Re: [sugar] journal object transfer for 8.2

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So the questions are: is this a feature we should deliver for the 8.2
 release?

 In my opinion, no.

 Do you think differently?

 Personally I think we should put it at the very end of the prioritized
 list of new features:

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap#New_features

 If someone find time to work in by the feature freeze (20 June), it
 will be a nice feature to have. But otherwise let's focus to complete
 the features which are already scheduled for inclusion and on
 bugfixes.

I really doubt there will be time for this, but would be nice to know
if we should start talking about this after 8.2. Specially as changes
across the stack may be needed.

Regards,

Tomeu
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH 1/2] set_mute -- set_muted, consistent with get_muted()

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
r+ Thanks!

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ---
  src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py |5 +++--
  src/model/devices/speaker.py|2 +-
  2 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

 diff --git a/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py b/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
 index 87d79c1..29f5fba 100644
 --- a/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
 +++ b/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
 @@ -103,10 +103,11 @@ class HardwareManager(object):
 last_volumes_read = self._mixer.get_volume(self._master)
 read_count += 1

 -def set_mute(self, mute):
 +def set_muted(self, mute):
 if not self._mixer or not self._master:
 logging.error('Cannot mute the audio channel')
 -self._mixer.set_mute(self._master, mute)
 +else:
 +self._mixer.set_mute(self._master, mute)

 def startup(self):
 if env.is_emulator() is False:
 diff --git a/src/model/devices/speaker.py b/src/model/devices/speaker.py
 index 8526ea3..683849d 100644
 --- a/src/model/devices/speaker.py
 +++ b/src/model/devices/speaker.py
 @@ -40,7 +40,7 @@ class Device(device.Device):
 return self._manager.get_muted()

 def _set_muted(self, mute):
 -self._manager.set_mute(mute)
 +self._manager.set_muted(mute)
 self.notify('muted')

 def get_type(self):
 --
 1.5.5.1

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Re: [sugar] [PATCH 2/2] return 0, not None, if we can't get the mixer volume

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
r+ Thanks!

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ---
  src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py |2 +-
  1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)

 diff --git a/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py b/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
 index 29f5fba..2f92537 100644
 --- a/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
 +++ b/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
 @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ class HardwareManager(object):
 def get_volume(self):
 if not self._mixer or not self._master:
 logging.error('Cannot get the volume')
 -return None
 +return 0

 max_volume = self._master.max_volume
 min_volume = self._master.min_volume
 --
 1.5.5.1

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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Change tabbing to show a preview by opening the frame

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Benjamin,

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Benjamin Berg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 Some patches that implement nicer tabbing will follow. With the patches
 applied, pressing Alt+Tab will show the frame. The activity that will
 be selected as soon as Alt is released again is shown by popping up
 its palette.

Eben, could you apply these patches to your jhbuild and comment on the
user experience?

 Unfortunately there are a couple of issues with palettes.

 One issue is that that at first only the primary palette is shown, but
 after a while the secondary palette will pop up (as the timeout is
 started automatically).

Can you look at how the secondary palette is displayed by the right
click? I understand that's what you want, right?

 Then I am accessing the _update_position function of the Palette
 directly, to handle disappearing activities properly.

You mean to move left the palette when another activity icon
disappears? Perhaps the Invoker should be listening for position
changes on the observed widget and move the palette accordingly?

 The third thing I noticed is that there is a race condition in the
 Palette (which I think is my fault ...). I'll need to have a look at how
 to fix this.
 (The reason for the race is the code that delays the popup signal
 until the window has been mapped. IIRC that was needed so the gab
 drawing would work properly.)

Ok.

Before looking in detail at the code, have you considered relying on
the window manager to do the tabbing and have the shell to just
observe the changes on the tabbing stack? Perhaps wnck can help on
that?

Although I could find some time this week to look at these patches, I
would be happier if Marco could find time do do it, as he knows better
about these window manager stuff. I know he's very busy, though...

Thanks,

Tomeu
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH 2/2] return 0, not None, if we can't get the mixer volume

2008-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler

Thanks -- pushed both patches.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 09:25:43AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 r+ Thanks!

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ---
   src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py |2 +-
   1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
 
  diff --git a/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py 
  b/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
  index 29f5fba..2f92537 100644
  --- a/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
  +++ b/src/hardware/hardwaremanager.py
  @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ class HardwareManager(object):
  def get_volume(self):
  if not self._mixer or not self._master:
  logging.error('Cannot get the volume')
  -return None
  +return 0
 
  max_volume = self._master.max_volume
  min_volume = self._master.min_volume
  --
  1.5.5.1


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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] New startup notification

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
r+ Thanks!

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 this is heavily based on Eben work. Full patch is attached, splitted
 up commits here (from Remove pending...):
 http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/marco/sugar;a=summary

 Not very well tested, I would like to get the big changes in and
 gradually improve on the base of it. It should be good enough to make
 the freeze.

 Eben, I had to increase the animation time to be able to see it, not sure why.

 Tomeu, I didn't do the iconify things for now, I have some doubts
 about it and this patch ended up not requiring huge changes to the
 model, so we can do that in a separate step.

 Marco

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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] fix #4646 - replace/normalize some keyboard shortcuts

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
r+

As there are no code changes, I think that patches like this can get
into the repo just with Eben's approval.

Thanks,

Tomeu

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Eben transferred this ticket to Sugar saying he's OK with these
 changes.  Can someone review please?

 I can email support@ or sugar@ or other mailing lists (suggestions
 welcome) about corrdinating the wiki / other documentation changes
 once that's done.

 Martin

 On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 09:45:06PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
 ---
  src/view/keyhandler.py |   25 -
  1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)

 diff --git a/src/view/keyhandler.py b/src/view/keyhandler.py
 index 306bb21..219cc5e 100644
 --- a/src/view/keyhandler.py
 +++ b/src/view/keyhandler.py
 @@ -40,26 +40,25 @@ _actions_table = {
  'F4' : 'zoom_activity',
  'F9' : 'brightness_down',
  'F10': 'brightness_up',
 -'ctrlF9'   : 'brightness_min',
 -'ctrlF10'  : 'brightness_max',
 +'altF9': 'brightness_min',
 +'altF10'   : 'brightness_max',
  'F11': 'volume_down',
  'F12': 'volume_up',
 -'ctrlF11'  : 'volume_min',
 -'ctrlF12'  : 'volume_max',
 +'altF11'   : 'volume_min',
 +'altF12'   : 'volume_max',
  'alt1' : 'screenshot',
 -'altf' : 'frame',
  '0x93'   : 'frame',
  '0xEB'   : 'rotate',
 -'altr' : 'rotate',
 -'altq' : 'quit_emulator',
  'altTab'   : 'next_window',
 -'altn' : 'next_window',
 -'ctrlaltTab' : 'previous_window',
 -'altp' : 'previous_window',
 -'ctrlEscape'   : 'close_window',
 -'ctrlq': 'close_window',
 +'altshiftTab': 'previous_window',
 +'altEscape': 'close_window',
  '0xDC'   : 'open_search',
 -'alts' : 'say_text'
 +# the following are intended for emulator users
 +'altshiftf'  : 'frame',
 +'altshiftq'  : 'quit_emulator',
 +'altshifto'  : 'open_search',
 +'altshiftr'  : 'rotate',
 +'altshifts'  : 'say_text',
  }

  J_DBUS_SERVICE = 'org.laptop.Journal'

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Re: [sugar] journal object transfer for 8.2

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Guillaume Desmottes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Le lundi 09 juin 2008 à 16:12 -0400, Michael Stone a écrit :
 Tomeu,

  have heard occasional requests to implement the sending and sharing of
  journal entries.

