Re: Newby - Looking for more idiot-proof documentation

2002-01-08 Thread cody.burleson 


Thanks!  I had not even been aware of Expresso.  This may be , in fact, a
better learning path to struts.

No flames.

This is great advice.

- Cody





Pete Carapetyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 01/08/2002 05:55:28 PM

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I am going to start attracting flames if I keep saying the same thing over
and
over again, but here goes


If you absolutely know what you are doing and can knock out an app with
everything in a day or so, this does not apply to you. But if you are not a
struts genius, and want to start with something that already works, try a
framework such as Expresso that has your security, database access layer,
and
everything else already built, where you can change code that works, rather
than
recreating everything from tutorials.

You can always go back to the from scratch stuff one piece at a time, but
at
least you will be starting with a secured site that works from the first
day and
holds pretty religiously to reasonable standards(?).


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> For example -
>
> I want to start by creating my security model.  Users in the database,
> login creates a session, access control lists, etc.  Is there an example
of
> a user handliung system anywhere?  Does struts provide any functions to
> help me work with my database or do I need to just do my own standard
JDBC?
>
> - Cody
>
> Cody Burleson/US/MCS/PwC@Americas-US on 01/08/2002 04:57:38 PM
>
> Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
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>
> Ok, so I am in love with what I see so far about struts.  Bud god forbid,
I
> can't even begin to imagine how to build anything with struts.  I have
> scoured the documentation and find them to be lacking the tutorial-like
> quality that idiots like me require.  Can anyone recommend any online
> references?  I have done the tutorial in the HP trailmap.  Can't seem to
> find anything else.  Ordered a book, but it will not be here for a while
as
> it is not yet published, I just learned.  Arggghhh.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> - Cody
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Re: Newby - Looking for more idiot-proof documentation

2002-01-08 Thread Ted Husted 

Just wondering, 

anyone here using 

http://player.sourceforge.net 

Looks neat, but I'm still getting into it. 

Personally, if I were starting from scratch, and don't have an existing
infrastucture to worry about, I'd certainly spend some quality time with
Expresso. (And I may  yet.)

And this looks especially neat:

http://webAppWriter.com/


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Pete Carapetyan wrote:
> 
> I am going to start attracting flames if I keep saying the same thing over and
> over again, but here goes
> 
> 
> If you absolutely know what you are doing and can knock out an app with
> everything in a day or so, this does not apply to you. But if you are not a
> struts genius, and want to start with something that already works, try a
> framework such as Expresso that has your security, database access layer, and
> everything else already built, where you can change code that works, rather than
> recreating everything from tutorials.
> 
> You can always go back to the from scratch stuff one piece at a time, but at
> least you will be starting with a secured site that works from the first day and
> holds pretty religiously to reasonable standards(?).
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > For example -
> >
> > I want to start by creating my security model.  Users in the database,
> > login creates a session, access control lists, etc.  Is there an example of
> > a user handliung system anywhere?  Does struts provide any functions to
> > help me work with my database or do I need to just do my own standard JDBC?
> >
> > - Cody
> >
> > Cody Burleson/US/MCS/PwC@Americas-US on 01/08/2002 04:57:38 PM
> >
> > Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
> >   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > cc:
> > Subject:  Newby - Looking for more idiot-proof documentation
> >
> > Ok, so I am in love with what I see so far about struts.  Bud god forbid, I
> > can't even begin to imagine how to build anything with struts.  I have
> > scoured the documentation and find them to be lacking the tutorial-like
> > quality that idiots like me require.  Can anyone recommend any online
> > references?  I have done the tutorial in the HP trailmap.  Can't seem to
> > find anything else.  Ordered a book, but it will not be here for a while as
> > it is not yet published, I just learned.  Arggghhh.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > - Cody

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Re: Newby - Looking for more idiot-proof documentation

2002-01-08 Thread Pete Carapetyan 

I am going to start attracting flames if I keep saying the same thing over and
over again, but here goes


If you absolutely know what you are doing and can knock out an app with
everything in a day or so, this does not apply to you. But if you are not a
struts genius, and want to start with something that already works, try a
framework such as Expresso that has your security, database access layer, and
everything else already built, where you can change code that works, rather than
recreating everything from tutorials.

