Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Attilla de Groot via subsurface]

Hi Berthold,


> On 30 Sep 2020, at 00:11, Berthold Stoeger  wrote:
> 
> On Sonntag, 27. September 2020 15:56:30 CEST Attilla de Groot via subsurface 
> wrote:
> 
>> I’m making quite some local dives between my trips that I would like to
>> group as “local dives” to have a shorter overview in the list (which is why
>> the trip feature exists). As you can see in the attached screenshot, this
>> would end up as quite a weird list since these local dives are
>> discontiguous between the trips I’m making.
> 
> PR#2985 (https://github.com/subsurface/subsurface/pull/2985) should allow 
> moving any number of dives (also from different trips) to any arbitrary trip 
> via a context menu entry. Please test/comment.

I just installed 4.99 to test this and it works great! Thank you for this work.


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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Berthold Stoeger via subsurface]

On Sonntag, 27. September 2020 15:56:30 CEST Attilla de Groot via subsurface 
wrote:

> I’m making quite some local dives between my trips that I would like to
> group as “local dives” to have a shorter overview in the list (which is why
> the trip feature exists). As you can see in the attached screenshot, this
> would end up as quite a weird list since these local dives are
> discontiguous between the trips I’m making.

PR#2985 (https://github.com/subsurface/subsurface/pull/2985) should allow 
moving any number of dives (also from different trips) to any arbitrary trip 
via a context menu entry. Please test/comment.

Berthold



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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Berthold Stoeger via subsurface]

On Montag, 28. September 2020 18:09:21 CEST Attilla de Groot via subsurface 

> I created a trip and tried to
> add dives later, but you can only add dives to a trip that wasn’t
> immidiately above/below in the GUI.

That's indeed a strange UI restriction. The code to add/move a dive to an 
arbitrary trip is there - all that's missing is a "select trip" dialog.

Berthold




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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

Sorry, typo in there.

... if you have a dive TRIP that starts [end of month] and runs until 
[beginning of next month] ...


> On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Dirk Hohndel via subsurface 
>  wrote:
> 
> What a blast from the past. Very, very early in the Subsurface development, 
> that is exactly a feature that I envisioned and implemented.
> Linus absolutely HATED it. Because it's simply wrong and counter-intuitive if 
> you have a dive log that starts June 29 and runs until July 3.
> So instead he came up with that concept of trips, but trips that aren't just 
> a sequence of dives in the dive list, but that are a set of dives, regardless 
> of where they are in the dive list.
> Which is what we have today :-)
> 
> /D

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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

What a blast from the past. Very, very early in the Subsurface development, 
that is exactly a feature that I envisioned and implemented.
Linus absolutely HATED it. Because it's simply wrong and counter-intuitive if 
you have a dive log that starts June 29 and runs until July 3.
So instead he came up with that concept of trips, but trips that aren't just a 
sequence of dives in the dive list, but that are a set of dives, regardless of 
where they are in the dive list.
Which is what we have today :-)

/D

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor via 
> subsurface  wrote:
> 
> yes I know. i ment to add it as a feature for the main list, like some 
> default groups
> 
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:30 Jason Bramwell  <mailto:jb2c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> You can already find this under View>Yearly Statistics.
> 
>  
> 
> JB
> 
>  
> 
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>  
> 
> From: Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor via subsurface 
> <mailto:subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org>
> Sent: 28 September 2020 18:08
> To: Attilla de Groot <mailto:atti...@attilla.nl>
> Cc: Willem Ferguson <mailto:willemfergu...@zoology.up.ac.za>; Subsurface 
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> Subject: Re: Grouping and managing dive logs
> 
>  
> 
> Guys,
> 
> Why don't you think of introducing a feature like split by year /month in 
> subsurface and under that year to apear all dives/trips done in yhat 
> year/month?
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:03 Attilla de Groot via subsurface 
>  <mailto:subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On September 28, 2020 18:45:19 Dirk Hohndel  <mailto:d...@hohndel.org>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Attilla de Groot  <mailto:atti...@attilla.nl>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I think I’ve been wasting peoples time here … 
> 
>  
> 
> Oh no, you have not. It's always good to have these discussions as they help 
> us see how people use the software.
> 
> And of course you managed to make 90% of the people on this list SERIOUSLY 
> envious about the amount of diving you get to do :-)
> 
>  
> 
> /D
> 
>  
> 
> Subsurface is very nice and I'm trying to introduce it with other people.
> 
>  
> 
> I'm just lucky with a lake very close by and a job that requires travel 
> (although not this year).
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor via subsurface]

yes I know. i ment to add it as a feature for the main list, like some
default groups

