Re: [sugar] Which pygame version is Sugar currently used?
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hey all, someone at university here is currently planning an activity and asked me which pygame version Sugar is currently using. Neither he nor I couldn't really find any information on it on [[Pygame]] or [[Software components]] or the more recent archives... Any pointers and help are appreciated. Thanks, Christoph Hey Christoph, http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/8.2/767http://dev.laptop.org/%7Ebert/8.2/767says pygame.i386 0:1.8.0-1.olpc3.3 On the XO you can get the version with 'rpm -q pygame' HTH, Simon Simon, thanks a lot for the quick reply (esp. given the time here in GMT+2;-). FFM had already told me a way to find the pygame version but yours is certainly easier than entering import pygame pygame.version.ver Thanks again, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] License your bundles, please!
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Gilmore has been pushing us to get our licensing ducks in a row. The one remaining problem has been activities and content bundles: we can't legally distribute bundles that don't have a clear statement of license. I have added documentation to: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles#.info_File_Format and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sample_library.info_file on a new 'license=' field in the activity.info and library.info files, closely modelled after the License: field in RPM packages. Now I need your help! Could you all look at any activity and content bundles you maintain, add an appropriate license statement if there isn't one already (comments at the top of source files, or a COPYING file, or a statement in the README, etc) and the add a 'license=' field to your activity.info or library.info documenting the license choice? Commenting on http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8411 when you've done so will help me keep track of how we're doing. We will not be able to ship any activities in our G1G1 8.2 image which do not have appropriate license information -- since mstone's plan-of-the-moment is to make the first release candidate for this next week, the situation is pretty urgent. Also, we will probably need to remove any activity bundles hosted on the dev.laptop.org wiki which do not have statements of license at one point. Your help is appreciated! Wouldn't Morgan and his recent survey of activity authors be a valuable resource to quickly and directly get in touch with as many activity authors as possible? Christoph Thanks! --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Status of Wordsmith / Scrabble activity
(copying sugar@ since I'm not sure how many people are really subscribed to games@ and activities@) Hey all, I just stumbled across the concept for a Wordsmith / Scrabble activity ( http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Wordsmith(scrabble)) and now I was wondering whether anyone was actively working on the project. The last edit to said wiki page happened in mid-June and I don't remember hearing about it since then. The main reason why I'm asking is that I'll be meeting up with professors at two Austrian universities who had previously expressed interest in contributing to OLPC via student projects 1 1/2 weeks from now. I'd like to be able to offer them a short list of cool projects, software, content (aka easy wins) that they or their students could be working on over the next 6 months. Any pointers appreciated! Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Automatic power management disabled in control panel
Hi all, upgraded to 2414 and realized that the auto power management checkbox in the sugar control panel is unchecked even though the XO seems to show a regular power management behavior. Is this a bug or am I missing something here (e.g. auto power management being a different mode to what's the default setting)? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Season of Usability project
Hi Eben, I was wondering how Alessandro Vona's Season of Usability project wrt handheld-mode was coming along. The mid-term report ( http://season.openusability.org/index.php/2008/08/04/mid-term-reports/) sounded very promising, especially in terms of making that decision whether going for a generic solutions or a more customizable / per-activity solution would be preferable. I did a quick search on both the sugar-archives and wiki but couldn't find anything relevant so any pointers are appreciated. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Activities] Camera raw mode (WAS: Panorama activity)
Nirav, IIRC the camera also supports a RAW mode, right? Is this another feature that we could integrate into an advanced camera activity that also includes the features mentioned below? Thanks, Christoph On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Nirav Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about integrating it into Record, but the other issues are fairly easy to resolve. I wrote a Python module over the summer to interface v4l2 cameras that returns Pygame surfaces. Capturing images is near instant (~20ms for 640x480 RGB). Autogain and autowhitebalance can be disabled using v4l2 camera controls. There is support in my module for the hflip and vflip controls, but adding additional controls is trivial. Alternately, we could just use a little utility in C to access any v4l2 camera control. Since the module I wrote is for Pygame and is eventually going to be cross platform, adding v4l2 specific stuff to it is probably not the greatest idea. It may just be better to skip sticking it in Record and make a standalone activity, since Record seems to have plenty of issues on its own without a big new feature. There wouldn't be much code duplication if Panorama doesn't use gstreamer anyway. Nirav On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Derndorfer wrote: | Sweet, I totally missed that! | | Is anyone actively working on integrating that functionality into 'record' | or making it available as a seperate activity? | | Christoph | See http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-February/004307.html The Panorama Activity is snot quite barely functional. It might be best to roll this functionality into Record, and Erik Blankinship has expressed some interest in that. However, Record's UI is very unusual, and I am not about to attempt integration with it myself. Also, as you can see in the examples, this process is only likely to work well once the camera's automatic white balance and gain control are deactivated. The only way I know how to do that is to run in Bayer mode. Bayer mode was introduced in a recent gstreamer, but gstreamer was recently downgraded, which leaves me without a known reliable way to access Bayer mode. - --Ben P.S. For Bayer mode info, see http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-February/011029.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjBM3oACgkQUJT6e6HFtqRowgCfUlngIFr+Gl3jxKRYZAXBNl/x 2hEAnAnoDrrvcd+vIHO68aJthULDKAQC =cvG0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Activities] Panorama activity