 It's a desirable feature but, from my perspective, it's much lower in
 immediate priority than work which brings the sugar UI revision into a
 releasable condition and which polish the existing work by closing
 several of the 379 tickets assigned to component 'sugar':

   
 http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assignedstatus=newstatus=reopenedcomponent=sugarorder=prioritycol=idcol=summarycol=statuscol=typecol=prioritycol=milestonecol=component

  So the questions are: is this a feature we should deliver for the 8.2
  release?

 In my opinion, no.

 Do you think differently?


 The new (work in progress) Telepathy file transfer specification should
 be able to nicely implement object transfer. But I doubt we'll have an
 implementation ready for 8.2.

 Could be a cool feature for the next release cycle though.

Yup, I think we should consider it for the next cycle.

Marco
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Change tabbing to show a preview by opening the frame

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Although I could find some time this week to look at these patches, I
 would be happier if Marco could find time do do it, as he knows better
 about these window manager stuff. I know he's very busy, though...

I could do an high level review, and then you guys help me out with
the details...

Marco
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Re: [sugar] not preserving journal

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I tend to __mess__ with my XO.  As such, I realize I have to take my
 lumps once in a while.  But - the OLPC appears to NOT be safe from
 people like me.

 I have two different builds (in /versions) on my XO - a Joyride and
 an Update.1.  From the Update.1, I used 'olpc-update' to install
 Joyride 2024.  It failed boot (sugar did not come up; and if I did
 not touch any buttons during boot I had no keyboard input, either).

 So I used the square button to boot into Update.1 -- and my Journal
 was empty.  I've had the Journal cleaned out before, so I did NOT
 have anything that mattered in there.  [I manually save everything
 important to a permanently-mounted SD card.]  But for anyone who
 depends upon Journal, it would have been a traumatic experience.

Yes, we have several tickets about these issues, but nobody to work on them :/

Anyway, note that most of the final users will have backups of their
journal before updating, and that they will update once or twice per
year, only to well tested images.

Thanks,

Tomeu
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Adapt object chooser to new designs. Some refactoring was needed.

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 this patch adapts the object chooser to the mockups linked below. It
 was needed to refactor the ListView and CollapsedEntry classes in
 order to separate the common functionality between the journal list
 view and the one in the object chooser.

Ooops.

Missing link: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Object_Chooser

Tomeu
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Avoid duplicates in the bundle registry

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
(sorry about the late reply)

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:46:45AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 09:15:39AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
  +for bundle in self._bundles:
  +if new_bundle.get_bundle_id() == bundle.get_bundle_id():
 
  Why are we performing repeated linear search instead of storing bundles
  in a datastructure with sub-linear containment lookups (e.g. a set or a
  hashtable)?

 Because the patch is simpler this way. Why do you think that using a
 set or a table might be better here?

 Because my algorithm (store a dict mapping bundle id to biggest version
 yet seen) makes the same decisions yours does with one hash table lookup
 instead of O(n) string comparisons?

We use dictionaries all around sugar, you can be sure we know what a
hash table is. Should we replace all the structures used in Sugar that
could be made more efficient?

I proposed the patch that was simplest while addressed the users
needs. I think that we should only do invasive changes where there's
something tangible to win.

Anyway, I guess we'll have to wait until some real testing is done for
8.2 in order to reach an agreement on what we should do with bundle
management.

Regards,

Tomeu
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
(sorry about the big delay)

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Hi,

 +if self._jobject.is_activity_bundle():
 +menu_item = MenuItem(_('Start'))
 +menu_item.connect('activate',
 self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
 +  None)
 +palette.menu.append(menu_item)
 +menu_item.show()

 Why are we adding a Start menu item? How is it different from clicking
 on the button?

 We add a start menu item in case there is a choice to run or open with; if
 there are choices, they should all be listed, even if one is available in a
 simpler way (by just clicking). Also note that I plan, in the future, to
 make the default behavior (clicking on the button) configurable using
 metadata, so that you can have some bundles which are for editing.

Eben, can you comment on this UI change?

Thanks,

Tomeu
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[sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi,

do we have any feedback regarding frame activation and the new control
panel option?

Is it ok to ship with hot corners on by default and let the users
change it if they wish?

Thanks,

Tomeu
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Re: [sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 10.06.2008, at 12:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 Hi,

 do we have any feedback regarding frame activation and the new control
 panel option?

 Is it ok to ship with hot corners on by default and let the users
 change it if they wish?


As much as I hate the mouse activation, I still think this is a  
sensible default. On the XO we have a Frame key, but on other hw  
discovering the frame could be a lot harder.

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[sugar] review: Guillaume's 'activity' branch of Gadget

2008-06-10 Thread Dafydd Harries

 diff --git a/gadget/component.py b/gadget/component.py
 index b5fc702..dd85a03 100644
 --- a/gadget/component.py
 +++ b/gadget/component.py
 @@ -92,8 +92,9 @@ class Room(object):
  def __init__(self, own_nick):
  self.own_nick = own_nick
  self.membership = None
 -self.members = {}
 +self.members = set()
  self.properties = {}
 +self.id = None
  

Would it be possible to just have a Room.activity property and use that to
store members/id?

  class GadgetService(component.Service):
  debug = False
 @@ -333,7 +334,7 @@ class GadgetService(component.Service):
  def message(self, stanza):
  type = stanza.getAttribute('type', 'normal')
  
 -if type in ('chat', 'groupchat'):
 +if type in ('chat'):
  return

This doesn't do quite what you want. () doesn't create a tuple, , does, so
this is the same as type in 'chat', which will be true if type is a
substring of chat. Better to just say ==.

  
  if type == 'normal':
 @@ -343,12 +344,17 @@ class GadgetService(component.Service):
  return
  elif (elem.uri == ns.ACTIVITY_PROP and
elem.name == 'properties'):
 -self.message_activity_properties(stanza, elem)
 +self.message_pre_invite_activity_properties(stanza, elem)
  return
  elif elem.uri == ns.PUBSUB_EVENT and elem.name == 'event':
  self.message_pubsub_notification(stanza, elem)
  return
  
 +elif type == 'groupchat':
 +for elem in stanza.elements():
 +if elem.uri == ns.ACTIVITY_PROP and elem.name == 
 'properties':
 +self.message_activity_properties(stanza, elem)

You should return here. Perhaps we should dispatch messages more like we
dispatch IQs, i.e. using a dict.

 +
  # FIXME: handle close query stanza
  log.msg('got unhandled message')
  
 @@ -357,7 +363,7 @@ class GadgetService(component.Service):
  if elem.uri == ns.MUC_USER and elem.name == 'invite':
  self.message_muc_invite(stanza, elem)
  
 -def create_room(self, jid, properties):
 +def create_room(self, jid, properties, id):

Hmm, can we put the id before the properties? I think it's more aesthetically
pleasing that way.

  if jid in self.mucs:
  # We already have a room by this name.
  return
 @@ -366,9 +372,10 @@ class GadgetService(component.Service):
  # join it.
  room = Room('inspector')
  room.properties = properties
 +room.id = id
  self.mucs[jid] = room
  
 -def message_activity_properties(self, stanza, properties_elem):
 +def message_pre_invite_activity_properties(self, stanza, 
 properties_elem):
  # XXX Restrictions on from address?
  
  try:
 @@ -384,7 +391,7 @@ class GadgetService(component.Service):
  if not (properties and activity and room_jid):
  return
  
 -self.create_room(room_jid, properties)
 +self.create_room(room_jid, properties, activity)

Perhaps we should rename 'activity' to 'activity_id' for clarity.

  def message_muc_invite(self, stanza, invite):
  to = stanza.getAttribute('to')
 @@ -502,17 +509,54 @@ class GadgetService(component.Service):
  # Presence for our in-room self; we've finished joining the
  # room.
  room.membership = 'joined'
 +
 +# activities are created and added to the model when the
 +# inspector actually joined the muc.