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:30 Jason Bramwell  wrote:

> You can already find this under View>Yearly Statistics.
>
>
>
> JB
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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>
>
> *From: *Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor via subsurface
> 
> *Sent: *28 September 2020 18:08
> *To: *Attilla de Groot 
> *Cc: *Willem Ferguson ; Subsurface
> Mailing List 
> *Subject: *Re: Grouping and managing dive logs
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
> Why don't you think of introducing a feature like split by year /month in
> subsurface and under that year to apear all dives/trips done in yhat
> year/month?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:03 Attilla de Groot via subsurface <
> subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On September 28, 2020 18:45:19 Dirk Hohndel  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Attilla de Groot  wrote:
>
>
>
> I think I’ve been wasting peoples time here …
>
>
>
> Oh no, you have not. It's always good to have these discussions as they
> help us see how people use the software.
>
> And of course you managed to make 90% of the people on this list SERIOUSLY
> envious about the amount of diving you get to do :-)
>
>
>
> /D
>
>
>
> Subsurface is very nice and I'm trying to introduce it with other people.
>
>
>
> I'm just lucky with a lake very close by and a job that requires travel
> (although not this year).
>
>
>
> -- Attilla
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RE: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Jason Bramwell via subsurface]

You can already find this under View>Yearly Statistics.

JB

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From: Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor via subsurface
Sent: 28 September 2020 18:08
To: Attilla de Groot
Cc: Willem Ferguson; Subsurface Mailing List
Subject: Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

Guys,
Why don't you think of introducing a feature like split by year /month in 
subsurface and under that year to apear all dives/trips done in yhat year/month?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:03 Attilla de Groot via subsurface 
 wrote:


On September 28, 2020 18:45:19 Dirk Hohndel  wrote:



On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Attilla de Groot  wrote:

I think I’ve been wasting peoples time here … 

Oh no, you have not. It's always good to have these discussions as they help us 
see how people use the software.
And of course you managed to make 90% of the people on this list SERIOUSLY 
envious about the amount of diving you get to do :-)

/D

Subsurface is very nice and I'm trying to introduce it with other people.

I'm just lucky with a lake very close by and a job that requires travel 
(although not this year).

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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor via subsurface]

Guys,
Why don't you think of introducing a feature like split by year /month in
subsurface and under that year to apear all dives/trips done in yhat
year/month?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:03 Attilla de Groot via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:

>
>
> On September 28, 2020 18:45:19 Dirk Hohndel  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Attilla de Groot  wrote:
>>
>> I think I’ve been wasting peoples time here …
>>
>>
>> Oh no, you have not. It's always good to have these discussions as they
>> help us see how people use the software.
>> And of course you managed to make 90% of the people on this list
>> SERIOUSLY envious about the amount of diving you get to do :-)
>>
>> /D
>>
>
> Subsurface is very nice and I'm trying to introduce it with other people.
>
> I'm just lucky with a lake very close by and a job that requires travel
> (although not this year).
>
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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Attilla de Groot via subsurface]

On September 28, 2020 18:45:19 Dirk Hohndel  wrote:




On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Attilla de Groot  wrote:


I think I’ve been wasting peoples time here …


Oh no, you have not. It's always good to have these discussions as they 
help us see how people use the software.
And of course you managed to make 90% of the people on this list SERIOUSLY 
envious about the amount of diving you get to do :-)


/D


Subsurface is very nice and I'm trying to introduce it with other people.

I'm just lucky with a lake very close by and a job that requires travel 
(although not this year).


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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Attilla de Groot  wrote:
> 
> I think I’ve been wasting peoples time here … 

Oh no, you have not. It's always good to have these discussions as they help us 
see how people use the software.
And of course you managed to make 90% of the people on this list SERIOUSLY 
envious about the amount of diving you get to do :-)

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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Miika Turkia via subsurface]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 9:29 PM Attilla de Groot  wrote:

