[sugar] Reviews report
= New requests = sugar.hardware.nmclient.Device() instances' get_colors() method should never raise() http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7554 Journal window should be mirrored in RTL locales http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6800 = Approved requests = Control Panel 'About Me' incorrectly keeps a name edit when you choose to Cancel out http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7510 ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Hiring for Sugar
Hi All, We have a posted job opening for a Sugar UI coder: http://laptop.org/en/jobs.shtml#User%20Interface%20Developer%20for%20Sugar We prefer someone in Cambridge. MA, USA but if you are a superstar pygtk coder, remote may work too. Please spread the word and get us some top notch resumes ASAP. Submit per link above. Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] 8.2.0 Release Notes
Hi Walter and Gary, Thanks a lot! I got the frame and home views added now. I think the main thing I am still missing is a picture and explanation of changes to the journal. Anything else appreciated. These notes are starting to get more exposure now so please review and edit for errors too. Thanks, Greg S Walter Bender wrote: It seems what you are missing is the new Frame interactions. I think this page is relatively complete (although it doesn't walk through the invitation/sharing process explicitly). http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/sandbox/Frame -walter On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I need the latest, final, definitive screen shots and documentation on new Sugar GUI planned for 8.2.0 in the release notes ASAP. I plan to send release notes to deployment leads to see if they are interested in using 8.2.0. I will say that the release notes are subject to change but it should be as correct as possible. I especially want to remove incorrect info and ideas that didn't make the release. See the GUI section of the release notes at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0#GUI_and_Usability_Improvements I believe the control panel section is correct except for the Software Updates section. Please confirm. Scott, can you write a brief blurb on software updates? I need a link to additional approved documentation on the control panel. If we don't have one, this release notes will be all you get! The big gap is Home View and Frame Redesign Who can give me final screen shots and blurbs on all the elements in that? I posted the links I have but they may include features which will not make the release. I want to send pre-release Release Notes out at the beginning of next week so please respond ASAP. Let me know if you have any questions. I'll do whatever leg work is needed if I know who/where I can get verified information. Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] 8.2.0 Release Notes
Hi Greg, I added a link to more detailed documentation of the graphical control panel http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0#Graphical_Sugar_Control_Panel @scott: maybe you can do the description for the software updates here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_Control_Panel#Software_updates Best, Simon Greg Smith wrote: Hi Walter and Gary, Thanks a lot! I got the frame and home views added now. I think the main thing I am still missing is a picture and explanation of changes to the journal. Anything else appreciated. These notes are starting to get more exposure now so please review and edit for errors too. Thanks, Greg S Walter Bender wrote: It seems what you are missing is the new Frame interactions. I think this page is relatively complete (although it doesn't walk through the invitation/sharing process explicitly). http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter/sandbox/Frame -walter On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I need the latest, final, definitive screen shots and documentation on new Sugar GUI planned for 8.2.0 in the release notes ASAP. I plan to send release notes to deployment leads to see if they are interested in using 8.2.0. I will say that the release notes are subject to change but it should be as correct as possible. I especially want to remove incorrect info and ideas that didn't make the release. See the GUI section of the release notes at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0#GUI_and_Usability_Improvements I believe the control panel section is correct except for the Software Updates section. Please confirm. Scott, can you write a brief blurb on software updates? I need a link to additional approved documentation on the control panel. If we don't have one, this release notes will be all you get! The big gap is Home View and Frame Redesign Who can give me final screen shots and blurbs on all the elements in that? I posted the links I have but they may include features which will not make the release. I want to send pre-release Release Notes out at the beginning of next week so please respond ASAP. Let me know if you have any questions. I'll do whatever leg work is needed if I know who/where I can get verified information. Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Question about clipboard service
Hi, I'm playing around with the clipboard package on sugar and had a quick question. So, the clipboardservice.py file shows some basic api for getting and setting objects on the clipboard through the dbus. However, the add_object and get_object methods (and their variants) rely on knowing an object_id in order to retrieve something from the clipboard. Typically, a clipboard has some stack like structure where you can automatically retrieve the last thing copied to the clipboard without necessarily knowing its internal id. This would seem especially important fo passing things to other activities, which can't reasonably figure out the object_id created when something is saved to the clipboard by another activity. Does anyone know how to just retrieve the last item saved to the clipboard and also get a list of the last N items saved to the clipboard? Also, the gtk.Clipboard framework allows access to several different clipboards that have slightly different purposes. Is there similar functionality available through sugar/dbus or would one go directly to the gtk implementation? Thanks! Faisal ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Bug Triage
