Re: [sugar] Sugar on Edubuntu
Yoshiki. I'll forward this information to the Ubuntu Squeak maintainer. Do you know who I should talk to about requesting that http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/ be update to reflect this information? thanks david On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, 1. The statement Walter quoted (As of this summer, all of the code contained in our Squeak Etoys version 4.0 is covered by either the Apache 2.0 or MIT Licenses.) is correct. Edward quoted the email I sent around while ago. We have a license-clean Etoys V. 4.0 developers image. The problem here is that edubuntu and its packages are in Ubuntu Main, and for sugar to be in there, there must be no non-free software in it, and squeak is not totally free. Apple fonts not being modifiable, iirc. Its pretty much the same policy as debian. Scratch was recently rejected from MOTU for the similar reasons. 2. Apple fonts has been removed from any newer Squeak-variations, including Etoys. So, Apple fonts is not an issue. Is the issue where squeak was originally licensed under a non-free Apple license[1] and the squeak foundations can't locate all of the original contributors[2] to convert it to an mit license? http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/ http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missingSignatories 3. Just looking at missingSignatories without looking at actual code is misleading because their code are alreay removed or rewritten. 4. We haven't made an RPM or any package from the dev image yet. Making a RPM doesn't take long, but we just haven't gotten around testing it enough... Of course, one way to test it is to create an RPM and have people try. If you say we should, we can certainly do so from the current v 4.0. 5. So, if the license was the problem, there shouldn't be any problem for including the latest version of Etoys into such distros. If the development model is the problem, well, solutions are potentially implementable, but would take some time to carray through. -- Yoshiki ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Edubuntu
On 06.11.2008, at 00:12, David Farning wrote: Do you know who I should talk to about requesting that http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/ be update to reflect this information? Squeak (at squeak.org) and Etoys (at vpri.org / squeakland.org) are two different versions that were last merged at Squeak version 3.8. The full relicensing for now only applies to the Etoys version, but the squeak.org version will certainly follow soon. - Bert - ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] November conference (meeting notes)
I might have hit with a generous donor that might pay my way... Could you confirm dates so they can get me tickets early while they are still less expensive? I would want to learn and share, and if possible/if there is interest work on Wetware issues, especially The Medium Is The Message as applied to teacher/client training Thanks! Yama Mel Chua wrote: Sounds like an *excellent* plan to me! I'd be certainly glad to participate and I'm sure will be the same for Tomeu. We can also involve some Boston local activity authors to help out mentoring. Great! So if Tomeu or any other core Sugar dev can commit to being a second, I'll lock in the date, get a place, and start the gears in motion. (I'm already starting to look for locations and the like right now, but nothing firm yet.) -Mel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] November conference (meeting notes)
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might have hit with a generous donor that might pay my way... Could you confirm dates so they can get me tickets early while they are still less expensive? I would want to learn and share, and if possible/if there is interest work on Wetware issues, especially The Medium Is The Message as applied to teacher/client training I, Tomeu and I think David, booked our tickets for 16 - 23 Nov. Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] sugar 0.83 in joyride
Hi again, I'm thinking that perhaps best would be to create a joyride branch similar to faster that sugar developers could administer by ourselves. In that way we wouldn't be blocking on each other so often and Sugar developers could more easily adapt Sugar to the OLPC hardware. Sounds good? If there's any problem with this, please explain. Thanks, Tomeu On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Masters of Joyride, have built updated sugar rpms and they seem to work fine on last joyrides. Built locally these rpms. Anybody sees any problem if I build them in the OLPC-3 branch? Or should be in F9? Or F10 if we intend to switch soon? What if we decide to do a 8.2.1 release? sugar-0.83.2-2.fc9.i386.rpm sugar-artwork-0.83.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm sugar-base-0.83.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm sugar-datastore-0.83.0-1.fc9.i386.rpm sugar-presence-service-0.83.1-1.fc9.noarch.rpm sugar-toolkit-0.83.1-1.fc9.i386.rpm Had to install these two from F9: NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.11.svn4175.fc9.i386.rpm NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0-0.11.svn4175.fc9.i386.rpm And these ones from F10: libasyncns-0.7-1.fc10.i386.rpm python-telepathy-0.15.3-1.fc10.noarch.rpm telepathy-gabble-0.7.12-1.fc10.i386.rpm telepathy-glib-0.7.17-1.fc10.i386.rpm telepathy-salut-0.3.5-1.fc10.i386.rpm So, how would you prefer to move forward? Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] November conference (meeting notes)
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might have hit with a generous donor that might pay my way... Could you confirm dates so they can get me tickets early while they are still less expensive? I would want to learn and share, and if possible/if there is interest work on Wetware issues, especially The Medium Is The Message as applied to teacher/client training I, Tomeu and I think David, booked our tickets for 16 - 23 Nov. I will be happy to discuss stuff with you during those days, Yamandu. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on Edubuntu
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:36, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 02:38, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05.11.2008, at 13:55, David Farning wrote: .One sticking point was the availability of squeak on Ubuntu. If I remember this issue was beaten to death before I got involved with SL. I only remember discussion of getting it into Debian, not Ubuntu. Basically, even though the license issues are finally resolved, they did not want to have it in because they do not agree with its current development model: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/015479.html Ubuntu syncs from Debian during every development cycle, so if it's in debian we get it in Ubuntu with no extra work. The mail you reference doesn't give all the details but I think I remember the issue - building from source: Debian considers packages that can't build from source to be non-free. Thanks for the reminder of this issue - I'll take it up on the edubuntu list. Actually, on digging I found we have etoys and squeak-vm in Ubuntu, in multiverse - which is the non-free repository: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/etoys In this state it's not distributable on official Ubuntu CDs, such as the Edubuntu CD, but it's easily installable. We'll work on fixing the non-free status in the next Ubuntu release cycle, if possible... Regards Morgan ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Error building squeak in jhbuild on Ubuntu 8.10