Sweet, I totally missed that! Is anyone actively working on integrating that functionality into 'record' or making it available as a seperate activity? Christoph On 9/5/08, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *bump* http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Panorama_camera_activity (code? Nirav is interested in doing something similar!) Brian On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:56 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The XO happens to be perfect for shooting stitched panoramic photographs, due to the swivel design. I tested it out in the OLPCHQ lobby. Then, I wrote a simple panorama stitcher in 50 lines of Python. It runs in 3.4 seconds on my Core Duo, producing this output: http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~bmschwar/lobby_ugly.jpg The results aren't too bad. I also tried stitching this scene with Hugin, the most powerful panorama stitcher I know of. Hugin required significant user intervention and half an hour of computing time, producing this output: http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~bmschwar/lobby_pretty.jpg This scene is unusually difficult because of the huge indoor-outdoor contrast. Given this positive result, I would like to work on a panorama-making activity, possibly inside Capture. I know that at age 10, I loved making panoramas out of photographs. Panoramas provide an immersive way for children to communicate their environments to each other and to the world. - --Ben Schwartz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGeU4yUJT6e6HFtqQRAv4rAJ9F5wTDfzz9piYzzwGskVVmaqZTiQCgjFru QsRergUtY1iCZS6hIXCHjSM= =v5GB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Activities mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/activities -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Map activity not working on joyride-2385
Hey, I just installed 2385 and wanted to run the cool Map activity ( http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Map_%28activity%29) in order to demo it at FUDCon this weekend. Unfortunately the activity seems to hang at startup and gets killed after about 30 seconds or so with the Map icon remaining below the XO on the home-view. Any ideas? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Information re: power mgmt and software update (WAS: Re: Book sprint - AT update - Monday)
Greg Smith schrieb: Hi Christoph et al, Hey all, I'm currently working on the chapter about the Sugar Control Panel for the BookSprint and it looks like I need some more information, especially regarding power management and software updates. I appreciate any pointers to the mailing-list archives or relevant wiki pages. I may not make these meetings either but I'll try to keep up in e-mail. On the 8.2 release notes: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0 I think you can make some good progress documenting the new sugar control panel. However, there is very little good information on exactly what those things do. You should probably take them one at a time. This link has some info: http://sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Releases/Sucrose/0.82 The timezone one should be pretty self explanatory. That said there is one odd thing that needs to be explained. The name of the panel is date and time, it only allows changing time zones right now. Yes, I noticed that issue yesterday. Are there plans to add date/time adjustments or to rename the panel to Timezone? We should explain the difference between about my XO and About Me. Hopefully you can get some sense of that by clicking on them. If you need more input, please ask. Frame is hopefully clear by clicking on it. Power needs a lot of explanation. See the longer battery life section in the release notes. See also this URL: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Tests/Suspend_Resume Chris Ball is the main guy to explain power. Its changing some and we also need to explain when and why the screen goes black sometimes vs. when it dims. The main question I have so far is whether enabling Extreme power management automatically also enables Automatic power management or whether the latter needs to be enabled to use the extreme mode. Also it seems as though the extreme-mode kicks in as soon as the checkbox is clicked therefore potentially confusing users with regards to having to use the ok button to confirm changes. Or am I missing something here? Software updater is a big one but I don't have any good links to its documentation right now. Scott is the author of the code and I think that Eben and Michael S know some about how it works too. Network is important but not well documented. It is related but different from the Register item in the popup menu on the XO guy on the home screen. They should both be well documented for users with a school server and without. You may get the best input on those from the server li I suggest you go right to engineering on the devel list if you can. Otherwise let me know what open questions you have and I'll try to connect you. Thanks a lot for your time and effort! Thanks in advance, Christoph Greg S Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hi all, I'm off for the day to attend some family business and thought I'd leave you with a quick summary: I've got a rough framework going for the Personalising chapter, need to investigate tomorrow to get lots more details about power saving options and especially software updates. Greg, as discussed in the call, maybe you can assist me there by pointing me to relevant resources on the wiki and the mailing-list archives. I'm afraid I won't make it to tomorrow's call but will try to set aside 2 or 3 hours in the evening to continue on the chapter. Wednesday and Thursday evening should work easier for me. Have fun sprinting everyone and see you tomorrow! Cheers, Christoph P.S. Adam Hyde, thanks a lot for all the support, it's much appreciated! -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are thrilled to announce a new test build, joyride-2230, valid until Wednesday, August 13. Please help test it according to the detailed instructions at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing while we still have time to fix issues you might find! Our specific interest this week continues to be activity compatibility: Does your favorite activity still run on joyride-2263? Currently known issues are recorded at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Group_Release_Notes#Build_Joyride_2263 New issues should be filed in our bug-tracking system (dev.laptop.org) according to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Submitting_bugs or by notifying us by other means. Thanks! Michael This isn't really a bug but rather a general observation so I'm not quite sure where to put it... When you're in the software-update panel of the control-panel then there are cancel and ok buttons in the upper right corner. However the ok button seems redundant as they both do exactly the same thing: close the panel and take you back to the main configuration screen. At least that's the case when the software is up-to-date. IIRC you also need to press a button inside the panel for updating when there's new software available which would again make the ok-button redundant. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] letting the user specify the mesh channel
