Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing

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FYI,
   I made a few quick edits...  organized it a bit more, made a glossary
tab/page (to define those confusing terms).

I also started a list of 'checklist items', which Activities need before
they can become part of the 'G1G1v2 Activity Pack'.  (I didn't know the
specific details, but put down some ideas )

If the list of activities gets too long, we may think about pivoting the
table around... but it's going to be difficult with a long criteria list.

-iXo

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 13:41, Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sameer thanks for making the spreadsheet world  editable
> > By the way how are you defining the following terms:-
> >
> > Stability
> > Performance
> > Child Utility
> > Technical Utility
> > Grown-up utility
> > Lines of code
>
>
> I'm not. I just pulled out a few items that came to me. Ideally, the
> Sugar team should be making this list.
>
>
> >
> > Good definitions of these terms noted in the spreadsheet will reduce
> > ambiguity.
>
> Agreed. Like a good data dictionary.
>
> Sameer
> --
> Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Information Systems
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
>
>
> > Nothing like ambiguity to cause misunderstanding.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 21, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Sameer Verma wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Sameer Verma wrote:
> >>>
>  On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of
> >> the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These
> >> collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a
> >> built-in community of support. They are learning-centric
> collections,
> >> but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other
> >> pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP.
> >>
> >> -walter
> >
> >
> > I'm not convinced that they are well-tested.  They included News
> > Reader,
> > which hasn't worked for the last several releases.  That doesn't
> > suggest
> > to
> > me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing
> > before
> > deployment.   They have since been tested in the field by children.
>  I
> > *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet.  At least not from South
> > American and not any broad spectrum.
> >
> > ---Seth
> >
> >
> 
>  In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at
>  least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a
>  scoring matrix at
>  http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDg&hl=en
> >>>
> >>> Well I logged in to google docs, but I cannot edit this spreadsheet.  I
> >>> wanted to add Chat to the matrix as this activity is an extremely
> useful
> >>> communication tool for both children and adults.  I know G1G1 users
> that
> >>> spend at least 80% of their XO usage  with Chat and they have reported
> to
> >>> me
> >>> that they have observed children having a wonderful time using Chat to
> >>> communicate with their friends even when their friends  were in the
> same
> >>> room.
> >>
> >> I've made it world-editable. Alternatively, you can download the
> >> spreadsheet and play with it in Excel or OpenOffice.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Gmail activity seems redundant as Gmail is reachable from Browse.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, but it exists. Feel free to add as many activities as needed.
> >>
> >> Sameer
> 
>  In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has
>  factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just
>  made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C)
>  essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a
>  total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel
>  free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score
>  gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals
>  in Descending order and skim off the top 10.
> 
>  There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple.
> 
>  Sameer
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Re: [sugar] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing

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How about adding these into Joyride Activities one at a time ?

A sort of encouragement for testers to test them out. before 8.2
release  :)

-iXo

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 15:27, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Thanks a lot for the input on which activities to ship!
>
> Here is the list of activities I will to management as my suggestion on
> what we ship.
>
> Please help test these! See the end of the e-mail for instructions.
>
> The list I recommend is essentially the G1G1 activities (kudos to the
> team who chose the first set!). In addition to those I list a few which
> got repeated votes (except Chess and Sudoku which are a concession to SJ
> ;-)
>
> Original G1G1 activities:
> Browse
> Read
> Write
> Paint
> Record
> TamTam Jam, Mini, on fence: Synthlab,  Edit,
> Chat
> Pippy
> Etoys
> Turtle Art
> Calculate
> Measure
> Distance
> Memorize
> Terminal
> Log
> Analyze
>
> New ones:
> Help
> Implode
> Speak
> Maze
> SimCity
> Scratch
> Xaos
> StarChart
> Moon
> GCompris Chess
> GCompris Sudoku
>
> The only significant change from the original G1G1 set is the TamTam. I
> think we should include 2 not 4 so as not to over weight them against
> other activities.
>
> Let me know if anyone has comments on that (Jean can you live with that?).
>
> Not all of these are sure to make it. On the other hand it's very
> unlikely that anything else will make it. So if you have an urgent
> request or a specific concern please speak up now.
>
> Of course, anyone can download additional activities so even if an
> activity is not on this list, it still attracts a lot of users.
>
> We need help testing these with the latest 8.2 image. We plan to make a
> release candidate today and if it passes smoke test we will add the
> activities and content to create a signed release candidate on Monday!
>
> Developers,
>
> Please reply with the final version and URL of each activity which we
> should include in the image. Each one must pass final test and have an
> active and reachable developer to make the final list.
>
> Morgan,
>
> can you make sure we have a contact e-mail and name on each of these?
> Also, let me know if you any of them are orphaned or not well maintained.
>
> All,
>
> Please test them all one more time let us know how it goes.
>
> I want to know if each of these passes the tests described here:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Activities
>
> Please create a new test case for any activity that needs one.
>
> To do that, go to this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Form:Test_case
> and entering Tests/Activities/nameofactivity to create a new test case.
> Then choose activity from the drop down and you can just paste in the
> steps test from above for a start.
>
> Then you can add a test result by clicking on the "+" sign next to the
> test case (it takes a little while for them to show up after creation).
>
> You can also e-mail comments or test results back to this list.
>
> Thanks a lot for your help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg S
>
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Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