Hi All, Its crunch time for 8.2.0! We need triage the bug list down to must fix items and focus on those. We're on for another bug triage on IRC (Freenode.net channel #sugar-meeting) Monday 9AM US ET. We will walk through the bug lists linked from here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap#Tickets I think we start up after id 5459. The goal is to sort the Trac priority field in to - must fix (blocker) - should fix (high) - nice to have (less than high). and to assign or otherwise update Trac as needed. Priorities at this stage are: 1 - Stability, stability, stability! No crashes, no freezes, no dead ends. No user input to the GUI should bring the XO down. 2 - No regressions Works as well or better than the last release 3 - Core functionality in place and works as user expects This is fuzzier without a manual but we may have a common understanding. e.g. if you can't insert an image in to Write reliably that would be missing core functionality. Nail the first two priorities and we can debate this one as needed. Anyone is welcome but we need to move fast. Keep design discussion to a minimum, focus on how it affects users, swag-level scoping, doc/no doc, and who should work on it. Have a great weekend see you online Monday. Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Design Question
Hi All, Can I get a quick +1/-1 on this question related to http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7331 The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. We need to pick one to default on first upgrade or install. Choices are: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Freeform_View8.2.png http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Ring_View8.2.png http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_List_View8.2.png from: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0 Vote for your favorite as default first exposure to OX and let's see if we are close to consensus... Votes from teachers and kids count double :-) Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Smith wrote: | The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. Really? The home view top bar will show three buttons, for three different views? This is news to me, though not bad news. | Vote for your favorite as default first exposure to OX Really? Here, on the mailing list? Ring. - --Ben (bemasc) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiBA9oACgkQUJT6e6HFtqQTYACeNdIOkQYlN9CJigniqhaD/MK1 6MMAn0CUMHX462MqC5ZiELZzXRF80sP8 =qqRn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 04:58:02PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Smith wrote: | The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. Really? The home view top bar will show three buttons, for three different views? This is news to me, though not bad news. I accidentally discovered the fact that if one clicks on the three-blocks/other-than-the-list icon in the Home/Favorites/old-ring view, one gets to choose which layout one wants. I found that after I manually edited ~/.sugar/default/config to say: [Shell] favoriteslayout = ring-layout ...of course, by Sod's law. Perhaps this is what Greg's referring to. - --Ben (bemasc) Martin pgpe93BaPcgmS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 04:53:31PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: [...] The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. We need to pick one to default on first upgrade or install. [...] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Ring_View8.2.png +1 Thanks, Greg S Martin pgpcbfn7aWYUD.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 04:53:31PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: [...] The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. We need to pick one to default on first upgrade or install. [...] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Ring_View8.2.png +1 +1 Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Notes from the GNOME Mobile BoF at GUADEC
Hello, Dave Neary has posted his notes from the GNOME Mobile BoF which was held during GUADEC at Istanbul earlier this month. The summary is available online at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mobile-devel-list/2008-July/msg2.html Apologies for the cross-posting, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 16:53 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi All, Can I get a quick +1/-1 on this question related to http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7331 The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. We need to pick one to default on first upgrade or install. Choices are: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Freeform_View8.2.png http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Ring_View8.2.png http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_List_View8.2.png from: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0 Vote for your favorite as default first exposure to OX and let's see if we are close to consensus... Votes from teachers and kids count double :-) quote from Emily Fisher age 7 'Oh cool, I can see 'em all' +2 for the Ring view :) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Abiword 2.6.4 on Ubuntu (was Re: Write needs your help)
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This from the abiword on ubuntu webpage (http://abisource.com/wiki/Install_on_Ubuntu) At this time, the latest version available directly from Ubuntu is an Ubuntu-modified 2.4.6. We are working to get AbiWord 2.6 in Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron and adding their repo installs 2.6.4... but if you need the source that should work too I can build it without problems on my hardy system... just requires a lot of development library dependencies like below, you need to install libglib2.0-dev Kind Regards, David Van Assche I built 2.6.4 from source yesterday on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron on an AMD Opteron 64-bit. It does not display non-alphabetic ASCII correctly. The digits and punctuation, and also the space character, mostly appear as Unicode hex substitution glyphs. Armenian and Arabic display OK. Bengali vowels do not attach to base consonants, but are displayed in their standalone form. I'm giving up for the day. -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.--Alan Kay ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 04:53:31PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: [...] The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. We need to pick one to default on first upgrade or install. [...] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Ring_View8.2.png +1 +1 +1 for the ring view! -- Bastien ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