On 8/7/08, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 08:25:15AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: A question for Eben: Though I'm not eben... Will the user still (now using the Frame) be able to choose to specifically mesh on channel 11 ? Yes. See http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/6995/6995_screenshot_45.png for an example of how I currently have it looking. Pretty nice! The only thing I'm wary about is whether the IP address should be there. It might be useful for devs and some G1G1 people but for children and teachers in the deployments this gotta be confusing... Just my 2 euro-cents, Christoph mikus Martin ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] New joyride build 2258
On 8/6/08, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Changes for sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 from 0.81.8-1.fc9 --- + 7495 open cp software-updater on first boot after an update I don't want this! I keep shouting about it and no one seems to be listening! Home absolutely needs to be home base, especially after an update. I'm fine with tossing up a non-modal alert at boot which prompts the user to update right away, with a button which reveals the software update control panel module, but I'm NOT OK with anything which, unbeknownst to the user, flits them away to some other part of the system without his/her consent. +1 Initially I was all for such first-boot features (especially with regard to G1G1 and the help-activity). But after thinking about Eben's arguments in both cases I agree that user should definitely see the home-view as the first thing when they boot the machine. Especially the Sugar-Control-Panel and its overlay above the home-view (which IIRC isn't used anywhere else in Sugar except for the Journal object chooser instead of the traditional file-choose dialogue) could be quite confusing. Cheers, Christoph - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Proposal: Activity developers mailing list
2008/8/3 Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 05:10:54PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bastien wrote: | - announce new activities | - announce changes in ownership | - check for dead/agonizing/orphaned activities | - discuss API and dependancies issues All of these things are perfect for [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are precisely what sugar@ is for. They do not cover everything sugar@ is for[1], or is currently used for (see next point). There is no need for an additional mailing list. I'm not sure I agree - sugar@ has so much traffic not relevant to casual activity authors (for example, your Congratulations... thread). I can't believe I did this, but I went through the July sugar@ messages and categorized them into ones I thought would be appropriate for the AA list and ones not (thus for the current sugar@ list). Totals: 808 messages AA - 293 messages 36.3% SS - 515 messages 63.7% You may see the details here: http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/sugar_list_july_2008_categorized.txthttp://dev.laptop.org/%7Emdengler/sugar_list_july_2008_categorized.txt - --Ben Martin 1. From http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar : Sugar is the internal code name for everything users see. This includes the sharing and collaboration experience, base set of tasks, and the entire desktop stack. This mailing list is to discuss the design and the implementation of that effort. (adding Sugar back to the conversation, not sure why it was dropped) I'm generally the first one to argue against YAML (yet-another-mailing-list) as I'm already subscribed to almost 30 OLPC-related ones... However I do believe that the idea of a mailing-list targeted to activity-developers has some merit to it. Contrary to Albert's comment I don't think an announcement only list for when the API breaks is enough, this is such a fundamental thing that should be communicated on all channels (mailing lists, wiki pages, sugar almanac, you name it) when it happens. The fact that this hasn't been done in the past just shows how much is lacking when it comes to making it easy for people to contribute activities without having to follow all the conversations on sugar, devel, etc. Looking at the big picture we we should be thinking about how mailing-lists are going to be used down the road anyway, for example whether there's going to be a gen. 2 (XOXO) list for all things related to that project. There we're going to have the same issue that potentially some (but definitely not all!) issues will overlap with current devel- and sugar discussions, but I guess that's what cross-posting is for. Getting back to the discussion at hand: In a perfect world an activity-developer would not have to worry about core-issues as mostly discussed on sugar and devel, as that stabilized *information* (the outcome and decisions based on the discussions on the lists) would be accessible somewhere on the API doc, wiki, sugar-almanac, activity handbook, etc. The activity-developers mailing-list could then be used to exchange tricks of the trade, ask questions (such as Alex's current one about the difference between sugar-launch and launching from the home-view), solicit help for testing and localization (CC'ing the appropriate mailing-lists in the process) and just plainly sharing ideas and suggestions for activities without actually writing them oneself (another big issue because at the moment we don't have a forum for children, parents, educators, content creators, graphic designers, etc. to share their input). Anyway, just my 2 jet lagged euro-cents, Christoph ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor, OLPCnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Framework for managing the activities (= symfony project)
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 6:18 PM, FFM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 10:50:59AM -0500, Bastien wrote: Sébastien Adgnot just pointed me out that the guys behind the symfony project have developed a plugin management framework for they own needs: http://www.symfony-project.org/ http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/ http://www.symfony-project.org/blog/2008/07/31/plugins-have-a-new-home The structure looks pretty neat, and maybe something like that could be useful on top of the git page for the activities. Yeah, I heard someone was working on using the code from http://addons.mozilla.org. Yes, David Farning mentioned that: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-June/001005.html Christoph -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Random observations with joyride-2225 and latest activities
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 03:05:18PM -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 09:32 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: a) Record: using v56 the activity starts up fine, the display shows whatever the camera is capturing, I can go into fullscreen-mode, switch to different tabs, etc. However once I press the capture-button the whole thing basically freezes, sometimes I was still able to move the mouse but clicking wouldn't have any impact, at other times Sugar completely froze and I had to do a hard reset of the XO. Your save-nand image loaded onto my XO just fine, but Record worked fine. Must be something hardware related. very odd. It could also be hardware independent but non-deterministic. Or deterministic but triggered under input that you didn't give. Michael Hey guys, thanks a lot for all the feedback. Unfortunately I haven't been able to submit any tickets about the issues I encountered as I've been busy with getting ready for flying back across the pond. This has been somewhat painful due to by my flight being canceled today thanks to strikes at Lufthansa. (Oh the fun of last-minute re-booking) Anyway, I hope to be back on speed by Tuesday or something and will submit the respective tickets then. Best regards, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor, OLPCnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Random observations with joyride-2225 and latest activities
