Re: How to go about??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Natural, I guess.who's gonna sit and write good documentation anyway. This is almost as hard as writing good software!) It my experience it's harder (and doesn't pay as well) -:0) Projects are always desperate for better documentation, and we have had some great pieces of ours sent in by people who were reading it, and wanted to improve it as they went along. That's where the Walking Tour of the example application came from. I wrote it to explain the example to myself, and then shared it with the group. Contributing documentation to a project is no different than contributing code. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/getinvolved.html The only caveat is that it *is* no different than contributing code, and so it should be in the same format as the rest of the documentation, ready to paste or otherwise patch. -Ted. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck Sanjay! Even the documentation to Struts itself does not tell you how to use it. Tells you how to build parts, but not really how to get them together. It's typical developer documentation. Open source software is wonderful, but developers do not seem to be as enthusastic about documenting as they are about developing. (Natural, I guess.who's gonna sit and write good documentation anyway. This is almost as hard as writing good software!) We need to start the Open Source Documentation Initiative and save this glorious revolution from its one greatest flaw. - Cody Sanjay Choudhary [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/06/2002 04:11:23 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: How to go about?? Hi Friends, I am very new to Struts. All I have done is worked out couple of examples from web to understand the Architecture. We are in a process of designing a Product and plan to use Struts Framework with EJB's. In my team 1. No one has any knowledge about Struts but they are very good with Java and J2EE. 2. Except for a HTML designer, most of the programmers are involved with backend programming. They have done very little HTML work. I was wondering if we will be able to create JSP's using Struts HTML tags and other tag libraries if a form is defined using pure HTML. 3. What is the best way to go about to learn Struts to use in practical life and how much time it takes? 4. What strategies did you guys adopt to move to Struts? 5. All pointers to valuable resources and design stratergies will be appreciated. Thanks you , Sanjay __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to go about??
What Steve said, and Sanjay Choudhary wrote: 2. Except for a HTML designer, most of the programmers are involved with backend programming. They have done very little HTML work. I was wondering if we will be able to create JSP's using Struts HTML tags and other tag libraries if a form is defined using pure HTML. If the Java Engineers will also be doing alot of the HTML coding, I'd recommend looking at Tiles early in the project. This lets you treat blocks of markup (both template and dynamic) like methods in a program. This can severely reduce the amount of markup the engineers actually have to touch. Instead they incorporate it by reference, much like calling a block of methods. So, with tiles an engineer might create a new Result page by adding this to a configuration file definition name=.item.Result extends=.Result put name=title value=New Item Result / put name=contentvalue=/pages/item/NewResult.jsp / /definition and then just writing the NewResult.jsp segment that exposes the result set (simplified from production, but this would work) logic:notEqual name=RESULT property=size value=0 TRTDTABLE width=100% TR class=greybg THitem/TH THname/TH THcategory/TH THdonor/TH THscript/TH THtype/TH /TR TR TDbean:write name=row property=item//TD TDbean:write name=row property=name//TD TDbean:write name=row property=category//TD TD align=rightbean:write name=row property=donor//TD TDbean:write name=row property=script//TD TDbean:write name=row property=itemType//TD /TR /logic:iterate /TABLE/TDTR /logic:notEqual The rest of the page, headers, footers, menus, even control buttons, can all be inherited from a layout that the HTML dude has crafted. Though, at the top, even that looks like a method: html:html tiles:useAttribute name=title scope=request/ tiles:get name=base/ tiles:get name=header/ tiles:get name=heading/ tiles:get name=messages / TRTD width=100% tiles:get name=caption/ /TD/TR tiles:get name=content/ -- THIS IS THE PART THE ENGINEER WRITES tiles:get name=back/ tiles:get name=footer/ /html:html Of course, my production version also includes stylesheets so the HTML designer can control that too, and some internal links so users can drill down, but you get the idea. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to go about??