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Here are my top 10 ranking,
  (with the next 10, if assuming some basic required packages)

Journal
Browse
Write
Record
Paint

Maze
Calculate
Pippy
Physics (or x2o)
Measure

Implode
Speak
Memorize
TamTam
Moon

XaoS
Read
Help
Terminal
XoIRC

My criteria is basic activities or younger children exploring, and as the
user 'masters' those activities... which activities would be next in the
development/adventure/discovery/coolness/learning process. :)

These are my close running "21st" place :)

StarChart
eToys
TurtleArt
Chat
Watch and Listen (Helix media player)
WikiBrowse


-


 SPOILER ALERT <<
  Below is my own informal tally so far, :)
><<<


Record 10
Browse 9
TamTam 8
Write 8
Paint 7

Pippy 6
eToys 6
Measure 5
Speak 5
Read 5
Physics (or X2O) 5
TurtleArt 5

Chat 4
Journal 3
Memorize 3
Help 3
Terminal 3

Moon 2
Distance 2
Firefox 2
SimCity 2
XaoS 2
Frotz 2
Implode 2

Watch and Listen (Helix media player) 1
Acoustic Tape Measure / Distance 1
XoIRC 1
Memory 1
Maze 1
Calculate 1
Ruler 1
StarChart 1
Bridge 1
Words 1
Tumbleboy 1
PlayGo 1
Clock 1
GCompris Chess 1
GCompris Sudoku 1
StarChart 1
ePals 1
WikiBrowse 1
WikiBrowse Spanish 1

FYI, some people assumed basic Activities would be included no matter what:
. . like Journal, Browse, and Help, Terminal.

Cool ! :)
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Re: [sugar] [Activities] Panorama activity

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If the code is short, how about including it in Pippy as an example python
script ? :)
-Iain

2008/9/5 Christoph Derndorfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Sweet, I totally missed that!
>
> Is anyone actively working on integrating that functionality into 'record'
> or making it available as a seperate activity?
>
> Christoph
>
>
> On 9/5/08, Brian Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> *bump*
>>
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Panorama_camera_activity
>>
>> (code? Nirav is interested in doing something similar!)
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:56 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> > Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> > The XO happens to be perfect for shooting stitched panoramic
>> photographs, due to
>> > the swivel design.  I tested it out in the OLPCHQ lobby. Then, I wrote a
>> simple
>> > panorama stitcher in 50 lines of Python.  It runs in 3.4 seconds on my
>> Core Duo,
>> > producing this output:
>> >
>> > http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~bmschwar/lobby_ugly.jpg
>> >
>> > The results aren't too bad.  I also tried stitching this scene with
>> Hugin, the
>> > most powerful panorama stitcher I know of.  Hugin required significant
>> user
>> > intervention and half an hour of computing time, producing this output:
>> >
>> > http://people.fas.harvard.edu/~bmschwar/lobby_pretty.jpg
>> >
>> > This scene is unusually difficult because of the huge indoor-outdoor
>> contrast.
>> > Given this positive result, I would like to work on a panorama-making
>> activity,
>> > possibly inside Capture.  I know that at age 10, I loved making
>> panoramas out of
>> > photographs.  Panoramas provide an immersive way for children to
>> communicate
>> > their environments to each other and to the world.
>> >
>> > - --Ben Schwartz
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Re: [sugar] [support-gang] Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

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My adventures in upgrading from 2269 to 2301.