Hi all, I've been running joyride-2225 with what I believe to be the latest versions (as per the update software functionality of the sugar-control-panel) of some core activities. In the past half hour I have stumbled across some issues that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else so I thought I'd share them: a) Record: using v56 the activity starts up fine, the display shows whatever the camera is capturing, I can go into fullscreen-mode, switch to different tabs, etc. However once I press the capture-button the whole thing basically freezes, sometimes I was still able to move the mouse but clicking wouldn't have any impact, at other times Sugar completely froze and I had to do a hard reset of the XO. b) TurtleArt: v7 is missing an l in the activity title so we're looking at TurteArt c) Read: This activity is only useful if started by clicking on a file with a mime-type that's associated to read. However it still shows up in the list view of the home-view even though you actually can't do anything with it once you start it. The activity.info file has the show_launcher property to define that behavior, not sure whether in this case it's simply set wrongly in the read .info or whether the list-view presently ignores this attribute. Another odd issue is that when you open read from the list / favorites view and you then want to close it you're presented with a keep error message which seems quite useless considering the fact that no activity / file was actually resumed. Again, not sure whether that's an issue with read or the underlying Journal structure. d) Brightness adjustment: up to 708 and most earlier joyrides that I have used in the past weeks allowed you to immediatly turn of the backlight by pressing ctrl + reduce brightness button. With joyride-2225 this doesn't work anymore. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor, OLPCnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] [Fwd: [Ak-hci-ue] CFP: International Workshop on Adaptivity and Personalization in Ubiquitous Learning Systems (APULS 2008)]
Thought this might be interesting for some of you... Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor OLPCnews, http://www.olpcnews.com ---BeginMessage--- [Apologies for cross-postings. Please forward this e-mail to people who might be interested in this workshop.] CALL FOR PAPERS International Workshop on Adaptivity and Personalization in Ubiquitous Learning Systems (APULS 2008) http://kinshuk.athabascau.ca/apuls2008/index.php in conjunction with the 4th Symposium on Usability HCI for Education and Work (USAB 2008) November 18-21, 2008 Graz, Austria MOTIVATION == Ubiquitous learning environments overcome the restrictions of classroom or workplace restricted learning and extend e-learning by bringing the concepts of anytime and anywhere to reality, aiming at providing people with educational content in their daily living environments. Using devices such as mobile phones or personal digital assistants (PDA) allows new opportunities for learners by being intensely connected. Therefore, educational content and information can be accessed whenever learners need it, in different areas of life, regardless of space and time. While ubiquitous technologies in education is a growing research area, aspects of adaptivity and personalization become more and more important. Incorporating adaptivity and personalization issues in ubiquitous learning systems allows these systems to provide learners with an environment that is not only accessible anytime and anywhere, but also accommodate to the individual preferences and needs of learners. Being aware of and considering the current context of the learners as well as that they have, for example, different prior knowledge, interests, learning styles, learning goals, and so on, leads to a more effective, convenient, and successful learning experience in the ubiquitous learning environments. This workshop deals with innovative research in the area of adaptivity and personalization in ubiquitous learning systems, providing a forum to present and discuss how ubiquitous learning environments can be enhanced with adaptivity and personalization aspects. The overall goal of the workshop is to bring people from different fields together, exchange research ideas and results, and encourage discussion about how to provide learners with valuable and useful learning opportunities in adaptive/personalized ubiquitous learning systems. TOPICS OF INTEREST == Topics of interest for the workshop include (but are not limited to): Adaptive collaboration support Adaptive curriculum sequencing Adaptive presentation and navigation support Agent technology Architectures and frameworks of adaptive/personalized ubiquitous systems Authoring tools for adaptive/personalized ubiquitous systems Data mining, log mining, and web mining for education intelligence Empirical studies of adaptive/personalized ubiquitous systems Games-based learning in ubiquitous environments Human-Computer Interaction Innovative devices for ubiquitous learning Integration and interoperability issues Instructional design and pedagogy Intelligent and adaptive assessment Language learning in ubiquitious environments Life-long learning support Problem solving methods and problem-based learning Semantic web and education Student modelling Ubiquitous technologies for indoor and outdoor learning Virtual, augmented, and mixed reality technologies for ubiquitous learning IMPORTANT DATES === August 22, 2008 Submission deadline for workshop papers September 5, 2008 Notification of workshop papers September 19, 2008 Final version deadline for workshop papers November 18-21, 2008Symposium on Usability HCI for Education and Work (USAB 2008) November 18 or 19, 2008 International Workshop on Adaptivity and Personalization in Ubiquitous Learning Systems SUBMISSION PUBLICATION Authors are invited to submit papers in the following categories: Full papers (8 pages) Short papers (4 pages) The page length includes figures, tables, references, and so on. The format of workshop papers should follow the format of conference papers at USAB. Please use the guidelines at: http://usab-symposium.tugraz.at/page.php?n=130 Please submit your paper via email to Sabine Graf at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and copy to Kinshuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] All submitted papers will be peer-reviewed by 2-3 international reviewers from the program committee. The proceedings will be published by Springer in the Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) Series. REGISTRATION The workshop is held in conjunction
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Silver medal
J.M. Maurer schrieb: On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 01:17 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: http://www.idsa.org/IDEA_Awards/gallery/2008/award_details.asp?ID=772 Not bad! And gold: http://www.idsa.org/IDEA_Awards/gallery/2008/award_winners.asp?Categories_ID=2#gold Even better! On a related note: Also saw two XOs in the 246 and Counting: Recent Architecture and Design Acquisitions exhibition at San Francisco's Museum of Modern Art today... Christoph Marc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor OLPCnews, http://www.olpcnews.com ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Record-55 released
