that 1000 
>user is going to 
>use it probably on Friday only?

Some might use it on Monday mornings. That's what happens around here. Also, some of 
our folks enter their time at the end of each day. Will your system allow for that? My 
gut feel for hardware would be for a smallish Unix server or a medium sized Windows 
server. At least two CPUs.


>Q#2
>Do I need separate hardware for database or I can use same machine?

Need - no. Might be useful - yes. Design the system in layers and you can put the DB 
anywhere you want.

>Q#3
>Which server is best for me (like weblogic , websphere, )? What is the 
>difference between websphere application server and apache 
>webserver? How 
>does this whole thing works? Probably we are going to use IBM's tool.

Your company most likely has a STANDARD that you should follow for fear that the sky 
will fall and cats and dogs will start sleeping together. If you like your job, follow 
the STANDARD. Me  I'm quite happy hacking around with JBoss.

>Q#4
>Which database?

See my previous comment about STANDARDS from upon high. We use DB2 here because our 
STANDARDS say so. I quite like HSQLDB for my own tinkering.

>Q#5
>Is Struts helpful for this kind of small project?

Yes and no. Struts is VERY helpful if you are building an MVC web frontend. Struts 
will not help or hinder anything that you do on the back end. On my current project, 
struts stuff is about one third of the whole project (100% of what the users see), 
while our back end is the other two thirds. We have found struts very helpful for the 
"V" and "C" in MVC, but remember that the "M" is huge! :-)

>Q#7
>Does websphere  work well with struts?

Don't know. I try to avoid W.A.S. as much as possible. See my previous comment about 
JBoss. Our tactically approved App Server for internal apps at this time is JRun. It 
works and no one swears at it.

>Any advice you guys think would be helpful for me are most welcome.

A web application is like an iceberg, the pretty bits are only the top 10%. Get an 
experienced web developer on your team. Contract in a mentor. This has worked well for 
a number of teams that I have been on.

>Please help me ASAP.
>
>vivek

Hope this helps.

Simon

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Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526

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RE: First Web Application: Really Need Help

2002-07-26 Thread wbchmura 




Q#1 - how many transactions each over how long?  1000 people entering in 
between 4:45 and 5:00pm or over 3 shifts...  Makes an incredible 
difference
(over 24 hours on a friday it could be as low as 1 users per minute or a 
focused timeframe could be 70 per minute.  We just finished analysis for 
a corporate wide timeclock system for the plants.  Usage spiked at the 
start and end of shifts and a half hour each way.  We are also in 
different time zones, so it spread out nicely...


Q#4 - We are MySQL and Oracle (Guess which one is cheaper?)


Q#5 - Struts good, especially if you are just getting started on the web 
side




-Original Message-
From: viveksri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:31 PM
To: struts-user
Subject: First Web Application: Really Need Help


Hi to all,

I need really an urgent help. I have been given opportunities to build 
my 
first web application. It is a very simple application. It is basically 
a 
kind of time tracking application. Using this application a employee can 

enter the information for pay period (like any vacation sick, jury 
duty…..) 
and submit this for supervisor review. Supervisor is going to review and 

approve it. Once supervisor approved the information for a employee then 

employee can not change anything for a pay period. Finally few report 
based 
on the information. There would be around 1000 users who are going to 
use it 
probably on Friday only.


I am sun certified Java programmer. i have been working in application 
development since last 6 years. I never build any web application. I 
need 
help to figure out some basic things. Please advise me ASAP.

Q#1
What is the best hardware for me keeping in mind that 1000 user is going 
to 
use it probably on Friday only?

Q#2
Do I need separate hardware for database or I can use same machine?

Q#3
Which server is best for me (like weblogic , websphere, )? What is the 
difference between websphere application server and apache webserver? 
How 
does this whole thing works? Probably we are going to use IBM’s tool.

Q#4
Which database?

Q#5
Is Struts helpful for this kind of small project?

Q#7
Does websphere  work well with struts?

Any advice you guys think would be helpful for me are most welcome.


Please help me ASAP.

vivek


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Re: First Web Application: Really Need Help

2002-07-26 Thread @Basebeans.com 

Subject: Re: First Web Application: Really Need Help
From: Vic C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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vivek shrivastava wrote:
> Hi to all,
> 
> I need really an urgent help. I have been given opportunities to build 
> my first web application. It is a very simple application. It is 
> basically a kind of time tracking application. Using this application a 
> employee can enter the information for pay period (like any vacation 
> sick, jury duty.) and submit this for supervisor review. Supervisor is 
> going to review and approve it. Once supervisor approved the information 
> for a employee then employee can not change anything for a pay period. 
> Finally few report based on the information. There would be around 1000 
> users who are going to use it probably on Friday only.
> 
> 
> I am sun certified Java programmer. i have been working in application 
> development since last 6 years. I never build any web application. I 
> need help to figure out some basic things. Please advise me ASAP.
> 
> Q#1
> What is the best hardware for me keeping in mind that 1000 user is going 
> to use it probably on Friday only?

Almost any with 1.5 gig of RAM. A cheap PC on Ebay with enough RAM. That 
is not a lot of transactions.


> Q#2
> Do I need separate hardware for database or I can use same machine?
> 

Same is ok.

> Q#3
> Which server is best for me (like weblogic , websphere, )? What is the 
> difference between websphere application server and apache webserver? 
> How does this whole thing works? Probably we are going to use IBM's tool.
> 

Tomcat is Free. What IBM tool? Eclipse?


> Q#4
> Which database?


PostgreSQL is fast and free.

> 
> Q#5
> Is Struts helpful for this kind of small project?
> 

Timcard is tricky, becuase of the cross reference table (many employes 
can work on many jobs)


> Q#7
> Does websphere  work well with struts?

Why waste $?

> 
> Any advice you guys think would be helpful for me are most welcome.
> 

If you get a mentor who deployed Struts before, it would be cost 
effective. Why not build an Swing/AWT application/applet first (since 
you have 6 years) as a prototype with a delegated DAO and then port to 
web app?

v.

> 
> Please help me ASAP.
> 
> vivek
> 
> 
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RE: First Web Application: Really Need Help

2002-07-26 Thread Tero P Paananen 

> Any advice you guys think would be helpful for me are most welcome.

Depending on how aggressive your schedule is, consider
getting outside help from someone who has developed
web applications before for this project.

If that's not an option for you, consider getting some
formal training in web development issues before you
start designing or implementing. It would go a LOOONG
way.

-TPP

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