>
>
> On September 27, 2020 20:18:49 Miika Turkia 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM Attilla de Groot via subsurface <
>> subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 15:22, Jason Bramwell  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have my own way of doing this and this is done using a combination of
>>> tags and location name.
>>>
>>> For me my tag rules are:
>>> Deep = anything over 35m (this is just depth that I’ve chosen as my
>>> cutoff point)
>>> Deco = any dive with accelerated decompression. Mandatory or extended
>>> safety stops don’t count in my rules
>>>
>>> What you have suggested (nitrox, mandatory deco ceiling) could easily be
>>> done with tags.
>>>
>>> My location naming scheme is a bit less consistent and I have a couple
>>> of ways of doing this, whatever seems the most sensible. At home I use
>>> Country – Town/City – Site. On holiday I use Body of water – Country – Site
>>> (I do this if the trip is from a liveaboard where the port of origin is
>>> less meaningful) or Body of water – Country – Town/City – Site  (I do this
>>> if it’s a ‘day-boat’ leaving and returning to port.
>>>
>>> e.g.
>>> Adriatic Sea - Croatia - Krnica – Pascoli
>>> Adriatic Sea - Croatia - Plomin Luka – Vis
>>> Pacific Ocean - Chuuk - San Francisco Maru
>>> Red Sea - Egypt - Chrisoula K
>>> Red Sea - Egypt - Giannis D
>>> UK - Plymouth - HMS Scylla
>>> UK - Plymouth - SS James Egan Layne
>>> UK - Portland - HMS Boadicea
>>>
>>> This works for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that I can solve this with tags just like you. It would mean I
>>> have to add tags to all my previous dives, it will just cost me some time
>>> to add them. I thought it would be nice to have some additional search
>>> features though for people that have a large number of dives.
>>>
>>>
>>> For discontiguous dives as part of the same trip, that doesn’t make
>>> sense to me. A ‘trip’ as far as Subsurface is concerned is a set of
>>> contiguous dives for example some sea dives and some cenote/cave dives in
>>> Mexico but these would all be contiguous. I’d be interested in knowing the
>>> reasoning why you would want to use this otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m making quite some local dives between my trips that I would like to
>>> group as “local dives” to have a shorter overview in the list (which is why
>>> the trip feature exists). As you can see in the attached screenshot, this
>>> would end up as quite a weird list since these local dives are
>>> discontiguous between the trips I’m making.
>>>
>>
>> You can add a trip (or multiple trips) manually, and add selected dives
>> to the trip. Choose the dives you want to group together, click right
>> button within the selection and choose create trip above. This should group
>> all the selected dives together. (Not sure if it works if there is a
>> different trip in between the dives, but it should be easy to test out.)
>>
>
> I've tested that part, but then the local dives get added to the trip in
> between. I can create a trip for each period between my actual trips, but
> it would be nice to have my local dives grouped together.
>

If you select all the dives that are not in any trip and group them
together, they all are merged into one group. I just tested this with
Subsurface 4.9.6.
[image: image.png]

This is not something that I would use personally, but seems to be
possible. You could also use the filtering to hide the dives you do not
wish to see. I.e. choose the Location field and "None of", Exact, and then
specify the local dive sites: VV Ze4,De Beldert

Besides, if you wish to group dives by year, you can do that just fine.
Dives are grouped automatically (if you enable this) when there tissue
loading. But manually you can group even dives that are months apart.

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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Attilla de Groot via subsurface 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 17:35, JB2Cool  wrote:
>> 
>> They can be grouped into trips but one trip to your local lake is a separate 
>> trip to the next trip to the local lake. You can't say that the dives in 
>> Oct/Nov 2019 are part of the same trip as the dives in March 2020 when 
>> you've been to other places in between. Your example here shows the trip 
>> feature working perfectly IMO. If you wanted to shorten the list from what 
>> you have now you could make custom trips out of the Netherlands dives 
>> between your overseas trips but these Netherlands trips would each be their 
>> own short trip rather than one long meta-trip.
>> 
>> JB
> 
> No, I wouldn’t want to group every dive ever. I would probably group it per 
> year, so from my example the dives in the Netherlands in Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct 
> and Nov would need to be in a group. I understand I can group them in 
> separate trips, but that would defeat the purpose and would e.g create one 
> trip for one dive in September.

Nothing is stopping you from doing that. A trip in Subsurface is purely a 
logical collection of dives. There is no requirement that the dives are a 
consecutive group. Sure, the 'auto group' feature works that way, but if you 
want to do things differently, you can.
From a UI perspective it's a bit of a challenge because... yeah, the dive list 
really wants to be consecutive / ordered by date. But this isn't all that hard 
to do.

Go to last year. Select all the dives that you consider local dives. Right 
click, create trip. Now click on the trip header in the dive list and change 
the location to 'local dives'. Voila.