There is a book: Struts Fast Track (See Resources Section on Jakarta Site). It has helped me. Also, read the API javadocs and the User Guide. -Original Message- From: Arnab Sengupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:50 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: How to go about?? Dear Sanjay, One and only one solution... Follow the structs Documentations and try to understand the struts example (only one is there) given alogn with the struts 1.0. It's too good and if one understands the inner logic of the example,he/she is unstoppable. It might take a week's time ..but worth investing. Best of luck and welcome to struts.. Arnab. - Original Message - From: Sanjay Choudhary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: How to go about?? Hi Friends, I am very new to Struts. All I have done is worked out couple of examples from web to understand the Architecture. We are in a process of designing a Product and plan to use Struts Framework with EJB's. In my team 1. No one has any knowledge about Struts but they are very good with Java and J2EE. 2. Except for a HTML designer, most of the programmers are involved with backend programming. They have done very little HTML work. I was wondering if we will be able to create JSP's using Struts HTML tags and other tag libraries if a form is defined using pure HTML. 3. What is the best way to go about to learn Struts to use in practical life and how much time it takes? 4. What strategies did you guys adopt to move to Struts? 5. All pointers to valuable resources and design stratergies will be appreciated. Thanks you , Sanjay __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to go about??
thanks ted, Where can I get info. on tiles? Sanjay --- Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Steve said, and Sanjay Choudhary wrote: 2. Except for a HTML designer, most of the programmers are involved with backend programming. They have done very little HTML work. I was wondering if we will be able to create JSP's using Struts HTML tags and other tag libraries if a form is defined using pure HTML. If the Java Engineers will also be doing alot of the HTML coding, I'd recommend looking at Tiles early in the project. This lets you treat blocks of markup (both template and dynamic) like methods in a program. This can severely reduce the amount of markup the engineers actually have to touch. Instead they incorporate it by reference, much like calling a block of methods. So, with tiles an engineer might create a new Result page by adding this to a configuration file definition name=.item.Result extends=.Result put name=title value=New Item Result / put name=content value=/pages/item/NewResult.jsp / /definition and then just writing the NewResult.jsp segment that exposes the result set (simplified from production, but this would work) logic:notEqual name=RESULT property=size value=0 TRTDTABLE width=100% TR class=greybg THitem/TH THname/TH THcategory/TH THdonor/TH THscript/TH THtype/TH /TR TR TDbean:write name=row property=item//TD TDbean:write name=row property=name//TD TDbean:write name=row property=category//TD TD align=rightbean:write name=row property=donor//TD TDbean:write name=row property=script//TD TDbean:write name=row property=itemType//TD /TR /logic:iterate /TABLE/TDTR /logic:notEqual The rest of the page, headers, footers, menus, even control buttons, can all be inherited from a layout that the HTML dude has crafted. Though, at the top, even that looks like a method: html:html tiles:useAttribute name=title scope=request/ tiles:get name=base/ tiles:get name=header/ tiles:get name=heading/ tiles:get name=messages / TRTD width=100% tiles:get name=caption/ /TD/TR tiles:get name=content/ -- THIS IS THE PART THE ENGINEER WRITES tiles:get name=back/ tiles:get name=footer/ /html:html Of course, my production version also includes stylesheets so the HTML designer can control that too, and some internal links so users can drill down, but you get the idea. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to go about??
Sanjay, 1. Your team will have a learning curve, but that mostly has to do with the tag libraries and the struts-config.xml file. 2. Yes, but you will have to convert the tags to the struts tags. 3. Use it and read about it. see the following web sites: http://www.husted.com/struts Look at the Projects and Examples, Tutorials, and Other Resources. I have a sample project that is listed on the site. It's at http://www.newparticles.com/struts 4. http://husted.com/about/scaffolding/kickstart.html and http://husted.com/about/scaffolding/strutByStrut.htm should help. 5. Subscribe to the user list, read often, and give back what you learn. Good luck, Steve - Original Message - In my team 1. No one has any knowledge about Struts but they are very good with Java and J2EE. 2. Except for a HTML designer, most of the programmers are involved with backend programming. They have done very little HTML work. I was wondering if we will be able to create JSP's using Struts HTML tags and other tag libraries if a form is defined using pure HTML. 3. What is the best way to go about to learn Struts to use in practical life and how much time it takes? 4. What strategies did you guys adopt to move to Struts? 5. All pointers to valuable resources and design stratergies will be appreciated. Thanks you , Sanjay __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to go about??