Thanks, I'm so happy to have 'record' back (even with these known issues)! :-) Cheers, Christoph Daniel Drake schrieb: Hi, I've released version 55 of the Record activity, available at: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/record/Record-55.xo http://dev.laptop.org/%7Edsd/record/Record-55.xo git tree: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/dsd/record;a=summary This includes various fixes so that Record works with the newer gstreamer present in joyride. As side effects from the required restructuring, it now switches between capture modes much smoother, and the microphone is turned off when we aren't recording audio (perhaps saving some power?). Known issues: You can't record more than 1 video per session http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7452 http://marc.info/?l=gstreamer-develm=121562099110189w=2 http://marc.info/?l=gstreamer-develm=121562099110189w=2 The picture-in-picture live video feed has been removed from video playback mode: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7459 Daniel -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor OLPCnews, http://www.olpcnews.com ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] dual-display ebook reader project
Some of you might have seen this, but it was certainly new to me: http://vis.berkeley.edu/papers/ebook/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbh4Fdnv-s0 Definitely some food for thought wrt XO-2, don't you think? Thanks for the heads-up, curiouslee! Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor OLPCnews, http://www.olpcnews.com ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Its.an.education.project] One2OneMate
Sounds good, looking forward to seeing Sugar run on it! :-) One thing I was wondering though, why is it so expensive? $399 really seems like *a lot* of money for that machine... Walter Bender schrieb: I got my hands on a One2OneMate last night. It is a pretty cool machine. The keyboard is full, their is a touch screen, built in wireless, some expansion slots, etc. It is light, runs quiet and cool. It comes with a nice suite of applications: Konqueror, a PDF viewer, a note pad, typing tutor, Tux paint, a calculator, etc. It uses a simple tab- and icon-based desktop. It is responsive. I am trying to install some apps off of their server--haven't figured out how to get to the console yet. Definite Sugar potential!! -walter ___ Its.an.education.project mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lo-res.org/mailman/listinfo/its.an.education.project ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Its.an.education.project] One2OneMate
Bert Freudenberg schrieb: On 14.05.2008, at 13:51, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Sounds good, looking forward to seeing Sugar run on it! :-) One thing I was wondering though, why is it so expensive? $399 really seems like *a lot* of money for that machine... Well, that includes a 5 year warranty on parts and labor. Ah, okay, I completely missed that... Thanks, Christoph Also, without much competition in the price range, to many it would even look aggressively-priced. - Bert - Walter Bender schrieb: I got my hands on a One2OneMate last night. It is a pretty cool machine. The keyboard is full, their is a touch screen, built in wireless, some expansion slots, etc. It is light, runs quiet and cool. It comes with a nice suite of applications: Konqueror, a PDF viewer, a note pad, typing tutor, Tux paint, a calculator, etc. It uses a simple tab- and icon-based desktop. It is responsive. I am trying to install some apps off of their server--haven't figured out how to get to the console yet. Definite Sugar potential!! -walter ___ Its.an.education.project mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lo-res.org/mailman/listinfo/its.an.education.project ___ Its.an.education.project mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lo-res.org/mailman/listinfo/its.an.education.project ___ Its.an.education.project mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lo-res.org/mailman/listinfo/its.an.education.project ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] creation of local feedback groups
Zitat von Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zitat von Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tomeu, tomeu wrote: Hi all, now that a considerable number of people are starting to use the first minimally complete version of Sugar, may be a good moment to discuss and agree on which is the best way for feedback to reach us the developers. This is the right idea. The key would be for the coordinators of the local feedback groups to summarize but not filter or bias the response w/ their own concerns. Most local volunteers are tech-oriented (like myself) and it is easy for us alter the feedback we get or selectively hear or magnify the responses that match our own. We need info from groups that don't use the tools of open-source trade -- wikis, mailing lists, IRC. We will be providing a lot of feedback from our pilots starting this Friday. How should we send that feedback to the Sugar Team? the best persons on the OLE Nepal team to provide this feedback are Kamana Regmi and Bipul Gautam, two teachers who are not familiar w/ wikis, IRC, mailing lists, etc. It would be easiest if they had an e-mail address to send their responses to. They would be very confused by the tech talk on Sugar-Request and Devel-Request. I agree that it's absolutely necessary to keep the barrier to entry for this feedback as low as possible. While e-mails are certainly a good start I'd like to see the submitted information also be added to an online-database because I find mailing-list archives to be a consistent pain the ass when it comes to retrieving previous communication and information. A searchable and taggable database would certainly make that easier. Plus we also have to consider the fact that many of the people giving the most valuable feedback (=teachers) might not even speak English and it would be important to keep a record of their original feedback somewhere. In terms of the organizational structure it might make sense to have some sort of feedback-liaison in each group. So for example if OLPC people on the ground in Peru want to find out what's happening in Nepal they'd just have to contact one person directly instead of asking their way around. Should we maybe set up a wiki page for that kind of information? Cheers, Christoph If I summarize the input I will inevitably filter the information and magnify what I think is coolest. Ok, so sending email directly to the mailing lists may be too inconvenient, and we don't have yet a database like the one Christoph described. Can we use anything else in the short term, see how well it suits our needs, and then go back from there? Tomeu Could trac with a very simplified UI maybe do the trick? Christoph ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] creation of local feedback groups
