Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ I've added a new set of factors to the spreadsheet which now reflects the list from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_an_activity#Include_your_Activity_in_the_core.3F This list is row 41 and below. Before I go on and add more to it, is anyone interested in building this further? Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ I've added a new set of factors to the spreadsheet which now reflects the list from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_an_activity#Include_your_Activity_in_the_core.3F This list is row 41 and below. Before I go on and add more to it, is anyone interested in building this further? BTW, the spreadsheet is at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en Sameer ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en Well I logged in to google docs, but I cannot edit this spreadsheet. I wanted to add Chat to the matrix as this activity is an extremely useful communication tool for both children and adults. I know G1G1 users that spend at least 80% of their XO usage with Chat and they have reported to me that they have observed children having a wonderful time using Chat to communicate with their friends even when their friends were in the same room. I've made it world-editable. Alternatively, you can download the spreadsheet and play with it in Excel or OpenOffice. Gmail activity seems redundant as Gmail is reachable from Browse. Yes, but it exists. Feel free to add as many activities as needed. Sameer In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sameer thanks for making the spreadsheet world editable By the way how are you defining the following terms:- Stability Performance Child Utility Technical Utility Grown-up utility Lines of code I'm not. I just pulled out a few items that came to me. Ideally, the Sugar team should be making this list. Good definitions of these terms noted in the spreadsheet will reduce ambiguity. Agreed. Like a good data dictionary. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ Nothing like ambiguity to cause misunderstanding. On Sep 21, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en Well I logged in to google docs, but I cannot edit this spreadsheet. I wanted to add Chat to the matrix as this activity is an extremely useful communication tool for both children and adults. I know G1G1 users that spend at least 80% of their XO usage with Chat and they have reported to me that they have observed children having a wonderful time using Chat to communicate with their friends even when their friends were in the same room. I've made it world-editable. Alternatively, you can download the spreadsheet and play with it in Excel or OpenOffice. Gmail activity seems redundant as Gmail is reachable from Browse. Yes, but it exists. Feel free to add as many activities as needed. Sameer In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en Well I logged in to google docs, but I cannot edit this spreadsheet. I wanted to add Chat to the matrix as this activity is an extremely useful communication tool for both children and adults. I know G1G1 users that spend at least 80% of their XO usage with Chat and they have reported to me that they have observed children having a wonderful time using Chat to communicate with their friends even when their friends were in the same room. Gmail activity seems redundant as Gmail is reachable from Browse. In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
FYI, I made a few quick edits... organized it a bit more, made a glossary tab/page (to define those confusing terms). I also started a list of 'checklist items', which Activities need before they can become part of the 'G1G1v2 Activity Pack'. (I didn't know the specific details, but put down some ideas ) If the list of activities gets too long, we may think about pivoting the table around... but it's going to be difficult with a long criteria list. -iXo On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 13:41, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sameer thanks for making the spreadsheet world editable By the way how are you defining the following terms:- Stability Performance Child Utility Technical Utility Grown-up utility Lines of code I'm not. I just pulled out a few items that came to me. Ideally, the Sugar team should be making this list. Good definitions of these terms noted in the spreadsheet will reduce ambiguity. Agreed. Like a good data dictionary. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ Nothing like ambiguity to cause misunderstanding. On Sep 21, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en Well I logged in to google docs, but I cannot edit this spreadsheet. I wanted to add Chat to the matrix as this activity is an extremely useful communication tool for both children and adults. I know G1G1 users that spend at least 80% of their XO usage with Chat and they have reported to me that they have observed children having a wonderful time using Chat to communicate with their friends even when their friends were in the same room. I've made it world-editable. Alternatively, you can download the spreadsheet and play with it in Excel or OpenOffice. Gmail activity seems redundant as Gmail is reachable from Browse. Yes, but it exists. Feel free to add as many activities as needed. Sameer In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sameer thanks for making the spreadsheet world editable By the way how are you defining the following terms:- Stability Performance Child Utility Technical Utility Grown-up utility Lines of code I'm not. I just pulled out a few items that came to me. Ideally, the Sugar team should be making this list. Good definitions of these terms noted in the spreadsheet will reduce ambiguity. Agreed. Like a good data dictionary. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ Nothing like ambiguity to cause misunderstanding. On Sep 21, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter I'm not convinced that they are well-tested. They included News Reader, which hasn't worked for the last several releases. That doesn't suggest to me that their activities went through any kind of extensive testing before deployment. They have since been tested in the field by children. I *haven't* seen much feedback from kids yet. At least not from South American and not any broad spectrum. ---Seth In an attempt to make the decision-making process more unbiased (or at least more multi-criteria) I've put up a basic spreadsheet for a scoring matrix at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_Xhb6KcXLyEViA50CnCaDghl=en Well I logged in to google docs, but I cannot edit this spreadsheet. I wanted to add Chat to the matrix as this activity is an extremely useful communication tool for both children and adults. I know G1G1 users that spend at least 80% of their XO usage with Chat and they have reported to me that they have observed children having a wonderful time using Chat to communicate with their friends even when their friends were in the same room. I've made it world-editable. Alternatively, you can download the spreadsheet and play with it in Excel or OpenOffice. Gmail activity seems redundant as Gmail is reachable from Browse. Yes, but it exists. Feel free to add as many activities as needed. Sameer In the spreadsheet, there are three main components. Column B has factors such as stability, performance, etc to assess against. I just made these up, but feel free to make your own. The weights (column C) essentially defines the importance of each factor as a percentage of a total of 100%. The rest of the columns are for each activity. Feel free to add your own. Score them on a scale of 1 to 10. Each score gets weighted and you'll see totals at the bottom. Sort for the totals in Descending order and skim off the top 10. There you have it. Multi-criteria decision-making made simple. Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Information Systems San Francisco State University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://opensource.sfsu.edu/ ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel These are the criteria for inclusion we developed for the original G1G1 program... not really knowing the goals for the new campaign, it is difficult to know if these are relevant... (From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_an_activity#Include_your_Activity_in_the_core.3F) 1. Epistemological impact—to what degree does this activity positively impact learning? (This is of course the most important criteria.) 2. Fun—is it fun? engaging? 3. Quality—is the activity sufficiently robust in its implementation that it will not compromise the integrity or supportability of the system? Is the overall quality of the implementation adequate to meet our standards? Can the community be engaged in the process of testing and certifying and maintaining the activity? 4. Sugarized—to what extent has the activity been integrated into Sugar, including UI, Journal, security, internationalization, etc.? Does the activity require the folding in of additional libraries and resources? (This has impact on robustness—positive and negative—support, bloat, and the overall usability, aesthetics, and perception of quality of the
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are your criteria? Are you ranking things by supportability and size? If so Ruler is a no-brainer. It's 20kb and is unlikely to break easily. On the other hand SimCity is hard to make drastic changes and still be called SimCity. It's currently buggy and has no active maintainer. I am curious about the criteria as well. This thread is expressive of a select few who bothered to reply (self selection bias) and as you can see each list is myopic from the poster's point of view. I've seen a lot of younger kids like tamtam mini mostly because of the cow, sheep, cat dog, duck etc. This is my opinion only though. I'd love to see if there is any data from the field on this. Sameer On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Thanks a lot for the input on which activities to ship! Here is the list of activities I will to management as my suggestion on what we ship. Please help test these! See the end of the e-mail for instructions. The list I recommend is essentially the G1G1 activities (kudos to the team who chose the first set!). In addition to those I list a few which got repeated votes (except Chess and Sudoku which are a concession to SJ ;-) Original G1G1 activities: Browse Read Write Paint Record TamTam Jam, Mini, on fence: Synthlab, Edit, Chat Pippy Etoys Turtle Art Calculate Measure Distance Memorize Terminal Log Analyze New ones: Help Implode Speak Maze SimCity Scratch Xaos StarChart Moon GCompris Chess GCompris Sudoku The only significant change from the original G1G1 set is the TamTam. I think we should include 2 not 4 so as not to over weight them against other activities. Let me know if anyone has comments on that (Jean can you live with that?). Not all of these are sure to make it. On the other hand it's very unlikely that anything else will make it. So if you have an urgent request or a specific concern please speak up now. Of course, anyone can download additional activities so even if an activity is not on this list, it still attracts a lot of users. We need help testing these with the latest 8.2 image. We plan to make a release candidate today and if it passes smoke test we will add the activities and content to create a signed release candidate on Monday! Developers, Please reply with the final version and URL of each activity which we should include in the image. Each one must pass final test and have an active and reachable developer to make the final list. Morgan, can you make sure we have a contact e-mail and name on each of these? Also, let me know if you any of them are orphaned or not well maintained. All, Please test them all one more time let us know how it goes. I want to know if each of these passes the tests described here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Activities Please create a new test case for any activity that needs one. To do that, go to this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Form:Test_case and entering Tests/Activities/nameofactivity to create a new test case. Then choose activity from the drop down and you can just paste in the steps test from above for a start. Then you can add a test result by clicking on the + sign next to the test case (it takes a little while for them to show up after creation). You can also e-mail comments or test results back to this list. Thanks a lot for your help. Thanks, Greg S ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are your criteria? Are you ranking things by supportability and size? If so Ruler