English nitpicks: Your tenses don't agree here. are created ... joined.
s/joined/join/. If you use a full stop, you should also capitalise the first
letter.

 +# If we'll do it before, we won't be able to properly track
 +# activity's properties and members.

I don't understand this comment.

 +activity = self.model.activity_add(room.id, room_jid,
 +room.properties)
 +
 +# Activity and Room now share the same set() object
 +activity.members = room.members
  return
  
 +item = xpath_query('/presence/[EMAIL PROTECTED]%s]/item' % 
 ns.MUC_USER,
 +stanza)
 +if not item or item[0].getAttribute('jid') is None:
 +log.msg(full jid of %s missing. Can't update activity members
 +% jid.resource)

English nitpicks: you should capitalise full and have a full stop after
the second sentence.

 +return
 +
 +full_jid = JID(item[0]['jid']).userhost()

Hmm, full_jid seems like a bad name, since it implies a JID with a resource.
Perhaps it should be real_jid or just jid.

 +
 +activities = self.model.activity_by_room(room_jid)
 +
  if type is None:
  log.msg('room %s has 

Re: [sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
 do we have any feedback regarding frame activation and the new control
 panel option?
 As much as I hate the mouse activation, I still think this is a
 sensible default. On the XO we have a Frame key, but on other hw
 discovering the frame could be a lot harder.

 From using Joyride 2024, the new GUI option seems user-friendly 
(though the user needs to have the jabber_server_name written down 
beforehand, so he can type it in).  But the old CLI option is still 
being supported -- and in its current state I find it confusing and 
inconsistent.  The CLI should be friendlier (or be done away with).


I myself think frame activation at the corners is an abomination - 
but as long as the Software Release Notes CLEARLY tell the user: 
Here is how to get rid of it, I'll accept it being on by default. 
[ Though using '2000' to mean 'never' seems strange (are floating 
point numbers being compared ?) ]


What I myself do on other hw is to go into 'keyhandler.py', and 
define a spare F-key to be 'frame'.  Then I can activate the frame 
using my non-XO keyboard.


mikus

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Re: [sugar] not preserving journal

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:06:37AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, we have several tickets about these issues, but nobody to work on them :/

Please cite ticket numbers.

 Anyway, note that most of the final users will have backups of their
 journal before updating, 

Huh? How are they going to have backups? Did someone release backup
software without my noticing? Or are you simply betting that it will get
done soon?

Michael
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Re: [sugar] not preserving journal

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:06:37AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, we have several tickets about these issues, but nobody to work on them 
 :/

 Please cite ticket numbers.

Will try to set some time aside to get those tickets to you.

 Anyway, note that most of the final users will have backups of their
 journal before updating,

 Huh? How are they going to have backups? Did someone release backup
 software without my noticing? Or are you simply betting that it will get
 done soon?

Are you telling me that kids are going to update to a newer build
without having backups?

Tomeu
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[sugar] [PATCH] Make the favorite activity icons draggable

2008-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi,

this patch adds the ability to drag activity icons out from the ring.

Thanks,

Tomeu
From 5b44c112e59ed581001bdcadb962ff7f2bb9f9d7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED](none)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:55:37 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Make the favorite activity icons draggable

---
 src/view/home/FriendsBox.py |   12 ++-
 src/view/home/HomeBox.py|   15 ++-
 src/view/home/HomeWindow.py |   31 +++--
 src/view/home/MeshBox.py|   12 ++-
 src/view/home/activitieslist.py |   22 ++--
 src/view/home/activitiesring.py |  263 ++-
 src/view/home/launchbox.py  |8 +-
 src/view/home/transitionbox.py  |   13 ++-
 8 files changed, 274 insertions(+), 102 deletions(-)

diff --git a/src/view/home/FriendsBox.py b/src/view/home/FriendsBox.py
index 7c6648a..8c6ddcf 100644
--- a/src/view/home/FriendsBox.py
+++ b/src/view/home/FriendsBox.py
@@ -14,6 +14,7 @@
 # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
 # Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA  02110-1301  USA
 
+import gobject
 import gtk
 import hippo
 
@@ -26,16 +27,19 @@ from model import shellmodel
 from view.home.FriendView import FriendView
 from view.home.spreadlayout import SpreadLayout
 
-class FriendsBox(hippo.CanvasBox):
+class FriendsBox(hippo.Canvas):
 __gtype_name__ = 'SugarFriendsBox'
 def __init__(self):
-hippo.CanvasBox.__init__(self,
- background_color=style.COLOR_WHITE.get_int())
+gobject.GObject.__init__(self)
+
+self._box = hippo.CanvasBox()
+self._box.props.background_color = style.COLOR_WHITE.get_int()
+self.set_root(self._box)
 
 self._friends = {}
 
 self._layout = SpreadLayout()
-self.set_layout(self._layout)
+self._box.set_layout(self._layout)
 
 self._owner_icon = CanvasIcon(icon_name='computer-xo', cache=True,
   xo_color=profile.get_color())
diff --git a/src/view/home/HomeBox.py b/src/view/home/HomeBox.py
index fa22a11..429b903 100644
--- a/src/view/home/HomeBox.py
+++ b/src/view/home/HomeBox.py
@@ -18,7 +18,6 @@ from gettext import gettext as _
 
 import gobject
 import gtk
-import hippo
 
 from sugar.graphics import style
 from sugar.graphics import iconentry
@@ -32,11 +31,11 @@ _LIST_VIEW = 1
 
 _AUTOSEARCH_TIMEOUT = 1000
 
-class HomeBox(hippo.CanvasBox, hippo.CanvasItem):
+class HomeBox(gtk.VBox):
 __gtype_name__ = 'SugarHomeBox'
 
 def __init__(self):
-hippo.CanvasBox.__init__(self)
+gobject.GObject.__init__(self)
 
 self._ring_view = ActivitiesRing()
 self._list_view = ActivitiesList()
@@ -45,7 +44,8 @@ class HomeBox(hippo.CanvasBox, hippo.CanvasItem):
 self._toolbar = HomeToolbar()
 self._toolbar.connect('query-changed', self.__toolbar_query_changed_cb)
 self._toolbar.connect('view-changed', self.__toolbar_view_changed_cb)
-self.append(hippo.CanvasWidget(widget=self._toolbar))
+self.pack_start(self._toolbar, expand=False)
+self._toolbar.show()
 
 self._set_view(_RING_VIEW)
 
@@ -66,13 +66,14 @@ class HomeBox(hippo.CanvasBox, hippo.CanvasItem):
 if self._enable_xo_palette:
 self._ring_view.enable_xo_palette()
 
-self.append(self._ring_view, hippo.PACK_EXPAND)
-
+self.add(self._ring_view)
+self._ring_view.show()
 elif view == _LIST_VIEW:
 if self._ring_view in self.get_children():
 self.remove(self._ring_view)
 
-self.append(self._list_view, hippo.PACK_EXPAND)
+self.add(self._list_view)
+self._list_view.show()
 else:
 raise ValueError('Invalid view: %r' % view)
 
diff --git a/src/view/home/HomeWindow.py b/src/view/home/HomeWindow.py
index 9151d46..03a571e 100644
--- a/src/view/home/HomeWindow.py
+++ b/src/view/home/HomeWindow.py
@@ -15,7 +15,6 @@
 # Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA  02110-1301  USA
 
 import gtk
-import hippo
 
 from sugar.graphics import style
 from sugar.graphics import palettegroup
@@ -44,10 +43,6 @@ class HomeWindow(gtk.Window):
 self._active = False
 self._level = ShellModel.ZOOM_HOME
 
-self._canvas = hippo.Canvas()
-self.add(self._canvas)
-self._canvas.show()
-
 self.set_default_size(gtk.gdk.screen_width(),
   gtk.gdk.screen_height())
 
@@ -70,8 +65,9 @@ class HomeWindow(gtk.Window):
 self.launch_box = LaunchBox()
 
 self._activate_view()
-self._canvas.set_root(self._home_box)
-
+self.add(self._home_box)
+self._home_box.show()
+
 self._transition_box.connect('completed',
  self._transition_completed_cb)
 
@@ -122,8 +118,9 @@ class HomeWindow(gtk.Window):
 self._deactivate_view()
 

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Change tabbing to show a preview by opening the frame

2008-06-10 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 09:58 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Benjamin Berg
  Unfortunately there are a couple of issues with palettes.
 