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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Attilla de Groot via subsurface]

> On 28 Sep 2020, at 17:35, JB2Cool  wrote:
> 
> They can be grouped into trips but one trip to your local lake is a separate 
> trip to the next trip to the local lake. You can't say that the dives in 
> Oct/Nov 2019 are part of the same trip as the dives in March 2020 when you've 
> been to other places in between. Your example here shows the trip feature 
> working perfectly IMO. If you wanted to shorten the list from what you have 
> now you could make custom trips out of the Netherlands dives between your 
> overseas trips but these Netherlands trips would each be their own short trip 
> rather than one long meta-trip.
> 
> JB

No, I wouldn’t want to group every dive ever. I would probably group it per 
year, so from my example the dives in the Netherlands in Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct and 
Nov would need to be in a group. I understand I can group them in separate 
trips, but that would defeat the purpose and would e.g create one trip for one 
dive in September.


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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[JB2Cool via subsurface]

They can be grouped into trips but one trip to your local lake is a
separate trip to the next trip to the local lake. You can't say that the
dives in Oct/Nov 2019 are part of the same trip as the dives in March 2020
when you've been to other places in between. Your example here shows the
trip feature working perfectly IMO. If you wanted to shorten the list from
what you have now you could make custom trips out of the Netherlands dives
between your overseas trips but these Netherlands trips would each be their
own short trip rather than one long meta-trip.

JB

On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 16:20, Attilla de Groot via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On 28 Sep 2020, at 08:51, Willem Ferguson <
> willemfergu...@zoology.up.ac.za> wrote:
> >
> > On 2020/09/27 20:29, Attilla de Groot via subsurface wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On September 27, 2020 20:18:49 Miika Turkia 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM Attilla de Groot via subsurface <
> subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You can add a trip (or multiple trips) manually, and add selected
> dives to the trip. Choose the dives you want to group together, click right
> button within the selection and choose create trip above. This should group
> all the selected dives together. (Not sure if it works if there is a
> different trip in between the dives, but it should be easy to test out.)
> >>
> >> I've tested that part, but then the local dives get added to the trip
> in between. I can create a trip for each period between my actual trips,
> but it would be nice to have my local dives grouped together.
> >>
> >> -- Attilla
> >>
> > The dive log is supposed to be a chronological sequence of dives.
> Tagging and filtering is designed to view groups of dives in any arbitrary
> way, exactly as in your requirement. I understand it's time consuming to
> add tags (I have had to do it myself), but if one requires additional
> functionality from the dive log,  the time invested in adding tags to
> historic dives is worth it.
>
>
> Sure, I understand how I can use the tagging and filtering to find the
> appropriate logs. The documentation however states:
>
> "For regular divers, the dive list can rapidly become very long.
> Subsurface can group dives into trips.”
>
> I would argue that the feature doesn’t cover reality since not every dive
> necessarily is part of a trip and you would still want to group them to
> prevent having a long list of dives (as shown in my earlier screenshot). I
> can imagine other use-cases as well, but at the end of the day having the
> ability to group discontiguous log entries gives more flexibility.
>
>
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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Attilla de Groot via subsurface]

> On 28 Sep 2020, at 08:51, Willem Ferguson  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020/09/27 20:29, Attilla de Groot via subsurface wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On September 27, 2020 20:18:49 Miika Turkia  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM Attilla de Groot via subsurface 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can add a trip (or multiple trips) manually, and add selected dives to 
>>> the trip. Choose the dives you want to group together, click right button 
>>> within the selection and choose create trip above. This should group all 
>>> the selected dives together. (Not sure if it works if there is a different 
>>> trip in between the dives, but it should be easy to test out.)
>> 
>> I've tested that part, but then the local dives get added to the trip in 
>> between. I can create a trip for each period between my actual trips, but it 
>> would be nice to have my local dives grouped together. 
>> 
>> -- Attilla 
>> 
> The dive log is supposed to be a chronological sequence of dives. Tagging and 
> filtering is designed to view groups of dives in any arbitrary way, exactly 
> as in your requirement. I understand it's time consuming to add tags (I have 
> had to do it myself), but if one requires additional functionality from the 
> dive log,  the time invested in adding tags to historic dives is worth it.


Sure, I understand how I can use the tagging and filtering to find the 
appropriate logs. The documentation however states:

"For regular divers, the dive list can rapidly become very long. Subsurface can 
group dives into trips.”

