Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list
Another simplement argument: this will be clearer for users to know where to send feedback. If you have a question about a particular activity, ask on the activity list. For other questions ask on the Sugar list. -- Bastien ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list
2008/8/3 Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 05:10:54PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bastien wrote: | - announce new activities | - announce changes in ownership | - check for dead/agonizing/orphaned activities | - discuss API and dependancies issues All of these things are perfect for [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are precisely what sugar@ is for. They do not cover everything sugar@ is for[1], or is currently used for (see next point). There is no need for an additional mailing list. I'm not sure I agree - sugar@ has so much traffic not relevant to casual activity authors (for example, your Congratulations... thread). I can't believe I did this, but I went through the July sugar@ messages and categorized them into ones I thought would be appropriate for the AA list and ones not (thus for the current sugar@ list). Totals: 808 messages AA - 293 messages 36.3% SS - 515 messages 63.7% You may see the details here: http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/sugar_list_july_2008_categorized.txthttp://dev.laptop.org/%7Emdengler/sugar_list_july_2008_categorized.txt - --Ben Martin 1. From http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar : Sugar is the internal code name for everything users see. This includes the sharing and collaboration experience, base set of tasks, and the entire desktop stack. This mailing list is to discuss the design and the implementation of that effort. (adding Sugar back to the conversation, not sure why it was dropped) I'm generally the first one to argue against YAML (yet-another-mailing-list) as I'm already subscribed to almost 30 OLPC-related ones... However I do believe that the idea of a mailing-list targeted to activity-developers has some merit to it. Contrary to Albert's comment I don't think an announcement only list for when the API breaks is enough, this is such a fundamental thing that should be communicated on all channels (mailing lists, wiki pages, sugar almanac, you name it) when it happens. The fact that this hasn't been done in the past just shows how much is lacking when it comes to making it easy for people to contribute activities without having to follow all the conversations on sugar, devel, etc. Looking at the big picture we we should be thinking about how mailing-lists are going to be used down the road anyway, for example whether there's going to be a gen. 2 (XOXO) list for all things related to that project. There we're going to have the same issue that potentially some (but definitely not all!) issues will overlap with current devel- and sugar discussions, but I guess that's what cross-posting is for. Getting back to the discussion at hand: In a perfect world an activity-developer would not have to worry about core-issues as mostly discussed on sugar and devel, as that stabilized *information* (the outcome and decisions based on the discussions on the lists) would be accessible somewhere on the API doc, wiki, sugar-almanac, activity handbook, etc. The activity-developers mailing-list could then be used to exchange tricks of the trade, ask questions (such as Alex's current one about the difference between sugar-launch and launching from the home-view), solicit help for testing and localization (CC'ing the appropriate mailing-lists in the process) and just plainly sharing ideas and suggestions for activities without actually writing them oneself (another big issue because at the moment we don't have a forum for children, parents, educators, content creators, graphic designers, etc. to share their input). Anyway, just my 2 jet lagged euro-cents, Christoph ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor, OLPCnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am happy to take on making this communication happen but I really think we need this list. FWIW, Sugar + activities are still somewhat tightly coupled, as Sugar and the underlying OS API are changing. As long as that is true, to maintain an activity to a good standard, you have to keep an eye on devel@ and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] My rule of thumb is to try and keep people together -- recommending filters sometimes -- until the traffic gets so heavy *and* a distinct subcommunity can be split off. IMHO neither is true here (yet!). The flip side is that offering a new ml to a small/medium sized group is a great way to *kill* that group. It is an excellent troll mgmt strategy. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] faster - control panel oops
When in Home I click on the 'Control Panel' entry in the palette, Sugar restarts. [G1G1, Faster manually updated to latest level.] mikus ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] video bleeds through somewhat between sessions
Both persons who have answered me have talked about how things from the video frame can be seen. But I was not looking at video - I was looking at TEXT. If I understand correctly what has been told me here, neither the 'black' of the text characters themselves, nor the 'white' of the background for the text, should have _allowed_ things from the video frame to be seen. I definitely did not see any color. What I did see was that some parts of the 'black' text characters changed briefly to _less_ 'black' (they went black -- gray -- black) depending on where on *its* screen the ongoing video 'session' WOULD HAVE depicted bright or dark areas. I think that the operating theory is that, around the edges of the black text, there are some pixels which are grey (or even, because of the funny xo color magic, colored?). These pixels would then be transparent. Is this consistent with your experience? In other words, is it possible that the video was fully visible in occasional pixels, instead of partially visible in all the black text pixels? ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list)
Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, Sugar + activities are still somewhat tightly coupled, as Sugar and the underlying OS API are changing. As long as that is true, to maintain an activity to a good standard, you have to keep an eye on devel@ and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] My rule of thumb is to try and keep people together -- recommending filters sometimes -- until the traffic gets so heavy *and* a distinct subcommunity can be split off. IMHO neither is true here (yet!). (Fair enough. In any case, my awareness about Sugar and the activities development is not strong enough to dispute about the relevance of such a list -- 'was just dropping a few opinions.) -- Bastien ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Framework for managing the activities (= symfony project)
Sébastien Adgnot just pointed me out that the guys behind the symfony project have developed a plugin management framework for they own needs: http://www.symfony-project.org/ http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/ http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2008/07/31/plugins-have-a-new-home The structure looks pretty neat, and maybe something like that could be useful on top of the git page for the activities. FWIW. -- Bastien ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Framework for managing the activities (= symfony project)
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 10:50:59AM -0500, Bastien wrote: Sébastien Adgnot just pointed me out that the guys behind the symfony project have developed a plugin management framework for they own needs: http://www.symfony-project.org/ http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/ http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2008/07/31/plugins-have-a-new-home The structure looks pretty neat, and maybe something like that could be useful on top of the git page for the activities. Yeah, I heard someone was working on using the code from http://addons.mozilla.org. -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list)
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 10:43:30AM -0500, Bastien wrote: Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, Sugar + activities are still somewhat tightly coupled, as Sugar and the underlying OS API are changing. As long as that is true, to maintain an activity to a good standard, you have to keep an eye on devel@ and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED] My rule of thumb is to try and keep people together -- recommending filters sometimes -- until the traffic gets so heavy *and* a distinct subcommunity can be split off. IMHO neither is true here (yet!). (Fair enough. In any case, my awareness about Sugar and the activities development is not strong enough to dispute about the relevance of such a list -- 'was just dropping a few opinions.) As opposed to a new list, we could use the topics function of mailman to enable people to select that they only want python breakage emails, for example, that contain a certin regexp. This topic can be addded by the list admin, per http://www.esosoft.com/support/mailinglist/mailman/topics.html -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Framework for managing the activities (= symfony project)
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 6:18 PM, FFM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 10:50:59AM -0500, Bastien wrote: Sébastien Adgnot just pointed me out that the guys behind the symfony project have developed a plugin management framework for they own needs: http://www.symfony-project.org/ http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/ http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2008/07/31/plugins-have-a-new-home The structure looks pretty neat, and maybe something like that could be useful on top of the git page for the activities. Yeah, I heard someone was working on using the code from http://addons.mozilla.org. Yes, David Farning mentioned that: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-June/001005.html Christoph -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] How do I connect to a Jabber server ?
Albert just filed a ticket saying that when there is an ethernet connection, the user would expect *that* to be used (instead of wireless). I agree. mikus ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] What are the minimum requirements to use ejabberd with the XO's
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are trying to lock down the firewall on the XS to only allow the services which are needed. For whatever reason we can no long access ejabberd from the XO's 1. the fully-qualified ejabberd name is correct on the XO's 2. the network services are working correctly 3. Pidgin (GAIM) on __my laptop__ can connect to the ejabberd server no problem Can anyone tell us which particular ports and services the XO's need to connect to the ejabberd server? We are allowing 5222 The XS has 2 interfaces, WAN and LAN. My advise would be to block incoming connections on the WAN side completely and leave the LAN open, or mostly open. IF you want to lock down the LAN interface, you'll want at least 5222, 5223, 5280, dns, ssh, http, https, rsync, dhcp, 8080... and the list will grow as we add services. Try `netstat --inet --listen -pe` as root to see what is listening where. If you do lock down the LAN, and have trouble log the denied connections on the fw to see what's happening. Do the XO's require IPv6? particular routing rules? pls advise. thanks No IPv6, no special routing. The XS is pre-configured to act as as NAT'ting router. HTH! cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