  One issue is that that at first only the primary palette is shown, but
  after a while the secondary palette will pop up (as the timeout is
  started automatically).
 
 Can you look at how the secondary palette is displayed by the right
 click? I understand that's what you want, right?

Yup, something like that. Though it will need to be handled differently
than the right click code. I guess just adding another parameter to
popdown will work.

  Then I am accessing the _update_position function of the Palette
  directly, to handle disappearing activities properly.
 
 You mean to move left the palette when another activity icon
 disappears? Perhaps the Invoker should be listening for position
 changes on the observed widget and move the palette accordingly?

Yeah, something like that. Though I am not sure what is needed to get it
working right now.

 Before looking in detail at the code, have you considered relying on
 the window manager to do the tabbing and have the shell to just
 observe the changes on the tabbing stack? Perhaps wnck can help on
 that?

To say the truth I did not even consider it, as tabbing is already
handled by Sugar in the existing code. That said, I just had a quick
look, but could not find anything in metacity or libwnck that suggests
that leaving tabbing to the window manager is possible.

Benjamin


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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Refactor invites for 1-1 Chat (#6298)

2008-06-10 Thread Morgan Collett
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 17:25, Guillaume Desmottes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Le mercredi 04 juin 2008 à 17:08 +0200, Morgan Collett a écrit :
 The main code to review is at:
 http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/morgan/sugar;a=shortlog;h=6298 (3
 most recent patches).

 As bundle_id is passed to both constructor, you could move it to
 BaseInvite.__init__


 Didn't read code carefully but InviteButton and InvitePalette still
 contain lot of:

 if shared:
  ...
 else:
  # private


 Maybe it would be worth to abstract these 2 classes too if possible?

Done, in the patch
http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/morgan/sugar;a=commitdiff;h=0383581b2789fa7a8d0f8eb99da6068eb67b5500

Sugar Team, please can I have further review:

The main code to review is at:
http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/morgan/sugar;a=shortlog;h=6298 (4
most recent patches).

http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/morgan/sugar-toolkit;a=shortlog;h=6298
- Guillaume's change, r+ from me
- Can I push this to sugar-toolkit?

Related changes are at:
http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/morgan/presence-service;a=shortlog;h=6298
- Guillaume's change, r+ from me
- Waiting on the above sugar-toolkit patch approval
http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/morgan/chat-activity;a=shortlog;h=6298
- r+ from me for all Guillaume's changes

Regards
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Re: [sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Eben Eliason
I've played with it a lot.  I think that a 1/3 second delay goes a
long way to preventing accidental activation, but likely isn't long
enough to prevent discovery, especially in a classroom full of kids.
If everyone tests it out with a delay in this range and agrees, we
could institute a delay between 1/3 and 1/2 second by default and
probably provide a better out-of-the-box experience.

- Eben


On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bert's point is a good one and a further argument for keeping it
 configurable. On my XO, the touchpad is flaky but there is a frame
 key. On my HP, the touchpad is reasonably stable, but I need to
 remember an undiscoverable keyboard binding. So I would like to have
 almost opposite behaviors depending upon the hardware.

 -walter

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10.06.2008, at 12:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 Hi,

 do we have any feedback regarding frame activation and the new control
 panel option?

 Is it ok to ship with hot corners on by default and let the users
 change it if they wish?


 As much as I hate the mouse activation, I still think this is a
 sensible default. On the XO we have a Frame key, but on other hw
 discovering the frame could be a lot harder.

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Re: [sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Walter Bender
Can we set up an actually experiment with some children? Uruguay,
Paraguay, and Peru all agreed to help. This seems like a obvious place
to start.

-walter

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've played with it a lot.  I think that a 1/3 second delay goes a
 long way to preventing accidental activation, but likely isn't long
 enough to prevent discovery, especially in a classroom full of kids.
 If everyone tests it out with a delay in this range and agrees, we
 could institute a delay between 1/3 and 1/2 second by default and
 probably provide a better out-of-the-box experience.

 - Eben


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bert's point is a good one and a further argument for keeping it
 configurable. On my XO, the touchpad is flaky but there is a frame
 key. On my HP, the touchpad is reasonably stable, but I need to
 remember an undiscoverable keyboard binding. So I would like to have
 almost opposite behaviors depending upon the hardware.

 -walter

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10.06.2008, at 12:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 Hi,

 do we have any feedback regarding frame activation and the new control
 panel option?

 Is it ok to ship with hot corners on by default and let the users
 change it if they wish?


 As much as I hate the mouse activation, I still think this is a
 sensible default. On the XO we have a Frame key, but on other hw
 discovering the frame could be a lot harder.

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Re: [sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can we set up an actually experiment with some children? Uruguay,
 Paraguay, and Peru all agreed to help. This seems like a obvious place
 to start.

Yes, that would be helpful as well.  In order to make that feasible,
we need to find a good way to let them install builds for testing
purposes.  I suspect that Scott might have been considering this use
case when he mentioned breaking the builds into development/unstable,
testing, QA, and stable.  Ideally we'd provide a singed testing build
so that the kids don't all need to request dev keys to get us the
proper feedback.  Can anyone provide insight onto how/when we might be
able to do this?

- Eben

ps I did help Carla get a dev key and install a testing build
including the new activity launching feedback and the control panel,
so that she had at least one machine for testing these features and
the delay on the Frame.


 -walter

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've played with it a lot.  I think that a 1/3 second delay goes a
 long way to preventing accidental activation, but likely isn't long
 enough to prevent discovery, especially in a classroom full of kids.
 If everyone tests it out with a delay in this range and agrees, we
 could institute a delay between 1/3 and 1/2 second by default and
 probably provide a better out-of-the-box experience.

 - Eben


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bert's point is a good one and a further argument for keeping it
 configurable. On my XO, the touchpad is flaky but there is a frame
 key. On my HP, the touchpad is reasonably stable, but I need to
 remember an undiscoverable keyboard binding. So I would like to have
 almost opposite behaviors depending upon the hardware.

 -walter

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10.06.2008, at 12:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 Hi,

 do we have any feedback regarding frame activation and the new control
 panel option?

 Is it ok to ship with hot corners on by default and let the users
 change it if they wish?


 As much as I hate the mouse activation, I still think this is a
 sensible default. On the XO we have a Frame key, but on other hw
 discovering the frame could be a lot harder.

 - Bert -


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Re: [sugar] wiki navigation

2008-06-10 Thread Eben Eliason
A link was explicitly not provided here because the mockups shown
presently are a somewhat pared-down version for short-term
implementation for the upcoming release, and without description.  I
have a more extensive series of designs which I want to make public in
the near future for the community to comment on, at which point I'll
add the link from Designs to make them more discoverable.

- Eben


On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 * Improve the object chooser: 
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Designs/Object_Chooser

 Hadn't realized there was a page for this in the wiki.

 Please, if 'Object_Chooser' is a subtopic of 'Designs, a __link__
 to 'Object_Chooser' placed on the 'Designs' page would be useful.

 mikus

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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Adapt object chooser to new designs. Some refactoring was needed.