When building jhbuild on Ubuntu 8.10, I get the following error building squeak: /bin/bash /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/bld/libtool --mode=compile gcc -g -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLSB_FIRST=1 -g -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLSB_FIRST=1 -Wall -Werror -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/bld -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/src/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/bld -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/src/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/Cross/plugins/FilePlugin -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/Cross/plugins/B3DAcceleratorPlugin -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/plugins/B3DAcceleratorPlugin -DSUGAR -c -o sqUnixFBDev.lo /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm-display-fbdev/sqUnixFBDev.c gcc -g -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLSB_FIRST=1 -g -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLSB_FIRST=1 -Wall -Werror -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/bld -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/src/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/bld -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/Cross/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/src/vm -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/Cross/plugins/FilePlugin -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/Cross/plugins/B3DAcceleratorPlugin -I/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/plugins/B3DAcceleratorPlugin -DSUGAR -c /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm-display-fbdev/sqUnixFBDev.c -fPIC -DPIC -DPIC -o sqUnixFBDev.o cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm-display-fbdev/sqUnixFBDevMouse.c:109, from /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm-display-fbdev/sqUnixFBDev.c:128: /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm-display-fbdev/sqUnixFBDevMousePS2.c: In function 'ms_ps2_send': /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm-display-fbdev/sqUnixFBDevMousePS2.c:113: error: ignoring return value of 'write', declared with attribute warn_unused_result /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm-display-fbdev/sqUnixFBDevMousePS2.c: In function 'ms_ps2_disable': /home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/platforms/unix/vm-display-fbdev/sqUnixFBDevMousePS2.c:144: error: ignoring return value of 'write', declared with attribute warn_unused_result make[2]: *** [sqUnixFBDev.lo] Error 1 make[1]: *** [vm-display-fbdev.la] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/morgan/sugar-jhbuild/source/squeak/bld' make: *** [default] Error 2 *** error during stage build of squeak: ## Error running make *** [22/36] This has also been reported by the developer packaging squeak for Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squeak-vm/+bug/254547 That bug report suggests building with -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 - or is there a better way of fixing this? Regards Morgan ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar on Edubuntu
At Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:53:11 -0800, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 06.11.2008, at 00:12, David Farning wrote: Do you know who I should talk to about requesting that http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/ be update to reflect this information? Squeak (at squeak.org) and Etoys (at vpri.org / squeakland.org) are two different versions that were last merged at Squeak version 3.8. The full relicensing for now only applies to the Etoys version, but the squeak.org version will certainly follow soon. Yup. The license description for Etoys is available at: http://www.vpri.org/vp_wiki/index.php/Main_Page -- Yoshiki ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on Edubuntu
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 23:55, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One sticking point was the availability of squeak on Ubuntu. If I remember this issue was beaten to death before I got involved with SL. If anyone has pointers to the relevant threads, I would appreciate them. My perspective is that Etoys is an important part of Sugar, and we'd like to have it in Ubuntu as soon as possible, but it doesn't hold back the rest of Sugar. The Edubuntu community is interested in Squeak already, for other reasons, so there are a good number of people who want it included. If possible, we'd like to see it in Debian, so we can maintain it through the usual sync with Debian. Regards Morgan ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar on Edubuntu
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 02:38, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05.11.2008, at 13:55, David Farning wrote: .One sticking point was the availability of squeak on Ubuntu. If I remember this issue was beaten to death before I got involved with SL. I only remember discussion of getting it into Debian, not Ubuntu. Basically, even though the license issues are finally resolved, they did not want to have it in because they do not agree with its current development model: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/015479.html Ubuntu syncs from Debian during every development cycle, so if it's in debian we get it in Ubuntu with no extra work. The mail you reference doesn't give all the details but I think I remember the issue - building from source: Debian considers packages that can't build from source to be non-free. Thanks for the reminder of this issue - I'll take it up on the edubuntu list. Regards Morgan ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] NO (formal) design meeting this week.
Hello all - I apologize for the lack of organization of the biweekly design meetings as of late. Unfortunately, I'm going to duck out this week as well, as I need to focus heavily on a deadline for next week. However, I will remain on IRC following the sugar meeting and will be more than happy to discuss any thoughts or ideas that are brought there. I just haven't had time to prepare any visuals or set an agenda myself. So, if you have something to say, please say it! The informal meeting is in #sugar-meeting in about 30 minutes, at 15:30 UTC. I look forward to getting back on track with planned meetings on the 20th, - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] sugar 0.83 in joyride
Hi, Hi again, I'm thinking that perhaps best would be to create a joyride branch similar to faster that sugar developers could administer by ourselves. In that way we wouldn't be blocking on each other so often and Sugar developers could more easily adapt Sugar to the OLPC hardware. I'm fine with giving commit access to pilgrim/joyride to any Sugar developers who want it. Shall we just do that instead? Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] sugar 0.83 in joyride
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This certainly seems like a reasonable solution. Awesome, how much time would it take to get implemented? Thanks, Tomeu On Nov 6, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, Hi again, I'm thinking that perhaps best would be to create a joyride branch similar to faster that sugar developers could administer by ourselves. In that way we wouldn't be blocking on each other so often and Sugar developers could more easily adapt Sugar to the OLPC hardware. I'm fine with giving commit access to pilgrim/joyride to any Sugar developers who want it. Shall we just do that instead? Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] sugar 0.83 in joyride
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, The patch looks fine to me but I'm headed off to UY, so it would probably be best if someone else did the packaging. Done, and updated bug #8850 for when you get back. Daniel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