I would argue that the feature doesn’t cover reality since not every dive 
necessarily is part of a trip and you would still want to group them to prevent 
having a long list of dives (as shown in my earlier screenshot). I can imagine 
other use-cases as well, but at the end of the day having the ability to group 
discontiguous log entries gives more flexibility.


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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Willem Ferguson via subsurface]

On 2020/09/27 20:29, Attilla de Groot via subsurface wrote:



On September 27, 2020 20:18:49 Miika Turkia  
wrote:


On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM Attilla de Groot via subsurface 
> wrote:


You can add a trip (or multiple trips) manually, and add selected 
dives to the trip. Choose the dives you want to group together, click 
right button within the selection and choose create trip above. This 
should group all the selected dives together. (Not sure if it works 
if there is a different trip in between the dives, but it should be 
easy to test out.)


I've tested that part, but then the local dives get added to the trip 
in between. I can create a trip for each period between my actual 
trips, but it would be nice to have my local dives grouped together.


-- Attilla

The dive log is supposed to be a chronological sequence of dives. 
Tagging and filtering is designed to view groups of dives in any 
arbitrary way, exactly as in your requirement. I understand it's time 
consuming to add tags (I have had to do it myself), but if one requires 
additional functionality from the dive log,  the time invested in adding 
tags to historic dives is worth it.


Kind regards,

willem



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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Attilla de Groot via subsurface]

On September 27, 2020 20:18:49 Miika Turkia  wrote:
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM Attilla de Groot via subsurface 
 wrote:




On 27 Sep 2020, at 15:22, Jason Bramwell  wrote:

I have my own way of doing this and this is done using a combination of 
tags and location name.


For me my tag rules are:
Deep = anything over 35m (this is just depth that I’ve chosen as my cutoff 
point)
Deco = any dive with accelerated decompression. Mandatory or extended 
safety stops don’t count in my rules


What you have suggested (nitrox, mandatory deco ceiling) could easily be 
done with tags.


My location naming scheme is a bit less consistent and I have a couple of 
ways of doing this, whatever seems the most sensible. At home I use Country 
– Town/City – Site. On holiday I use Body of water – Country – Site (I do 
this if the trip is from a liveaboard where the port of origin is less 
meaningful) or Body of water – Country – Town/City – Site  (I do this if 
it’s a ‘day-boat’ leaving and returning to port.


e.g.
Adriatic Sea - Croatia - Krnica – Pascoli
Adriatic Sea - Croatia - Plomin Luka – Vis
Pacific Ocean - Chuuk - San Francisco Maru
Red Sea - Egypt - Chrisoula K
Red Sea - Egypt - Giannis D
UK - Plymouth - HMS Scylla
UK - Plymouth - SS James Egan Layne
UK - Portland - HMS Boadicea

This works for me.


I agree that I can solve this with tags just like you. It would mean I have 
to add tags to all my previous dives, it will just cost me some time to add 
them. I thought it would be nice to have some additional search features 
though for people that have a large number of dives.



For discontiguous dives as part of the same trip, that doesn’t make sense 
to me. A ‘trip’ as far as Subsurface is concerned is a set of contiguous 
dives for example some sea dives and some cenote/cave dives in Mexico but 
these would all be contiguous. I’d be interested in knowing the reasoning 
why you would want to use this otherwise.


I’m making quite some local dives between my trips that I would like to 
group as “local dives” to have a shorter overview in the list (which is why 
the trip feature exists). As you can see in the attached screenshot, this 
would end up as quite a weird list since these local dives are 
discontiguous between the trips I’m making.


You can add a trip (or multiple trips) manually, and add selected dives to 
the trip. Choose the dives you want to group together, click right button 
within the selection and choose create trip above. This should group all 
the selected dives together. (Not sure if it works if there is a different 
trip in between the dives, but it should be easy to test out.)


I've tested that part, but then the local dives get added to the trip in 
between. I can create a trip for each period between my actual trips, but 
it would be nice to have my local dives grouped together.