2008-06-10 Thread Simon Schampijer
Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 Hi,
 
 this patch adapts the object chooser to the mockups linked below. It
 was needed to refactor the ListView and CollapsedEntry classes in
 order to separate the common functionality between the journal list
 view and the one in the object chooser.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tomeu
 

Hi Tomeu,

looks very nice your code - even fixes a lot of pylint warnings :)

One note:

*** objectchooser.py:
I think we don't have to pass the parent window to ObjectChooser(gtk.Window). 
This 
is how we handle it as well for the controlpanel (was a suggestion by marco as 
well).

chooser = ObjectChooser()
chooser.set_transient_for(parent)
chooser.show()

Could not see the code in action yet since I am updating on F-9 currently :/ 
but 
the logic looks very good.

Best,
Simon
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Re: [sugar] Avoid duplicates in the bundle registry

2008-06-10 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
Let me try to sketch out the plan understand and interpret it from
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Bundles_1. (episode 2 was
more about how to handle the files/bundles or objects/actions distinction,
which is farther off).

1. in the future, object ID will just be a hash of the non-human-readable
signing key for an activity.

1.a) this will not change over minor version changes. It may not change over
major version changes, or, if author intends bugfix releases of the old
version, it may deliberately change. If there is a discontinuity in
authorship (key lost) it must change.

1.a)1)when we have signatures, hash collisions will be assumed to be a
deliberate attack, and will just refuse to install.
b) for right now, we can just use object ID.

2. Within each object ID, there can be any number of versions simultaneously
installed.

2.a) just id/version is not unique, for instance if an activity is under
active development on that machine.

2.a)i) An idea of mine, not discussed yet: we actually could try to enforce
the idea that any two activities which match on {id,version,bool(has valid
signature)} are interchangeable - just silently use the first one seen for
bundles with a valid signature (release versions), and the last one seen for
b. without v.s. (development versions.

2.b)Even if we can get some combination of data (besides just hashing the
whole bundle) that is unique, or if we make a pre-signature approximation
that id/version is unique, there will still be a large potential for
clutter.

3. Which one to use?

3a) Each journal object will have metadata with all identifying data (id,
version, sig?, hash) of the last activity.

3b) For some activity ids, there will be (at most) one starred version.

3c) Journal objects will open by default with {own id, max(starred version,
own version)}, or if that is unavailable starred version, or if that is
unavailable latest version.

3d) Unstarred id's can still be grouped/collapsed in the activity list.

3d) imported objects will open by default with starred or latest version

4. Garbage collection of old installed versions (this patch)

4a) Any versions older than starred version are eligible for GC.

4b) Suggestion (not discussed): Grace period to notice broken features: When
starred version changes, garbage collection on that ID is frozen until the
new starred version has been used at least 3 times.

4c) Suggestion: Suggested updates: First time quitting a version newer than
starred version, ask user if they want to move the star.

4d) Suggestion: when you see a shared activity in the mesh, some UI hint to
show if it is newer/older/same version as your starred/latest version.
(also, see imposing changelogs in the discussion)

...

As an aside, I think that it is a mistake to impose integer versions. I
think that a general n-number versioning system, with a hyphen as a
separator (to avoid the 1.10 problem), but Glucose only understands the
ordering and makes no distinction between major and minor version. This
would support integers, major-minor, major-minor-bugfix, or other similar
systems, without imposing one.

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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
This change fixes a bug: journal is unable to do anything but start a
bundle, even if you have an activity (Develop) which can handle the activity
bundle mime type.

The immediate question is: should start be available only by pressing the
button, or should it also be an option in the pulldown? I think that the
answer is an obvious yes.

The longer term question is: should start always be the default for
bundles, or should it be possible to have a bundle whose default action is
Develop? However, discussion on this larger question should not block
approving the immediate patch.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I'm confused, actually.  We already have Start as the first option
 in the palette for raw activities, and as the action listed on the
 button in the detail view.  What is the intent for the change being
 discussed here?

 - Eben


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  (sorry about the big delay)
 
  On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  +if self._jobject.is_activity_bundle():
  +menu_item = MenuItem(_('Start'))
  +menu_item.connect('activate',
  self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
  +  None)
  +palette.menu.append(menu_item)
  +menu_item.show()
 
  Why are we adding a Start menu item? How is it different from clicking
  on the button?
 
  We add a start menu item in case there is a choice to run or open with;
 if
  there are choices, they should all be listed, even if one is available
 in a
  simpler way (by just clicking). Also note that I plan, in the future, to
  make the default behavior (clicking on the button) configurable using
  metadata, so that you can have some bundles which are for editing.
 
  Eben, can you comment on this UI change?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Tomeu
 
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This change fixes a bug: journal is unable to do anything but start a
 bundle, even if you have an activity (Develop) which can handle the activity
 bundle mime type.

Right, this merits the possible addition of a Start as (wording?) type menu.

 The immediate question is: should start be available only by pressing the
 button, or should it also be an option in the pulldown? I think that the
 answer is an obvious yes.

I'm stating that Start is /already/ an option in the pulldown, so
what's the point of argument?

 The longer term question is: should start always be the default for
 bundles, or should it be possible to have a bundle whose default action is
 Develop? However, discussion on this larger question should not block
 approving the immediate patch.

Agreed.  And I'm not sure what my answer is, yet.


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 I'm confused, actually.  We already have Start as the first option
 in the palette for raw activities, and as the action listed on the
 button in the detail view.  What is the intent for the change being
 discussed here?

 - Eben


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  (sorry about the big delay)
 
  On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  +if self._jobject.is_activity_bundle():
  +menu_item = MenuItem(_('Start'))
  +menu_item.connect('activate',
  self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
  +  None)
  +palette.menu.append(menu_item)
  +menu_item.show()
 
  Why are we adding a Start menu item? How is it different from clicking
  on the button?
 
  We add a start menu item in case there is a choice to run or open with;
  if
  there are choices, they should all be listed, even if one is available
  in a
  simpler way (by just clicking). Also note that I plan, in the future,
  to
  make the default behavior (clicking on the button) configurable using
  metadata, so that you can have some bundles which are for editing.
 
  Eben, can you comment on this UI change?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Tomeu
 
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[sugar] [PATCH] to Browse activity; trac #6250

2008-06-10 Thread Erik Garrison
The following patch resolves trac #6250 (and #6999).

I have tested and pushed the patch into the web-activity git repo.


From 9e3c4d01dc2b368ef0636cce598dd655446fb883 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:29:17 -0400
Subject: [PATCH] To resolve trac 6250, we disable browser detection of offline 
mode using xpcom.

---
 browser.py |5 +
 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

diff --git a/browser.py b/browser.py
index f57bafa..208ff93 100644
--- a/browser.py
+++ b/browser.py
@@ -83,6 +83,11 @@ class Browser(WebView):
 @mozilla.org/network/io-service;1]
 io_service = io_service_class.getService(interfaces.nsIIOService)
 
+# Use xpcom to turn off offline mode detection, which disables
+# access to localhost for no good reason.  (Trac #6250.)
+io_service2 = io_service_class.getService(interfaces.nsIIOService2)
+io_service2.manageOfflineStatus = False
+
 cls = components.classes['@mozilla.org/content/style-sheet-service;1']
 style_sheet_service = cls.getService(interfaces.nsIStyleSheetService)
 
-- 
1.5.4.3

From 9e3c4d01dc2b368ef0636cce598dd655446fb883 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:29:17 -0400
Subject: [PATCH] To resolve trac 6250, we disable browser detection of offline mode using xpcom.

---
 browser.py |5 +
 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

diff --git a/browser.py b/browser.py
index f57bafa..208ff93 100644
--- a/browser.py
+++ b/browser.py
@@ -83,6 +83,11 @@ class Browser(WebView):
 @mozilla.org/network/io-service;1]
 io_service = io_service_class.getService(interfaces.nsIIOService)
 
+# Use xpcom to turn off offline mode detection, which disables
+# access to localhost for no good reason.  (Trac #6250.)
+io_service2 = io_service_class.getService(interfaces.nsIIOService2)
+io_service2.manageOfflineStatus = False
+
 cls = components.classes['@mozilla.org/content/style-sheet-service;1']
 style_sheet_service = cls.getService(interfaces.nsIStyleSheetService)
 
-- 
1.5.4.3

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Re: [sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can we set up an actually experiment with some children? Uruguay,
 Paraguay, and Peru all agreed to help. This seems like a obvious place
 to start.