Zitat von Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tomeu, tomeu wrote: Hi all, now that a considerable number of people are starting to use the first minimally complete version of Sugar, may be a good moment to discuss and agree on which is the best way for feedback to reach us the developers. This is the right idea. The key would be for the coordinators of the local feedback groups to summarize but not filter or bias the response w/ their own concerns. Most local volunteers are tech-oriented (like myself) and it is easy for us alter the feedback we get or selectively hear or magnify the responses that match our own. We need info from groups that don't use the tools of open-source trade -- wikis, mailing lists, IRC. We will be providing a lot of feedback from our pilots starting this Friday. How should we send that feedback to the Sugar Team? the best persons on the OLE Nepal team to provide this feedback are Kamana Regmi and Bipul Gautam, two teachers who are not familiar w/ wikis, IRC, mailing lists, etc. It would be easiest if they had an e-mail address to send their responses to. They would be very confused by the tech talk on Sugar-Request and Devel-Request. I agree that it's absolutely necessary to keep the barrier to entry for this feedback as low as possible. While e-mails are certainly a good start I'd like to see the submitted information also be added to an online-database because I find mailing-list archives to be a consistent pain the ass when it comes to retrieving previous communication and information. A searchable and taggable database would certainly make that easier. Plus we also have to consider the fact that many of the people giving the most valuable feedback (=teachers) might not even speak English and it would be important to keep a record of their original feedback somewhere. In terms of the organizational structure it might make sense to have some sort of feedback-liaison in each group. So for example if OLPC people on the ground in Peru want to find out what's happening in Nepal they'd just have to contact one person directly instead of asking their way around. Should we maybe set up a wiki page for that kind of information? Cheers, Christoph If I summarize the input I will inevitably filter the information and magnify what I think is coolest. -- Bryan W. Berry Systems Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Journal Tagging in Activities
What I'm looking for is an explicit tagging funcionality within an activity, for example the way it works in 'record' at the moment. It just doesn't seem to make sense to be forced to switch to the Journal any time I want to tag (the result of) an activity when I really should be able to tag anything and everything from within the activity where I create the datastore object in question. Cheers, Christoph Tomeu Vizoso schrieb: Hi, activities can already edit the 'tags' property in the same way as any other metadata property. Or are you proposing some tagging mechanism in the default activity toolbar? Thanks, Tomeu On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Eduardo H Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a me too reply: I really agree that tags and descriptions will be less used if they can't be edited within an activity. Eduardo 2008/3/3, Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey all, I had previously mentioned (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-February/004397.html) that I believe that [[Human Interface Guidelines]] should contain some best-practice examples for developers. Now I was looking through some of the ideas for the next version of the Journal and that made me realize that it might make sense to add Journal tagging support directly to activities. At least to me that feature is great when using 'record' to take photos as I can directly add the name and tags from within the activity by clicking on the 'I' button of any photo. With all other activities I have to switch to the Journal and do that editing there which is quite inconvenient. Especially when it comes to activities such as 'paint', 'write' and 'measure' which produce quite a lot of output in the form of different usage-threads (e.g. different temperature-measurements for a chemistry experiment). Please let me know what you think. Regards, Christoph P.S. This message was written while driving 140km/h on the Autobahn from Chemnitz to Hannover... ;-) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Journal Tagging in Activities
Hey all, I had previously mentioned (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-February/004397.html) that I believe that [[Human Interface Guidelines]] should contain some best-practice examples for developers. Now I was looking through some of the ideas for the next version of the Journal and that made me realize that it might make sense to add Journal tagging support directly to activities. At least to me that feature is great when using 'record' to take photos as I can directly add the name and tags from within the activity by clicking on the 'I' button of any photo. With all other activities I have to switch to the Journal and do that editing there which is quite inconvenient. Especially when it comes to activities such as 'paint', 'write' and 'measure' which produce quite a lot of output in the form of different usage-threads (e.g. different temperature-measurements for a chemistry experiment). Please let me know what you think. Regards, Christoph P.S. This message was written while driving 140km/h on the Autobahn from Chemnitz to Hannover... ;-) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions
Eben Eliason schrieb: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while toying around with the Journal today I had two ideas about the anything and anytime filter functions: Both interesting ideas... anything: Apart from offering activities and file-types as filter-options I'm thinking that it might make sense to also offer an option for different subjects that kids will have at school. So things like Maths, English, whatever... My thought is that many activities will be started and resumed in a certain class-context and offering such a filter could help them to quickly find related matters. One of our fears here is the proliferation of options within this menu, which could eventually limit its usefulness, and is the reason we chose to limit to some primitive types and the installed activities. A common way to address this problem is to make the menu customizable with user-defined filters and the ability to remove unneeded filters (but keep the option to restore them later). Google mail is an example, where users can create their own tags and set filters to apply them automatically. Indeed. The implied hypothetical at the end of my response alluded to the fact the almost anything is possible, assuming you add additional UI/management tools, but we're trying to find a balance between functionality and management overhead. I'm using Gmail to write this, and their system does work pretty well, but naturally has an entire screen dedicated to both creating labels and assigning filters. We've also discussed the possibility of adding saved searches or the like (there are 15 names for this basic idea...) in the future, but there is a lot of basic functionality left to add before we add this form of meta-functionality. Perhaps the What list is the appropriate place for these saved filters to live, eventually. Thanks for offering that idea. I agree, adding those customized filters to the what category would make a lot of sense. - Eben The usual alternative is folders, as in Moodle. One