-- Attilla

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Re: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Miika Turkia via subsurface]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM Attilla de Groot via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 27 Sep 2020, at 15:22, Jason Bramwell  wrote:
>
> I have my own way of doing this and this is done using a combination of
> tags and location name.
>
> For me my tag rules are:
> Deep = anything over 35m (this is just depth that I’ve chosen as my cutoff
> point)
> Deco = any dive with accelerated decompression. Mandatory or extended
> safety stops don’t count in my rules
>
> What you have suggested (nitrox, mandatory deco ceiling) could easily be
> done with tags.
>
> My location naming scheme is a bit less consistent and I have a couple of
> ways of doing this, whatever seems the most sensible. At home I use Country
> – Town/City – Site. On holiday I use Body of water – Country – Site (I do
> this if the trip is from a liveaboard where the port of origin is less
> meaningful) or Body of water – Country – Town/City – Site  (I do this if
> it’s a ‘day-boat’ leaving and returning to port.
>
> e.g.
> Adriatic Sea - Croatia - Krnica – Pascoli
> Adriatic Sea - Croatia - Plomin Luka – Vis
> Pacific Ocean - Chuuk - San Francisco Maru
> Red Sea - Egypt - Chrisoula K
> Red Sea - Egypt - Giannis D
> UK - Plymouth - HMS Scylla
> UK - Plymouth - SS James Egan Layne
> UK - Portland - HMS Boadicea
>
> This works for me.
>
>
> I agree that I can solve this with tags just like you. It would mean I
> have to add tags to all my previous dives, it will just cost me some time
> to add them. I thought it would be nice to have some additional search
> features though for people that have a large number of dives.
>
>
> For discontiguous dives as part of the same trip, that doesn’t make sense
> to me. A ‘trip’ as far as Subsurface is concerned is a set of contiguous
> dives for example some sea dives and some cenote/cave dives in Mexico but
> these would all be contiguous. I’d be interested in knowing the reasoning
> why you would want to use this otherwise.
>
>
> I’m making quite some local dives between my trips that I would like to
> group as “local dives” to have a shorter overview in the list (which is why
> the trip feature exists). As you can see in the attached screenshot, this
> would end up as quite a weird list since these local dives are
> discontiguous between the trips I’m making.
>

You can add a trip (or multiple trips) manually, and add selected dives to
the trip. Choose the dives you want to group together, click right button
within the selection and choose create trip above. This should group all
the selected dives together. (Not sure if it works if there is a different
trip in between the dives, but it should be easy to test out.)

HTH
miika
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RE: Grouping and managing dive logs

[Jason Bramwell via subsurface]

I have my own way of doing this and this is done using a combination of tags 
and location name.

For me my tag rules are:
Deep = anything over 35m (this is just depth that I’ve chosen as my cutoff 
point)
Deco = any dive with accelerated decompression. Mandatory or extended safety 
stops don’t count in my rules

What you have suggested (nitrox, mandatory deco ceiling) could easily be done 
with tags.

My location naming scheme is a bit less consistent and I have a couple of ways 
of doing this, whatever seems the most sensible. At home I use Country – 
Town/City – Site. On holiday I use Body of water – Country – Site (I do this if 
the trip is from a liveaboard where the port of origin is less meaningful) or 
Body of water – Country – Town/City – Site  (I do this if it’s a ‘day-boat’ 
leaving and returning to port.

e.g.
Adriatic Sea - Croatia - Krnica – Pascoli
Adriatic Sea - Croatia - Plomin Luka – Vis
Pacific Ocean - Chuuk - San Francisco Maru
Red Sea - Egypt - Chrisoula K
Red Sea - Egypt - Giannis D
UK - Plymouth - HMS Scylla
UK - Plymouth - SS James Egan Layne
UK - Portland - HMS Boadicea

This works for me.

For discontiguous dives as part of the same trip, that doesn’t make sense to 
me. A ‘trip’ as far as Subsurface is concerned is a set of contiguous dives for 
example some sea dives and some cenote/cave dives in Mexico but these would all 
be contiguous. I’d be interested in knowing the reasoning why you would want to 
use this otherwise.

JB

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From: Attilla de Groot via subsurface
Sent: 27 September 2020 13:26
To: Subsurface List Mailing
Subject: Grouping and managing dive logs

Hi,

Over the past two years I’ve been making quite some dives in different 
locations around the world, certification dives, training dives etc. I’ve 
nicely put them all in subsurface, but I’m looking at the 
grouping/tagging/filtering options an I was wondering how other people manage 
this with their logs.

- Between my trips I make a lot of dives in a local lake (certainly now with 
Covid). However, it doesn’t seem possible to group discontiguous dives into a 
“trip”. I think it would be nice to have such an option, but perhaps I’m 
missing something here.
- Is it possible to search for some other dive details without adding tags to 
them, e.g:
— List all TEC dives (dives with deco ceiling)
— All nitrox dives
— etc.

Thanks


— Attilla

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