 -walter

Thank you, Walter. You are the first I have seen asking such a
question. I have been wondering when we would get to asking children
how a children's laptop should work.
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This change fixes a bug: journal is unable to do anything but start a
  bundle, even if you have an activity (Develop) which can handle the
 activity
  bundle mime type.

 Right, this merits the possible addition of a Start as (wording?) type
 menu.

  The immediate question is: should start be available only by pressing
 the
  button, or should it also be an option in the pulldown? I think that the
  answer is an obvious yes.

 I'm stating that Start is /already/ an option in the pulldown, so
 what's the point of argument?


This is the details view pulldow. Look at the patch:

-
-if not self._jobject.is_activity_bundle():
-for activity in self._jobject.get_activities():
-menu_item = MenuItem(activity.name)
-menu_item.set_image(Icon(file=activity.icon,
icon_size=gtk.ICON_SIZE_MENU))
-menu_item.connect('activate',
self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
-  activity.bundle_id)
-palette.menu.append(menu_item)
-menu_item.show()
+
+if self._jobject.is_activity_bundle():
+menu_item = MenuItem(_('Start'))
+menu_item.connect('activate',
self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
+  None)
+palette.menu.append(menu_item)
+menu_item.show()
+activities = self._jobject.get_activities()
+for activity in activities:
+menu_item = MenuItem(activity.name)
+menu_item.set_image(Icon(file=activity.icon,
icon_size=gtk.ICON_SIZE_MENU))
+menu_item.connect('activate',
self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
+  activity.bundle_id)
+palette.menu.append(menu_item)
+menu_item.show()

Instead of only constructing a pulldown for non-activity-bundles, it does
one for both. It first includes an option to start for activity bundles,
then continues with the normal logic which gives options of all activities
which handle the relevant MIME.

I submit that this should not be controversial, that the controversy here
comes from misunderstanding.
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[sugar] Fwd: [poppler] [Announce] PyPoppler 0.8.1

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
I think someone was looking for this some months ago...

Marco


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Date: Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Subject: [poppler] [Announce] PyPoppler 0.8.1
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PyGtk Mail-List [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Discussioni generali sul linguaggio Python [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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I am pleased to announce version 0.8.1 of the Python bindings for Poppler.

It is available at:
http://www.gnome.org/~gianmt/pypoppler-0.8.1.tar.gz

The above location is temporary, until I will find a nice house for
future releases.

What's new:
===
   o Fix a compilation failure against poppler 0.8.3
 Fixes LP#238653. Patch from Chris Mayo. (Gian Mario)
   o Add GPL headers. (Gian Mario)

Blurb:
==

Poppler[1] is a PDF rendering library based on the xpdf-3.0 code base.

PyPoppler is a wrapper which exposes the poppler API to the
python world.  It is fairly complete, most of the API are covered.

The documentation is actually missing, help wanted :)

Like the Poppler library itself, PyPoppler is licensed under  the GNU GPL.

PyPoppler requires:
=

 o Poppler = 0.8.3
 o PyGObject = 2.10.1 (2.11.3 to build the docs)
 o PyGTK = 2.10.0
 o PyCairo = 1.2.0

Bug reports should go to
https://launchpad.net/poppler-python

[1] http://poppler.freedesktop.org/

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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Eben Eliason
Actually, I disagree with adding Start separately to the secondary
palette as this will appear redundant beneath the already existing
Start label in the primary palette.  The better solution (and I
think, the expected behavior) is to make the primary palette clickable
when the palette is anchored, such that clicking it enacts the action
of the button it is attached to.

Regarding the other options, I think it would be clearer (albeit,
admittedly, slightly more indirect) to place the list of available
activities in a submenu labeled Start with to convey the action that
selecting an activity will take.  This would be true of the submenu
regardless of whether or not the entry represents a bundle, leaving us
in a state where the only difference between bundles and instances is
the phrasing used within the menu.  Otherwise, they are functionally
identical.

- Eben


On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This change fixes a bug: journal is unable to do anything but start a
  bundle, even if you have an activity (Develop) which can handle the
  activity
  bundle mime type.

 Right, this merits the possible addition of a Start as (wording?) type
 menu.

  The immediate question is: should start be available only by pressing
  the
  button, or should it also be an option in the pulldown? I think that the
  answer is an obvious yes.

 I'm stating that Start is /already/ an option in the pulldown, so
 what's the point of argument?

 This is the details view pulldow. Look at the patch:

 -
 -if not self._jobject.is_activity_bundle():
 -for activity in self._jobject.get_activities():
 -menu_item = MenuItem(activity.name)
 -menu_item.set_image(Icon(file=activity.icon,
 icon_size=gtk.ICON_SIZE_MENU))
 -menu_item.connect('activate',
 self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
 -  activity.bundle_id)
 -palette.menu.append(menu_item)
 -menu_item.show()
 +
 +if self._jobject.is_activity_bundle():
 +menu_item = MenuItem(_('Start'))
 +menu_item.connect('activate',
 self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
 +  None)
 +palette.menu.append(menu_item)
 +menu_item.show()
 +activities = self._jobject.get_activities()
 +for activity in activities:
 +menu_item = MenuItem(activity.name)
 +menu_item.set_image(Icon(file=activity.icon,
 icon_size=gtk.ICON_SIZE_MENU))
 +menu_item.connect('activate',
 self._resume_menu_item_activate_cb,
 +  activity.bundle_id)
 +palette.menu.append(menu_item)
 +menu_item.show()

 Instead of only constructing a pulldown for non-activity-bundles, it does
 one for both. It first includes an option to start for activity bundles,
 then continues with the normal logic which gives options of all activities
 which handle the relevant MIME.

 I submit that this should not be controversial, that the controversy here
 comes from misunderstanding.

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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Actually, I disagree with adding Start separately to the secondary
 palette as this will appear redundant beneath the already existing
 Start label in the primary palette.  The better solution (and I
 think, the expected behavior) is to make the primary palette clickable
 when the palette is anchored, such that clicking it enacts the action
 of the button it is attached to.


I agree that this is how palettes should work (of course, not the issue
here).

However, I don't understand your opposition to repeating the start option
in the submenu. Any journal item already repeats the default option in this
list; doing the same for activity bundles is only consistent. If we are
going to change this, it is a separate patch.




 Regarding the other options, I think it would be clearer (albeit,
 admittedly, slightly more indirect) to place the list of available
 activities in a submenu labeled Start with to convey the action that
 selecting an activity will take.  This would be true of the submenu
 regardless of whether or not the entry represents a bundle, leaving us
 in a state where the only difference between bundles and instances is
 the phrasing used within the menu.  Otherwise, they are functionally
 identical.


This is not a bad idea. Again, if you are serious about this, we should
prioritize it and do it, as a separate patch; and I'd be happy to work
through the options with you, in a separate thread.

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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Actually, I disagree with adding Start separately to the secondary
 palette as this will appear redundant beneath the already existing
 Start label in the primary palette.  The better solution (and I
 think, the expected behavior) is to make the primary palette clickable
 when the palette is anchored, such that clicking it enacts the action
 of the button it is attached to.

 I agree that this is how palettes should work (of course, not the issue
 here).

 However, I don't understand your opposition to repeating the start option
 in the submenu. Any journal item already repeats the default option in this
 list; doing the same for activity bundles is only consistent. If we are
 going to change this, it is a separate patch.