Good luck Sanjay! Even the documentation to Struts itself does not tell you how to use it. Tells you how to build parts, but not really how to get them together. It's typical developer documentation. Open source software is wonderful, but developers do not seem to be as enthusastic about documenting as they are about developing. (Natural, I guess.who's gonna sit and write good documentation anyway. This is almost as hard as writing good software!) We need to start the Open Source Documentation Initiative and save this glorious revolution from its one greatest flaw. - Cody Sanjay Choudhary [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/06/2002 04:11:23 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: How to go about?? Hi Friends, I am very new to Struts. All I have done is worked out couple of examples from web to understand the Architecture. We are in a process of designing a Product and plan to use Struts Framework with EJB's. In my team 1. No one has any knowledge about Struts but they are very good with Java and J2EE. 2. Except for a HTML designer, most of the programmers are involved with backend programming. They have done very little HTML work. I was wondering if we will be able to create JSP's using Struts HTML tags and other tag libraries if a form is defined using pure HTML. 3. What is the best way to go about to learn Struts to use in practical life and how much time it takes? 4. What strategies did you guys adopt to move to Struts? 5. All pointers to valuable resources and design stratergies will be appreciated. Thanks you , Sanjay __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to go about??
Dear Sanjay, One and only one solution... Follow the structs Documentations and try to understand the struts example (only one is there) given alogn with the struts 1.0. It's too good and if one understands the inner logic of the example,he/she is unstoppable. It might take a week's time ..but worth investing. Best of luck and welcome to struts.. Arnab. - Original Message - From: Sanjay Choudhary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: How to go about?? Hi Friends, I am very new to Struts. All I have done is worked out couple of examples from web to understand the Architecture. We are in a process of designing a Product and plan to use Struts Framework with EJB's. In my team 1. No one has any knowledge about Struts but they are very good with Java and J2EE. 2. Except for a HTML designer, most of the programmers are involved with backend programming. They have done very little HTML work. I was wondering if we will be able to create JSP's using Struts HTML tags and other tag libraries if a form is defined using pure HTML. 3. What is the best way to go about to learn Struts to use in practical life and how much time it takes? 4. What strategies did you guys adopt to move to Struts? 5. All pointers to valuable resources and design stratergies will be appreciated. Thanks you , Sanjay __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to go about??
Correction. Husted's stuff is a vast improvement over the stuff I've been seeing as of yet. Go Ted! (woosh - wiping the raw sweat off my brow...) - Cody STEVE WILKINSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/06/2002 05:25:31 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts user [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: How to go about?? Sanjay, 1. Your team will have a learning curve, but that mostly has to do with the tag libraries and the struts-config.xml file. 2. Yes, but you will have to convert the tags to the struts tags. 3. Use it and read about it. see the following web sites: http://www.husted.com/struts Look at the Projects and Examples, Tutorials, and Other Resources. I have a sample project that is listed on the site. It's at http://www.newparticles.com/struts 4. http://husted.com/about/scaffolding/kickstart.html and http://husted.com/about/scaffolding/strutByStrut.htm should help. 5. Subscribe to the user list, read often, and give back what you learn. Good luck, Steve - Original Message - In my team 1. No one has any knowledge about Struts but they are very good with Java and J2EE. 2. Except for a HTML designer, most of the programmers are involved with backend programming. They have done very little HTML work. I was wondering if we will be able to create JSP's using Struts HTML tags and other tag libraries if a form is defined using pure HTML. 3. What is the best way to go about to learn Struts to use in practical life and how much time it takes? 4. What strategies did you guys adopt to move to Struts? 5. All pointers to valuable resources and design stratergies will be appreciated. Thanks you , Sanjay __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