* olpc-update joyride-2301
  No problems.. very fast to update.

* Sugar / Control panel / 'Software Update' still doesn't work for me.
   (Never has,I have /home/olpc/Activities directory with 18 activities, no
activity packs)
   I suspect hanging on one of the activities, I'll 'divide and conquer' to
determine which
   one.

* When doing a 'shutdown', received the following error.

  Stopping cerebro -p -i msh0 &:  [FAILED]
(a bunch of stuff [OK] )
  Kill cerebro(pgid 1726) ? (Y/N)   [FAILED]

  Typed 'y' and nothing happened, had to do a 'hard reset' via button.

* Bootup time much better ! :)

-iXo

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 20:46, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We are thrilled to announce a new test build, joyride-2301, valid until
> Wednesday, August 20.
>
> Please help test it according to the detailed instructions at
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing
>
> while we still have time to fix issues you might find!
>
> Our specific interest this week has changed; this week, we'd love to
> know:
>
>   "How many ways can you crash or hang your XO?"
>
> Currently known issues are recorded at:
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Group_Release_Notes#Build_joyride-2301
>
> New issues should be filed in our bug-tracking system (dev.laptop.org)
> according to
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Submitting_bugs
>
> or by notifying us by other means.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Michael
>
> P.S. - I was asked to include to specific notices in this email; first,
> that
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update
>
> gives full details on the new Sugar Control Panel Activity Updater and
> second, that we are hoping in future weeks to offer a new "Coordinated
> Testing" volunteer opportunity as part of the run-up to the 8.2.0 raw OS
> release. Poke me, Kim, Joe, Charlie, S Page, Seth, or Francesca for
> details. Sneak preview:
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0
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Re: [sugar] new 8.2.0 beta joyride - upgrading via control panel ?

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John,

Thanks for the heads up..

Actually, I was just replying to an ongoing thread, and updated the subject
approipately. :)

I looked in TRAC and couldn't find anything related, so obviously I wasn't
searching deep enough.  I'll look again and see where I went astray ;-/

The XO that I have running Joyride already has an /home/olpc/Activities
directory owned by OLPC...  so I'll dig into the ticket and see if it has
any other suggestions...

Thanks again, :) -iXo

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:40, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I've tried to use several joyrides and the control panel / upgrade
> > option...   it just sits at 9% and does nothing.  On 2269 I even left it
> > over night to see if it needed more than 10 hrs..  still nothing.
> > (I have no XS server, is one required?) I've never seen it work at all..
> ;-/
> >
> > Is there an estimate on the length of time for the upgrade process..
> clean
> > system with no activities?  with G1G1 activity pack?  with just 5
> > activites?   How long should I wait to get past the first '9%' and
> > downloading?  How much does it need to download first ?
> >
> > -iXo
> > p.s. Shall I file a TRAC ticket with the list of Activities I have ?
>
> It's a bug.
>
> Before sending to two large mailing lists, you should search for the
> existing TRAC ticket about it:
>
>  http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7845
>
> A search for "control panel software update" brought it right up as
> the 2nd ticket.
>
> The way to circumvent the bug is to go to the console terminal and
> do "mkdir /home/olpc/Activities" and "chown olpc /home/olpc/Activities".
> Then the updater will work.
>
>John
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Re: [sugar] new 8.2.0 beta joyride - upgrading via control panel ?

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I've tried to use several joyrides and the control panel / upgrade
option...   it just sits at 9% and does nothing.  On 2269 I even left it
over night to see if it needed more than 10 hrs..  still nothing.
(I have no XS server, is one required?) I've never seen it work at all.. ;-/

Is there an estimate on the length of time for the upgrade process..   clean
system with no activities?  with G1G1 activity pack?  with just 5
activites?   How long should I wait to get past the first '9%' and
downloading?  How much does it need to download first ?

-iXo
p.s. Shall I file a TRAC ticket with the list of Activities I have ?