Could you please clarify exactly what it is you are trying to do, and
exactly what parts of the GUI it's affecting?  I've taken two stabs at
this, and it seems neither are correct.  I read the code, but I don't
know what context it sits in.  The secondary palettes that appear for
activity icons (bundle or instance) all contain a Start or Resume
option, respectively.  The button in the toolbar of the detail view
reads either Start or Resume, also as appropriate.  None of the
secondary palettes anywhere in the system repeat the default action of
the button within the secondary palette, as far as I'm aware, as this
would be redundant. (It would be even more redundant (in other words,
functionally, instead of only visually) if the primary palette were
clickable.)

 Regarding the other options, I think it would be clearer (albeit,
 admittedly, slightly more indirect) to place the list of available
 activities in a submenu labeled Start with to convey the action that
 selecting an activity will take.  This would be true of the submenu
 regardless of whether or not the entry represents a bundle, leaving us
 in a state where the only difference between bundles and instances is
 the phrasing used within the menu.  Otherwise, they are functionally
 identical.

 This is not a bad idea. Again, if you are serious about this, we should
 prioritize it and do it, as a separate patch; and I'd be happy to work
 through the options with you, in a separate thread.

Indeed.  I wasn't suggesting it should happen here, but I wanted to
clarify my view of what these buttons and menus should look like,
ideally.

- Eben
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
Sorry, I am stuck in windows land today, so I cannot confirm anything. I
will respond based on how I recall things, and I'm pretty sure, but cannot
vouch 100% for what I will say here.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Actually, I disagree with adding Start separately to the secondary
  palette as this will appear redundant beneath the already existing
  Start label in the primary palette.  The better solution (and I
  think, the expected behavior) is to make the primary palette clickable
  when the palette is anchored, such that clicking it enacts the action
  of the button it is attached to.
 
  I agree that this is how palettes should work (of course, not the issue
  here).
 
  However, I don't understand your opposition to repeating the start
 option
  in the submenu. Any journal item already repeats the default option in
 this
  list; doing the same for activity bundles is only consistent. If we are
  going to change this, it is a separate patch.

 Could you please clarify exactly what it is you are trying to do, and
 exactly what parts of the GUI it's affecting?  I've taken two stabs at
 this, and it seems neither are correct.  I read the code, but I don't
 know what context it sits in.  The secondary palettes that appear for
 activity icons (bundle or instance) all contain a Start or Resume
 option, respectively.  The button in the toolbar of the detail view
 reads either Start or Resume, also as appropriate.  None of the
 secondary palettes anywhere in the system repeat the default action of
 the button within the secondary palette, as far as I'm aware, as this
 would be redundant. (It would be even more redundant (in other words,
 functionally, instead of only visually) if the primary palette were
 clickable.)


This patch is for the secondary palette on the start/resume button on the
details view. Say you have a picture you made in Paint. You'd have an arrow
button in details, primary palette resume (= Paint), secondary palette
Paint or TuxPaint. This is not verbally redundant, but is obviously
redundant in the sense that one of the options in the secondary palette is
equivalent to the simple button push. It is this redundancy that I was
copying, as my feelings were that inconsistency would be confusing, and that
intuitive accessibility is a higher priority than non-redundancy.

If you disagree, I am not really attached to this idea. I just didn't
realize it was controversial (and clung to that blind-spot even when it
meant assuming you misunderstood). I'd vote for redundancy, but it is a weak
vote.

(BTW: again, I have no way to test this right now, but I think that the
journal list view item palettes are also redundant. Don't the secondary
palettes have options for run, copy, delete? And run is the same as just
clicking the object's icon? BTBTW: This is actually a place where a nested
open with menu makes even more sense, and I could write such a patch if
this one clears.)
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Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry, I am stuck in windows land today, so I cannot confirm anything. I
 will respond based on how I recall things, and I'm pretty sure, but cannot
 vouch 100% for what I will say here.

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Actually, I disagree with adding Start separately to the secondary
  palette as this will appear redundant beneath the already existing
  Start label in the primary palette.  The better solution (and I
  think, the expected behavior) is to make the primary palette clickable
  when the palette is anchored, such that clicking it enacts the action
  of the button it is attached to.
 
  I agree that this is how palettes should work (of course, not the issue
  here).
 
  However, I don't understand your opposition to repeating the start
  option
  in the submenu. Any journal item already repeats the default option in
  this
  list; doing the same for activity bundles is only consistent. If we are
  going to change this, it is a separate patch.

 Could you please clarify exactly what it is you are trying to do, and
 exactly what parts of the GUI it's affecting?  I've taken two stabs at
 this, and it seems neither are correct.  I read the code, but I don't
 know what context it sits in.  The secondary palettes that appear for
 activity icons (bundle or instance) all contain a Start or Resume
 option, respectively.  The button in the toolbar of the detail view
 reads either Start or Resume, also as appropriate.  None of the
 secondary palettes anywhere in the system repeat the default action of
 the button within the secondary palette, as far as I'm aware, as this
 would be redundant. (It would be even more redundant (in other words,
 functionally, instead of only visually) if the primary palette were
 clickable.)

 This patch is for the secondary palette on the start/resume button on the
 details view. Say you have a picture you made in Paint. You'd have an arrow
 button in details, primary palette resume (= Paint), secondary palette
 Paint or TuxPaint. This is not verbally redundant, but is obviously
 redundant in the sense that one of the options in the secondary palette is
 equivalent to the simple button push. It is this redundancy that I was
 copying, as my feelings were that inconsistency would be confusing, and that
 intuitive accessibility is a higher priority than non-redundancy.

 If you disagree, I am not really attached to this idea. I just didn't
 realize it was controversial (and clung to that blind-spot even when it
 meant assuming you misunderstood). I'd vote for redundancy, but it is a weak
 vote.

I see.  Well I think I vote against it in the current implementation,
actually, since the redundancy (side by side, no less) could actually
be confusing (which one do I want!?  what's the difference!?).  My
first instinct was to think that it might be OK if we used a submenu,
to clarify the action more as I mentioned before.  After considering
this, however, I find that it's actually much clearer /not/ to do
that.  The reason that Paint is repeated (as per your example) is that
the Paint instance can be resumed by Paint, or other supporting
activities.  Including Paint itself in the list provides clarification
of the action by revealing the name of the default activity, which
otherwise wasn't revealed.  We could take a hint from Apple and append
(default) to the first in the list, with a separator, to make this
more evident.

On the other hand, an activity bundle (not an instance) can be
started, or resumed by another supporting activity.  Opening the
bundle as an object with another activity is actually a very different
action from starting a new instance of it.  The former creates a new
version of the bundle in the same thread.  The latter creates a new
instance/entry in the Journal in it's own brand new thread.

I think we should do without the redundant Start option in the menu.
 I think this is still consistent with the other entries:  You either
create a new instance of the activity, or you open the bundle (as an
object) with some other activity.  You don't in general open the
bundle (as an object) with itself (eg. you start a new painting...you
don't open the paint bundle in Paint).  The exception to the rule is
an activity like Develop, which can indeed open itself.  However, that
will be handled naturally by the system, since Develop claims to
handle the bundle type already.  This is still very different from
saying Start, which would create an /emtpy/ develop project; it
would instead open up to reveal the source code /for/ Develop. Make
sense?

- Eben

 (BTW: again, I have no way to test this right now, but I think that the
 journal list view item palettes are also redundant. Don't the secondary
 

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Jameson Chema Quinn
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sorry, I am stuck in windows land today, so I cannot confirm anything. I
  will respond based on how I recall things, and I'm pretty sure, but
 cannot
  vouch 100% for what I will say here.
 
  On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   wrote:
  
   Actually, I disagree with adding Start separately to the secondary
   palette as this will appear redundant beneath the already existing
   Start label in the primary palette.  The better solution (and I
   think, the expected behavior) is to make the primary palette
 clickable
   when the palette is anchored, such that clicking it enacts the action
   of the button it is attached to.
  