+1 for the ring -10 for random -walter (Now that we have a reasonably stable joyride-with a working Record activity again-I'll try to get a quick user study pulled together in Peru on this topic by someone less bias than myself.) On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 04:53:31PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: [...] The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. We need to pick one to default on first upgrade or install. [...] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Ring_View8.2.png +1 +1 +1 for the ring view! -- Bastien ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Andrés Ambrois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 18:34:55 Andrés Ambrois wrote: On Friday 18 July 2008 17:53:31 Greg Smith wrote: Votes from teachers and kids count double :-) I've transcribed your poll to olpc-sur, I'll post again with the results from there :) From Rosamel Ramírez, a teacher in Durazno, Uruguay: Me gusta el diseño de distribución circular, es menos estructurado que el tercero, pero no tan disperso como el primero I like the circular distribution design, it's less structured than the third one, but not as disperse as the first. +2 to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Ring_View8.2.png +1 for the ring view, like everyone else. I'm still a kid at heart, does that mean I can get 1.5 votes? bobby -- -Andrés ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] URL and Integration
Hmm, it's true. I'm not sure I really see a distinction between this and the trac system which is already securely in place, well tested, and well supported. There's also a separate ticketing system and database the support team uses to enter feedback and experience reports. Adding another bug system, let along a home brewed one, seems like its only likely to cause more confusion. Perhaps you could elaborate more on the target demographic for the site and the types of use scenarios you feel aren't yet being properly addressed. I wonder if we can't find a solution that uses the systems already in place to achieve similar goals. For instance, the tech team has recently been discovering the power of the reports system in trac for setting up unique views into the available info. On the other hand, maybe what we need more is a forum space. We have the wiki, and we have the bug system, but we don't have an interactive space where people can ask questions and help each other find solutions. I think this was one of the goals you had in mind for the site, and I think a forum might be a more appropriate manifestation of that. If that's something we seriously want to do (forum.laptop.org, or similar?), we should research some available open source solutions and choose one which would best suit our needs. There would still be a fair bit of work involved in setting it up and theming it appropriately, as well as need for moderation and such, but over time that kind of administration could be handled largely by community. Such an initiative could also benefit the support folks by providing a more self-sustaining method for people to ask and answer questions. - Eben 2008/7/18 Noah Kantrowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How exactly is this not just a bad bug tracker? We already have 2 (3?) ticket systems, another is not needed. --Noah *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jonah Saltzman *Sent:* Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:12 PM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* URL and Integration Hey again, sorry I forgot to include the link in the first email, so here it is http://linode1.t-wp.info/xoTracker/. Eric Garrison asked how the review squad would integrate with dev.laptop.org, and it seems that the easiest way would be to add the ability to tie any bug report, suggestion or question to any (or multiple) projects. When a developer checks their projects, they would also see what people are saying about that project, and in turn help to create better applications. dev.laptop.org also looks like it has a post thing, so it would probably be easy to integrate. Again, my project is still in the making, so please email me with suggestions. Thanks! ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
On 19 Jul 2008, at 00:18, Walter Bender wrote: (Now that we have a reasonably stable joyride-with a working Record activity again-I'll try to get a quick user study pulled together in Peru on this topic by someone less bias than myself.) Hmmm, not convinced Record-55 is working well enough yet (Joyride-2174), unless it's just failing on my B4 hardware. I get everything from a black feed, to a green/purple stripy feed. Not managed to actually record anything with it yet. Doesn't seem to help launching Record first after a reboot and with no other activities (think that was one of the open bugs). --Gary ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Abiword 2.6.4 on Ubuntu (was Re: Write needs your help)
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Cherlin wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:24 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This from the abiword on ubuntu webpage (http://abisource.com/wiki/Install_on_Ubuntu) At this time, the latest version available directly from Ubuntu is an Ubuntu-modified 2.4.6. We are working to get AbiWord 2.6 in Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron and adding their repo installs 2.6.4... but if you need the source that should work too I did get the repo package, and it gives me the same problems. I can build it without problems on my hardy system... just requires a lot of development library dependencies like below, you need to install libglib2.0-dev Kind Regards, David Van Assche I built 2.6.4 from source yesterday on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron on an AMD Opteron 64-bit. It does not display non-alphabetic ASCII correctly. The digits and punctuation, and also the space character, mostly appear as Unicode hex substitution glyphs. Armenian and Arabic display OK. Bengali vowels do not attach to base consonants, but are displayed in their standalone form. I'm giving up for the day. Well, today Bengali displays correctly, but Armenian is completely wiggy. It sometimes appears correctly, sometimes blank, and sometimes as Devanagari. Thanks for your testing! Yeah, I saw your bug, that's a weird one! It works for me on AMD64 with the packages I had the PPA build. I've put some info requests on the bugzilla report - if anyone wants to help figure this out the link is http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11708 -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.--Alan Kay ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