can imagine that the subject of an activity is actually subjectively defined, and even when it's relatively clear, we might wind up with some for each of math, geometry, trigonometry, algebra, etc. To make a similar functionality available, though, we've chosen to allow developers to supply a list of tags within the .info file for any given activities, which could include several subject related words, as well as more abstract or general terms like game, simulation, or language. We hope that the ability to search by broad terms such as math or games will then turn up a list of appropriately related activities. Having just typed this and then reviewing the wiki, I notice that this part of the spec doesn't appear to be there yet! Can those familiar with this respond about the presence or absence of this capability? If this isn't there, it should get a ticket. It should be a pretty straightforward addition and simple to implement, it seems. Ahhh, that's indeed interesting, I hadn't been aware of this functionality before... Per Eben's question: Does anyone happen to know whether this is already implemented or not? anytime: Here it might make sense to add more informal filters such as 5 grado, 2nd semester or something along these lines. This one is actually much harder to do in a general way. We chose, on purpose, to treat time in the relative sense with respect to the Journal. Instead of seeing a story you wrote on November 28, 2007 you might find a story you wrote 3 months ago. This approach was chosen, in a sense, to internationalize (or perhaps simply generalize) the Journal with respect to time, so that school systems with widely different schedules (some might have class daily for one of every 3 months, for instance) can all take advantage of it. Of course one could also argue that such information could be explicitly added via the tags but I think a more implicit mechanism could potentially make more sense. You can see how, in the former case, the tag model is still implicit, in a sense, when installing an activity. In the latter case, I don't see any good way other than explicit tagging that doesn't have additional UI overhead/management to function. I'm open to ideas here. Mmmm, shouldn't it
Re: [sugar] how does an activity connect to the journal?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: -- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:57:25 -0500 From: Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sugar] how does an activity connect to the journal? To: Paul Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sugar Mailing List sugar@lists.laptop.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Paul Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tomeu wrote: Yeah, it's a very important concept and perhaps it's not clearly stated in the wiki documentation. Do you have any idea about how to improve this? Perhaps the HIG should make this clearer? it may be there already. i need to spend some more quality time with the HIG document. Heh, me too, and I'm the one writing (or rather, who wrote) most of it. Unfortunately, it's been stagnant for quite some time and needs a major refresh. I think it should still provide a pretty solid overview of all the major concepts, though some details may not be fully accurate at this point. Your thoughts on its current state and areas for improvement would be much appreciated. Thanks! As I'm currently working on the chapter about GUIs for our Activity Handbook (http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/index.php/Activity_handbook) I've been spending quite a lot of the time on the [[HIG]] pages lately. In general I feel that they're very well written and I also always recommend them as must-read to anyone who's interested in Sugar or writing activities. Apart from the missing sections towards the end I also have a couple of other comments and suggestions: First of all I feel that the API References deserve more love. The reference entries themselves definitely need to be extended in order to be really useful to (new) developers. I've been trying to do that in the Activity Handbook by including short code-snippets for some of the things one can do with e.g. the toolbox/toolbar: --- snip --- As mentioned above the standard activity toolbar comes with both the Share with combo-box and the keep-button enabled. For situations where these elements aren't needed we can simply hide them by setting their visible property to False. Below you can find a code-snippet that does exactly that: code # Loads the activity toolbar activity_toolbar = toolbox.get_activity_toolbar() # Hides the Share with: combo-box activity_toolbar.share.props.visible = False # Hides the keep button activity_toolbar.keep.props.visible = False /code --- snip --- I'm not sure how much code belongs into the [[HIG]] itself (probably none!) but I definitely think that kind of information needs to be tied in by linking to relevant resources. Secondly I believe that more information about collaboration should be included. Right now for example we have many activities that come with a share with: button but don't actually do anything. So how much of a requirement is collaboration actually? Is it okay to have single-player games and single-user activities or should everyone really try to allow for multiple people to work on an activity? Another thing that might be useful is a list of do-s and don't-s. I'm sure that Eben and many other have come across activities that seemed to do something particularly well or not so well and these examples could be used as case-studies. Right now some elements such as the toolbars are very well explained but what at least I'm looking for is a closer explanation of how different elements should or shouldn't be tied together. All in all I believe we can all learn a lot from the mistakes that others have made. Cheers, Christoph - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions
Hey all, while toying around with the Journal today I had two ideas about the anything and anytime filter functions: anything: Apart from offering activities and file-types as filter-options I'm thinking that it might make sense to also offer an option for different subjects that kids will have at school. So things like Maths, English, whatever... My thought is that many activities will be started and resumed in a certain class-context and offering such a filter could help them to quickly find related matters. anytime: Here it might make sense to add more informal filters such as 5 grado, 2nd semester or something along these lines. Of course one could also argue that such information could be explicitly added via the tags but I think a more implicit mechanism could potentially make more sense. Regards, Christoph ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] free disc space in journal
Hey, I just ran into ticket #6354 (Record activity -- how full is too full? at https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6354) on my XO and now I was wondering whether there are any plans to integrate a way of letting the users know how much disc space is still available into the Journal. Using MB values probably doesn't make sense but some kind of colour-coding system could be used... I'm thinking this is also an interesting issue wrt cjb's Disconnected backups project. Greetings from Vienna, Christoph ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Does anyone know Game Baker?