You can always go back to the from scratch stuff one piece at a time, but at
least you will be starting with a secured site that works from the first day and
holds pretty religiously to reasonable standards(?).


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> For example -
>
> I want to start by creating my security model.  Users in the database,
> login creates a session, access control lists, etc.  Is there an example of
> a user handliung system anywhere?  Does struts provide any functions to
> help me work with my database or do I need to just do my own standard JDBC?
>
> - Cody
>
> Cody Burleson/US/MCS/PwC@Americas-US on 01/08/2002 04:57:38 PM
>
> Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject:  Newby - Looking for more idiot-proof documentation
>
> Ok, so I am in love with what I see so far about struts.  Bud god forbid, I
> can't even begin to imagine how to build anything with struts.  I have
> scoured the documentation and find them to be lacking the tutorial-like
> quality that idiots like me require.  Can anyone recommend any online
> references?  I have done the tutorial in the HP trailmap.  Can't seem to
> find anything else.  Ordered a book, but it will not be here for a while as
> it is not yet published, I just learned.  Arggghhh.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> - Cody
> 
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RE: Newby - Looking for more idiot-proof documentation

2002-01-08 Thread Kris Ellis 

You may find these useful...

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-struts/
http://www.jspinsider.com/tutorials/jsp/struts/strutsintro.view
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2001/09/11/jsp_servlets.html

Kris

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You might this link very useful
http://husted.com/about/scaffolding/strutByStrut.htm
HTH
Jeffy

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Ok, so I am in love with what I see so far about struts.  Bud god forbid, I
can't even begin to imagine how to build anything with struts.  I have
scoured the documentation and find them to be lacking the tutorial-like
quality that idiots like me require.  Can anyone recommend any online
references?  I have done the tutorial in the HP trailmap.  Can't seem to
find anything else.  Ordered a book, but it will not be here for a while as
it is not yet published, I just learned.  Arggghhh.


Thanks in advance,

- Cody

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Re: Newby - Looking for more idiot-proof documentation

2002-01-08 Thread cody.burleson 


For example -

I want to start by creating my security model.  Users in the database,
login creates a session, access control lists, etc.  Is there an example of
a user handliung system anywhere?  Does struts provide any functions to
help me work with my database or do I need to just do my own standard JDBC?

- Cody





Cody Burleson/US/MCS/PwC@Americas-US on 01/08/2002 04:57:38 PM

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Ok, so I am in love with what I see so far about struts.  Bud god forbid, I
can't even begin to imagine how to build anything with struts.  I have
scoured the documentation and find them to be lacking the tutorial-like
quality that idiots like me require.  Can anyone recommend any online
references?  I have done the tutorial in the HP trailmap.  Can't seem to
find anything else.  Ordered a book, but it will not be here for a while as
it is not yet published, I just learned.  Arggghhh.


Thanks in advance,

- Cody

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RE: Newby - Looking for more idiot-proof documentation

2002-01-08 Thread Rajan, Jeffy 

You might this link very useful
http://husted.com/about/scaffolding/strutByStrut.htm
HTH
Jeffy

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Ok, so I am in love with what I see so far about struts.  Bud god forbid, I
can't even begin to imagine how to build anything with struts.  I have
scoured the documentation and find them to be lacking the tutorial-like
quality that idiots like me require.  Can anyone recommend any online
references?  I have done the tutorial in the HP trailmap.  Can't seem to
find anything else.  Ordered a book, but it will not be here for a while as
it is not yet published, I just learned.  Arggghhh.


Thanks in advance,

- Cody

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