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 14:28, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Kevin Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > want to update them.  I tell it to install/upgrade them all.  It says
> > "Downloading" but the progress bar never progresses, and it appears to
> > be doing a whole lot of nothing.
>
> FWIW, it worked for me. One of the activity downloads (TamTam Edit?)
> takes *ages* to complete, with little feedback, so I did think it was
> jammed. Eventually it completed.
>
> cheers,
>
>
>
>
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Re: [sugar] jumpy cursor problem and sugar issue

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One thing to note also,
   I have observed that many people (including myself) out of habit do a
quick 'double-tap' on the touchpad for a 'left-click' (which is standard for
most US 'typical' laptops).

I've noticed, 8 times out of 10 times touching the keyboard like this, the
cursor and sensitively of the touchpad goes 'wacko' (highly technical term,
I know. More specifically the 'over-sensitivity' issue:).  Especially in the
650 and 653 builds.  However, four-finger-salute touchpad-reset typically
fixes the problem.

Unfortunately, I am currently running latest joyride (now 1914), and the
problem still sporadically happens.

Might want to see if there is a trend on the last thing that the kids do on
the keyboard/touchpad, just before the wild-cursor issues happen.  (i.e.
double-tap, pushing hard, wiped with cloth, spit on keyboard, PB&J, tears of
frustration, broken broccoli, tap with pencil,  spilled lama juice, etc)

One idea of a 'control group', would be have different set/group of kids use
different pointers.. instead of whole finger. like their fingernail,
hover over pad without touching, different fingers, etc...

Hope that helps,
-iXo

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Bryan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> thanks Carol, this instruction for disabling the corner sensitivity is
> extremely useful! I may use it in the custom build I roll out, some 3-4
> months from now.
>
> I hope some of the hardware techs at OLPC like Richard Smith can shed
> some light on the jumpy touchpad. Rebooting works for me as well but it
> really disrupts the learning experience.
>
>
> On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 07:46 -0700, Carol Lerche wrote:
> > The touchpad issues were a problem in NYC as well.  I noticed that it
> > was most problematic with certain kids who were very "touchy"...they
> > seemed to always have their hands fiddling with the touchpad.  Also
> > most common to occur when using paint or colors activity.  Only way I
> > could clear the problem was rebooting -- the 4 finger salute didn't
> > seem to work.
> >
> > On the wiki, this is the instruction for disabling the corner
> > sensitivity to bringing up the frame.  I haven't tested this myself.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Arjun Sarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > Bryan,
> >
> > Similar issues were dominant at the India pilot too...
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Bryan Berry
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Day 3 of the pilots at Bishwamitra and Bashuki and couple of
> > issues have
> > >  come up
> > >
> > >  1. We are having a lot of trouble w/ jumpy cursors. You
> > know where the
> > >  touchpad behaves erratically. Is there an easy fix to this
> > problem?
> > >
> > >  we are using build 703, MP machines, and firmware Q2d14. We
> > have the
> > >  kids hold down the 4 corner buttons as recommended in the
> > XO user guide
> > >  but that doesn't seem to consistently fix the problem.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I thought there was a fix in Update.1 for the jumpy mouse
> > bug ?
> >
> > Other than that, we had observed that the touchpad behaved
> > differently
> > because many kids chose to use a larger/smaller area of their
> > fingers.
> > Since this is a capacitive touchpad, perhaps that has got
> > something to
> > do with the amount of finger area in contact, or the amount of
> > pressure that one puts (some kids chose to press harder and
> > harder on
> > the touchpad when they couldn't seem to get the cursor under
> > control)
> > ?
> >
> > >  Dust is an issue at the schools but that can't explain the
> > high rate of
> > >  jumpy cursors. Please assist
> > >
> >
> >
> > We didn't find any direct relation with dust as such.
> > Humidity, and
> > sweaty fingers, though, did seem to make things consistently
> > difficult.
> >
> > >  Suggestions?
> > >
> > >  2. For future reference: In general the kids and teachers
> > find it quite
> > >  confusing when they move the cursor to the corners of the
> > screen and the
> > >  Sugar frame pops up. The kids have learned the top row keys
> > very quickly
> > >  - faster than I thought - and they find the frame popping
> > up quite
> > >  confusing. They have learned to use the frame button
> > already.
> > >
> > >  pictures to come and a full write-up, I promise!
> >
> >
> > Looking forward!
> >
> > Good luck.
> > Arjun
> >
> > >
> > >  Bryan W. Berry
> > >  Systems Engineer
> > >  OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
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