   I agree that this is how palettes should work (of course, not the
 issue
   here).
  
   However, I don't understand your opposition to repeating the start
   option
   in the submenu. Any journal item already repeats the default option in
   this
   list; doing the same for activity bundles is only consistent. If we
 are
   going to change this, it is a separate patch.
 
  Could you please clarify exactly what it is you are trying to do, and
  exactly what parts of the GUI it's affecting?  I've taken two stabs at
  this, and it seems neither are correct.  I read the code, but I don't
  know what context it sits in.  The secondary palettes that appear for
  activity icons (bundle or instance) all contain a Start or Resume
  option, respectively.  The button in the toolbar of the detail view
  reads either Start or Resume, also as appropriate.  None of the
  secondary palettes anywhere in the system repeat the default action of
  the button within the secondary palette, as far as I'm aware, as this
  would be redundant. (It would be even more redundant (in other words,
  functionally, instead of only visually) if the primary palette were
  clickable.)
 
  This patch is for the secondary palette on the start/resume button on the
  details view. Say you have a picture you made in Paint. You'd have an
 arrow
  button in details, primary palette resume (= Paint), secondary palette
  Paint or TuxPaint. This is not verbally redundant, but is obviously
  redundant in the sense that one of the options in the secondary palette
 is
  equivalent to the simple button push. It is this redundancy that I was
  copying, as my feelings were that inconsistency would be confusing, and
 that
  intuitive accessibility is a higher priority than non-redundancy.
 
  If you disagree, I am not really attached to this idea. I just didn't
  realize it was controversial (and clung to that blind-spot even when it
  meant assuming you misunderstood). I'd vote for redundancy, but it is a
 weak
  vote.

 I see.  Well I think I vote against it in the current implementation,
 actually, since the redundancy (side by side, no less) could actually
 be confusing (which one do I want!?  what's the difference!?).  My
 first instinct was to think that it might be OK if we used a submenu,
 to clarify the action more as I mentioned before.  After considering
 this, however, I find that it's actually much clearer /not/ to do
 that.  The reason that Paint is repeated (as per your example) is that
 the Paint instance can be resumed by Paint, or other supporting
 activities.  Including Paint itself in the list provides clarification
 of the action by revealing the name of the default activity, which
 otherwise wasn't revealed.  We could take a hint from Apple and append
 (default) to the first in the list, with a separator, to make this
 more evident.

 On the other hand, an activity bundle (not an instance) can be
 started, or resumed by another supporting activity.  Opening the
 bundle as an object with another activity is actually a very different
 action from starting a new instance of it.  The former creates a new
 version of the bundle in the same thread.  The latter creates a new
 instance/entry in the Journal in it's own brand new thread.

 I think we should do without the redundant Start option in the menu.
  I think this is still consistent with the other entries:  You either
 create a new instance of the activity, or you open the bundle (as an
 object) with some other activity.  You don't in general open the
 bundle (as an object) with itself (eg. you start a new painting...you
 don't open the paint bundle in Paint).  The exception to the rule is
 an activity like Develop, which can indeed open itself.  However, that
 will be handled naturally by the system, since Develop claims to
 handle the bundle type already.  This is still very different from
 saying Start, which would create an /emtpy/ develop project; it
 would instead open up to reveal the source code /for/ 

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Journal able to use open with for activity bundles

2008-06-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sorry, I am stuck in windows land today, so I cannot confirm anything. I
  will respond based on how I recall things, and I'm pretty sure, but
  cannot
  vouch 100% for what I will say here.
 
  On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Eben Eliason
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
   Actually, I disagree with adding Start separately to the secondary
   palette as this will appear redundant beneath the already existing
   Start label in the primary palette.  The better solution (and I
   think, the expected behavior) is to make the primary palette
   clickable
   when the palette is anchored, such that clicking it enacts the
   action
   of the button it is attached to.
  
   I agree that this is how palettes should work (of course, not the
   issue
   here).
  
   However, I don't understand your opposition to repeating the start
   option
   in the submenu. Any journal item already repeats the default option
   in
   this
   list; doing the same for activity bundles is only consistent. If we
   are
   going to change this, it is a separate patch.
 
  Could you please clarify exactly what it is you are trying to do, and
  exactly what parts of the GUI it's affecting?  I've taken two stabs at
  this, and it seems neither are correct.  I read the code, but I don't
  know what context it sits in.  The secondary palettes that appear for
  activity icons (bundle or instance) all contain a Start or Resume
  option, respectively.  The button in the toolbar of the detail view
  reads either Start or Resume, also as appropriate.  None of the
  secondary palettes anywhere in the system repeat the default action of
  the button within the secondary palette, as far as I'm aware, as this
  would be redundant. (It would be even more redundant (in other words,
  functionally, instead of only visually) if the primary palette were
  clickable.)
 
  This patch is for the secondary palette on the start/resume button on
  the
  details view. Say you have a picture you made in Paint. You'd have an
  arrow
  button in details, primary palette resume (= Paint), secondary palette
  Paint or TuxPaint. This is not verbally redundant, but is obviously
  redundant in the sense that one of the options in the secondary palette
  is
  equivalent to the simple button push. It is this redundancy that I was
  copying, as my feelings were that inconsistency would be confusing, and
  that
  intuitive accessibility is a higher priority than non-redundancy.
 
  If you disagree, I am not really attached to this idea. I just didn't
  realize it was controversial (and clung to that blind-spot even when it
  meant assuming you misunderstood). I'd vote for redundancy, but it is a
  weak
  vote.

 I see.  Well I think I vote against it in the current implementation,
 actually, since the redundancy (side by side, no less) could actually
 be confusing (which one do I want!?  what's the difference!?).  My
 first instinct was to think that it might be OK if we used a submenu,
 to clarify the action more as I mentioned before.  After considering
 this, however, I find that it's actually much clearer /not/ to do
 that.  The reason that Paint is repeated (as per your example) is that
 the Paint instance can be resumed by Paint, or other supporting
 activities.  Including Paint itself in the list provides clarification
 of the action by revealing the name of the default activity, which
 otherwise wasn't revealed.  We could take a hint from Apple and append
 (default) to the first in the list, with a separator, to make this
 more evident.

 On the other hand, an activity bundle (not an instance) can be
 started, or resumed by another supporting activity.  Opening the
 bundle as an object with another activity is actually a very different
 action from starting a new instance of it.  The former creates a new
 version of the bundle in the same thread.  The latter creates a new
 instance/entry in the Journal in it's own brand new thread.

 I think we should do without the redundant Start option in the menu.
  I think this is still consistent with the other entries:  You either
 create a new instance of the activity, or you open the bundle (as an
 object) with some other activity.  You don't in general open the
 bundle (as an object) with itself (eg. you start a new painting...you
 don't open the paint bundle in Paint).  The exception to the rule is
 an activity like Develop, which can indeed open itself.  However, that
 will be handled naturally by the system, since Develop claims to
 handle the bundle type already.  This is still very different from
 saying Start, which 

Re: [sugar] frame activation

2008-06-10 Thread Gary C Martin
On 10 Jun 2008, at 11:15, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 do we have any feedback regarding frame activation and the new control
 panel option?

 Is it ok to ship with hot corners on by default and let the users
 change it if they wish?

Have settled for about 500ms for the corners. I found warm edges too  
obtrusive even with a max delay, specifically scroll bar interaction  
was the main false activation. I could see me enabling specific warm  
edges (top being most useful).

OT: Also trying to keep in the back of my mind a possible future UI  
metaphor where the whole input may be touch screen based, but as a  
well known tech put it recently, most existing UI's with a touch input  
layer added are like lipstick on a pig. It'll need to be an extensive  
redesign at that stage (sorry Eben). I guess Apple with their UI fork  
have more than a clue for us here.

--Gary

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