Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:29 PM, FFM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:20:44PM -0400, Kimberley Quirk wrote: >> I don't think we want it to auto launch, but perhaps it should be the first >> icon on the left. >> >> Thoughts on that? > > I havn't used joyride in a while, but IIRC (around build 2100) they scrapped > the "bar" of activities in favour of a more "scattered on home" approach. gosh I sure *hope* that we switch the default back to the ring before the release of 8.2. There was a thread for developers to vote on their favorite, and I believe the unanimous vote was for ring over freeform. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-July/007191.html Greg or Eben, any word on this? yours, Bobby > I'm not sure what the best placement would be in this case. > > Maybe somewhere in the frame (forever, thus able to provide contextual > assistance in the future), or as a throbbing icon on the home view (just for > the first launch)? > > -FFM > ___ > Sugar mailing list > Sugar@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:29 PM, FFM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe somewhere in the frame (forever, thus able to provide contextual > assistance in the future), or as a throbbing icon on the home view (just > for > the first launch)? > All of our initial discussions on help focused around a contextual help system, and I still hope that this is where we'll be taking this in the future. By embedding (?) icons within the secondary palette menus for various devices, objects, activities, and even individual buttons and controls, we can provide a way to launch into the help activity and dive directly to the relevant info for the activity, control, etc. selected. In addition, I'd like to support a community driven help system by which, in addition to the activity/olpc provided help, it's possible for kids to add tips, tricks, images, tutorials, and other info to these sections for later consumption by peers. This is a noble, but ambitious goal, which is why a simple and static help activity is the present solution, and why it's only integrated into the system at a single point - the activity itself. - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:20:44PM -0400, Kimberley Quirk wrote: > I don't think we want it to auto launch, but perhaps it should be the first > icon on the left. > > Thoughts on that? I havn't used joyride in a while, but IIRC (around build 2100) they scrapped the "bar" of activities in favour of a more "scattered on home" approach. I'm not sure what the best placement would be in this case. Maybe somewhere in the frame (forever, thus able to provide contextual assistance in the future), or as a throbbing icon on the home view (just for the first launch)? -FFM ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
I don't think we want it to auto launch, but perhaps it should be the first icon on the left. Thoughts on that? Kim On Jul 29, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Eben Eliason wrote: My personal opinion on the matter is that we shouldn't be doing the launch automatically, but others are welcome to disagree. =) I think the presence of a nice, clean, question mark icon on the Home screen after boot will be plenty for those that want to jump into help right away, and instilling the Home zoom level as just what it is -- Home -- is equally important. Particularly because of the fullscreen nature of the activities (and the new launcher itself), I actually think it would be more disorienting to be driven directly into the help activity. I'm not sure the decision was finalized, as the ticket you worked from didn't make it clear one way or the other. Thanks for your hard work, either way! - Eben On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the agreement when we met about this was to *not* autolaunch > the activity. Eben? that could certainly be. it was a fun little project for an hour, and I wasn't aware a decision was reached on whether or not to autolaunch it. bobby > Marco > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> after talking with Seth this evening, I whipped together a small patch >> (against the current git heads of sugar and sugar-toolkit) to launch >> an activity with the service name of org.laptop.Help on the first boot >> of the XO. It checks the user profile for a field called 'ShowHelp' >> in a category 'FirstBoot', which doesn't exist on the first launch. I >> know this has been talked about for G1G1, does anyone have any better >> ideas of how to do this? >> >> >> yours, >> Bobby >> >> ___ >> Sugar mailing list >> Sugar@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar >> >> > ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
My personal opinion on the matter is that we shouldn't be doing the launch automatically, but others are welcome to disagree. =) I think the presence of a nice, clean, question mark icon on the Home screen after boot will be plenty for those that want to jump into help right away, and instilling the Home zoom level as just what it is -- Home -- is equally important. Particularly because of the fullscreen nature of the activities (and the new launcher itself), I actually think it would be more disorienting to be driven directly into the help activity. I'm not sure the decision was finalized, as the ticket you worked from didn't make it clear one way or the other. Thanks for your hard work, either way! - Eben On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the agreement when we met about this was to *not* autolaunch > > the activity. Eben? > > that could certainly be. it was a fun little project for an hour, and > I wasn't aware a decision was reached on whether or not to autolaunch > it. > > bobby > > > Marco > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> after talking with Seth this evening, I whipped together a small patch > >> (against the current git heads of sugar and sugar-toolkit) to launch > >> an activity with the service name of org.laptop.Help on the first boot > >> of the XO. It checks the user profile for a field called 'ShowHelp' > >> in a category 'FirstBoot', which doesn't exist on the first launch. I > >> know this has been talked about for G1G1, does anyone have any better > >> ideas of how to do this? > >> > >> > >> yours, > >> Bobby > >> > >> ___ > >> Sugar mailing list > >> Sugar@lists.laptop.org > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > >> > >> > > > ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the agreement when we met about this was to *not* autolaunch > the activity. Eben? that could certainly be. it was a fun little project for an hour, and I wasn't aware a decision was reached on whether or not to autolaunch it. bobby > Marco > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> after talking with Seth this evening, I whipped together a small patch >> (against the current git heads of sugar and sugar-toolkit) to launch >> an activity with the service name of org.laptop.Help on the first boot >> of the XO. It checks the user profile for a field called 'ShowHelp' >> in a category 'FirstBoot', which doesn't exist on the first launch. I >> know this has been talked about for G1G1, does anyone have any better >> ideas of how to do this? >> >> >> yours, >> Bobby >> >> ___ >> Sugar mailing list >> Sugar@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar >> >> > ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
I think the agreement when we met about this was to *not* autolaunch the activity. Eben? Marco On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > after talking with Seth this evening, I whipped together a small patch > (against the current git heads of sugar and sugar-toolkit) to launch > an activity with the service name of org.laptop.Help on the first boot > of the XO. It checks the user profile for a field called 'ShowHelp' > in a category 'FirstBoot', which doesn't exist on the first launch. I > know this has been talked about for G1G1, does anyone have any better > ideas of how to do this? > > > yours, > Bobby > > ___ > Sugar mailing list > Sugar@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > > ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 05:57, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > after talking with Seth this evening, I whipped together a small patch > (against the current git heads of sugar and sugar-toolkit) to launch > an activity with the service name of org.laptop.Help on the first boot > of the XO. It checks the user profile for a field called 'ShowHelp' > in a category 'FirstBoot', which doesn't exist on the first launch. I > know this has been talked about for G1G1, does anyone have any better > ideas of how to do this? If this is suitable for inclusion, please follow the directions here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/CodeReview Regards Morgan ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity
Hello, after talking with Seth this evening, I whipped together a small patch (against the current git heads of sugar and sugar-toolkit) to launch an activity with the service name of org.laptop.Help on the first boot of the XO. It checks the user profile for a field called 'ShowHelp' in a category 'FirstBoot', which doesn't exist on the first launch. I know this has been talked about for G1G1, does anyone have any better ideas of how to do this? yours, Bobby sugar-toolkit.patch Description: Binary data sugar.patch Description: Binary data ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