Hello all, I recently stumbled across the Game Baker project (http://code.google.com/p/game-baker/) and apparently this is a visual game editor for children, and it's written in Python... Does anyone here happen to have any experience with it? I was thinking that this might come in handy either directly on the XO (of course it would need to be sugarized first) or at least as a tool for XO-centric game development. Cheers, Christoph (OLPC Austria) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] status of MANIFEST file
C. Scott Ananian schrieb: On Dec 8, 2007 7:18 PM, Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel and me are again having another weekend-jam working on the activity handbook and we've just spent the past half hour looking at different .xo packages from the git-repository to see how the MANIFEST file inside the .xo package is being used. I'd like to see some documentation on how to integrate a non-Python activity into sugar. It certainly has been done, but it seems shrouded in the black art of the pygtk binding. Maybe a C Hello World example would be nice, which contains the minimum python glue to invoke a C function with the necessary GTK context? --scott Yeppa, we definitely want to integrate something like that in one of the chapters... However seeing how much work we have 'round here it might be some time before we actually get 'round to doing that. Maybe someone already knows how to do that and can write a quick'n'dirty howto! Cheers, Christoph ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] status of MANIFEST file
Hey all, Daniel and me are again having another weekend-jam working on the activity handbook and we've just spent the past half hour looking at different .xo packages from the git-repository to see how the MANIFEST file inside the .xo package is being used. Results really vary, some activities don't come with a MANIFEST at all, some only list a file or two inside the MANIFEST while others really do come with a complete index of all the files included in the package. So what I'm basically asking is what the exact requirements for the MANIFEST file are as activities seem to work regardless of what it contains. Thanks, Christoph ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] lots of scrolling in activities-list
Hello all, I finally had a chance to play with our B4s and build 648. Given that a number of additional activities are now available compared to previous builds I do find the scrolling in the activities list to be a bit tiresome. Especially when I think about these laptops being in use for several months, children having downloaded more activites, maybe additional activities will be deployed by local groups or ministries of education. That can easily result in upwards of 30 or 40 activities being installed on any given machine. Shouldn't we try to come up with a better (or at least offer an alternative) approach to handling these lists of activities? (How about a start button for example?;-) Maybe categories or something? What do you think? Cheers, Christoph (OLPC Austria) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] lots of scrolling in activities-list
Eben, thanks a lot for the information! I'm very much looking forward to what you guys have thought of... :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:13:20 -0500 From: Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: lots of scrolling in activities-list To: Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], sugar@lists.laptop.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We have a completely new approach to this on the table, which will be discussed and hopefully placed into the roadmap soon. Once we've polished the ideas and the mockups I'm sure they will be available for everyone to provide feedback on. It won't be a start menu, though; I promise. ;-) - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] project idea: Interactive-Sugar-Online-Simulation (ISOS)
Hello, I just stumbled across a very interesting comment by Eduardo Montez over on OLPCnews.com (http://www.olpcnews.com/laptops/xo1/olpc_news_100_laptop_fundraising_drive.html): off topic: I just got an idea for showing people what Sugar can do. Some should put up an interactive web site where anyone can sign on for free, and all the people who are using it at any time would be the community and show up on the gui, connected through the server instead of the meshnetwork. That way people could experience the collaborative aspect of Sugar, which is its greatest innovation. I certainly think this is an outstanding idea, even though such an implementation is obviously anything but trivial. Such a virtual Interactive-Sugar-Online-Simulation (ISOS) could potentially act like one of those web-operating-systems that have become somewhat popular lately. It would basically allow for children who use a regular Windows PC to use at least some of the innovations and unique features that Sugar provides. So the requirement for being able to benefit from these outstanding developments would shift from need to have an X0 to need to have some computer with a browser and internet connectivity. What do you think? Best regards, Christoph ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] E-Mail Activity
Hey, while going through the activity grid (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities) I realized that there's no talk of a sugarized e-mail client... Can this indeed be true? Are the children only supposed to use webmail solutions, maybe provided by the school or something? I for one certainly think that a light-weight e-mail client should be included with all X0s... Regards, Christoph Derndorfer ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
