Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Luke Faraone
To take a screenshot in sugar, press Alt+1. It will be saved to the journal.

That's the highest resolution they will get on the XO, otherwise they
can use sugar-emulator and crop it themselves.

-lf

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:11, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,
 The Turkish team is trying print sugar manuals and they need high res
 (300 dpi ??) screenshots of sugar for that. Any idea on how to do that
 ?
 Thanks,
 Sayamindu


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Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg

Am 10.10.2008 um 17:11 schrieb Sayamindu Dasgupta:

 Hello,
 The Turkish team is trying print sugar manuals and they need high res
 (300 dpi ??) screenshots of sugar for that. Any idea on how to do that
 ?

Can you tell them that's a silly request? A screenshot, by definition,  
is limited to the screen resolution.

If it's too hard to educate their art department, just make a  
screenshot and adjust the dpi in PhotoShop to 300. They won't notice.

Or do what OLPC's PR does, fake the screenshots in illustrator. Eben  
certainly has a lot of them lying around.

If you *really* wanted to get fancy, run Sugar inside a VNC server of  
say 12000x9000 pixels at 2000 dpi. Sugar is designed to be scalable to  
all resolutions so in theory this should work. In practice you'll find  
there are some things that are not really scaled.

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Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am 10.10.2008 um 17:11 schrieb Sayamindu Dasgupta:

 Hello,
 The Turkish team is trying print sugar manuals and they need high res
 (300 dpi ??) screenshots of sugar for that. Any idea on how to do that
 ?

 Can you tell them that's a silly request? A screenshot, by definition, is
 limited to the screen resolution.



Yeah - that's what confused me :-S

 If it's too hard to educate their art department, just make a screenshot and
 adjust the dpi in PhotoShop to 300. They won't notice.


But don't you think the print process will break in that case ?

 Or do what OLPC's PR does, fake the screenshots in illustrator. Eben
 certainly has a lot of them lying around.



Problem is that the mockups/illustrator stuff are not in Turkish.

 If you *really* wanted to get fancy, run Sugar inside a VNC server of say
 12000x9000 pixels at 2000 dpi. Sugar is designed to be scalable to all
 resolutions so in theory this should work. In practice you'll find there are
 some things that are not really scaled.


Fonts will probably be messed up in that case.

Thanks,
Sayamindu

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Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Bert Freudenberg

Am 10.10.2008 um 18:02 schrieb Sayamindu Dasgupta:

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
 Yeah - that's what confused me :-S

 If it's too hard to educate their art department, just make a  
 screenshot and
 adjust the dpi in PhotoShop to 300. They won't notice.

 But don't you think the print process will break in that case ?

No, why would it? It's just pixels, and this changes a single number  
in the picture file (if you adjust dpi without resampling).


 If you *really* wanted to get fancy, run Sugar inside a VNC server  
 of say
 12000x9000 pixels at 2000 dpi. Sugar is designed to be scalable to  
 all
 resolutions so in theory this should work. In practice you'll find  
 there are
 some things that are not really scaled.


 Fonts will probably be messed up in that case.


They shouldn't, Sugar uses scalable fonts.

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Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 18:12 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If you *really* wanted to get fancy, run Sugar inside a VNC server
  of say
  12000x9000 pixels at 2000 dpi. Sugar is designed to be scalable to
  all
  resolutions so in theory this should work. In practice you'll find
  there are
  some things that are not really scaled.
 
 
  Fonts will probably be messed up in that case.
 
 
  They shouldn't, Sugar uses scalable fonts.
 
 Bert is correct here. It's supposed to work... how well it work in
 practice I don't know :)

The GTK+ theme would need to be adjusted to give good results, as it
uses a lot of pixel sizes.

Benjamin


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Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you *really* wanted to get fancy, run Sugar inside a VNC server
 of say
 12000x9000 pixels at 2000 dpi. Sugar is designed to be scalable to
 all
 resolutions so in theory this should work. In practice you'll find
 there are
 some things that are not really scaled.


 Fonts will probably be messed up in that case.


 They shouldn't, Sugar uses scalable fonts.

Bert is correct here. It's supposed to work... how well it work in
practice I don't know :)

Marco
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Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am 10.10.2008 um 18:02 schrieb Sayamindu Dasgupta:

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 Yeah - that's what confused me :-S

 If it's too hard to educate their art department, just make a
 screenshot and
 adjust the dpi in PhotoShop to 300. They won't notice.

 But don't you think the print process will break in that case ?

Be sure to find out if they really need 300dpi to print. I suspect
they don't. Most printers will print whatever dpi you push them
(within reason).  It's likely the case that they simply request that
as a minimum because, for anything that isn't under a fundamental
resolution limitation like a screenshot, anything less will be of
noticeably lower quality once printed.

In this case, you'll be able to see the actual pixels if the
screenshots are printed large enough, but so what?  That's the real
image.  And, as mentioned before, you'll actually have their suggested
resolution for anything that's printed at 4x3 inches or smaller.

 No, why would it? It's just pixels, and this changes a single number
 in the picture file (if you adjust dpi without resampling).

This is a very important point.  Don't use any form of resampling when
you (if you must) change the dpi, or you'll wind up with a really
high res image that has blurry edges where they should be crisp. (If
there is no don't resample option, use nearest neighbor, which
means the same thing.)


 If you *really* wanted to get fancy, run Sugar inside a VNC server
 of say
 12000x9000 pixels at 2000 dpi. Sugar is designed to be scalable to
 all
 resolutions so in theory this should work. In practice you'll find
 there are
 some things that are not really scaled.


 Fonts will probably be messed up in that case.


 They shouldn't, Sugar uses scalable fonts.

 - Bert -


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Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Benjamin Berg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The GTK+ theme would need to be adjusted to give good results, as it
 uses a lot of pixel sizes.

When does gtk resolution independence land? :)

That's going to make our life so much easier...

Marco
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Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Benjamin Berg
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 Maybe for GTK+ 2.16, which is due next year some time after GUADEC.

 Though I expect that the current proposal is not yet good enough from a
 gtkrc point of view, ie. it does not support basic calculations which we
 would probably need.
 I have never had a close look though.

Than run to look at it and make it work! :P

Marco
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