is a no-brainer. It's 20kb and is unlikely to break easily. On the other hand SimCity is hard to make drastic changes and still be called SimCity. It's currently buggy and has no active maintainer. I am curious about the criteria as well. This thread is expressive of a select few who bothered to reply (self selection bias) and as you can see each list is myopic from the poster's point of view. I've seen a lot of younger kids like tamtam mini mostly because of the cow, sheep, cat dog, duck etc. This is my opinion only though. I'd love to see if there is any data from the field on this. Sameer On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Thanks a lot for the input on which activities to ship! Here is the list of activities I will to management as my suggestion on what we ship. Please help test these! See the end of the e-mail for instructions. The list I recommend is essentially the G1G1 activities (kudos to the team who chose the first set!). In addition to those I list a few which got repeated votes (except Chess and Sudoku which are a concession to SJ ;-) Original G1G1 activities: Browse Read Write Paint Record TamTam Jam, Mini, on fence: Synthlab, Edit, Chat Pippy Etoys Turtle Art Calculate Measure Distance Memorize Terminal Log Analyze New ones: Help Implode Speak Maze SimCity Scratch Xaos StarChart Moon GCompris Chess GCompris Sudoku The only significant change from the original G1G1 set is the TamTam. I think we should include 2 not 4 so as not to over weight them against other activities. Let me know if anyone has comments on that (Jean can you live with that?). Not all of these are sure to make it. On the other hand it's very unlikely that anything else will make it. So if you have an urgent request or a specific concern please speak up now. Of course, anyone can download additional activities so even if an activity is not on this list, it still attracts a lot of users. We need help testing these with the latest 8.2 image. We plan to make a release candidate today and if it passes smoke test we will add the activities and content to create a signed release candidate on Monday! Developers, Please reply with the final version and URL of each activity which we should include in the image. Each one must pass final test and have an active and reachable developer to make the final list. Morgan, can you make sure we have a contact e-mail and name on each of these? Also, let me know if you any of them are orphaned or not well maintained. All, Please test them all one more time let us know how it goes. I want to know if each of these passes the tests described here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Activities Please create a new test case for any activity that needs one. To do that, go to this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Form:Test_case and entering Tests/Activities/nameofactivity to create a new test case. Then choose activity from the drop down and you can just paste in the steps test from above for a start. Then you can add a test result by clicking on the + sign next to the test case (it takes a little while for them to show up after creation). You can also e-mail comments or test results back to this list. Thanks a lot for your help. Thanks, Greg S ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
^is^are^ :) On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. -walter On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are your criteria? Are you ranking things by supportability and size? If so Ruler is a no-brainer. It's 20kb and is unlikely to break easily. On the other hand SimCity is hard to make drastic changes and still be called SimCity. It's currently buggy and has no active maintainer. I am curious about the criteria as well. This thread is expressive of a select few who bothered to reply (self selection bias) and as you can see each list is myopic from the poster's point of view. I've seen a lot of younger kids like tamtam mini mostly because of the cow, sheep, cat dog, duck etc. This is my opinion only though. I'd love to see if there is any data from the field on this. Sameer On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Thanks a lot for the input on which activities to ship! Here is the list of activities I will to management as my suggestion on what we ship. Please help test these! See the end of the e-mail for instructions. The list I recommend is essentially the G1G1 activities (kudos to the team who chose the first set!). In addition to those I list a few which got repeated votes (except Chess and Sudoku which are a concession to SJ ;-) Original G1G1 activities: Browse Read Write Paint Record TamTam Jam, Mini, on fence: Synthlab, Edit, Chat Pippy Etoys Turtle Art Calculate Measure Distance Memorize Terminal Log Analyze New ones: Help Implode Speak Maze SimCity Scratch Xaos StarChart Moon GCompris Chess GCompris Sudoku The only significant change from the original G1G1 set is the TamTam. I think we should include 2 not 4 so as not to over weight them against other activities. Let me know if anyone has comments on that (Jean can you live with that?). Not all of these are sure to make it. On the other hand it's very unlikely that anything else will make it. So if you have an urgent request or a specific concern please speak up now. Of course, anyone can download additional activities so even if an activity is not on this list, it still attracts a lot of users. We need help testing these with the latest 8.2 image. We plan to make a release candidate today and if it passes smoke test we will add the activities and content to create a signed release candidate on Monday! Developers, Please reply with the final version and URL of each activity which we should include in the image. Each one must pass final test and have an active and reachable developer to make the final list. Morgan, can you make sure we have a contact e-mail and name on each of these? Also, let me know if you any of them are orphaned or not well maintained. All, Please test them all one more time let us know how it goes. I want to know if each of these passes the tests described here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Activities Please create a new test case for any activity that needs one. To do that, go to this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Form:Test_case and entering Tests/Activities/nameofactivity to create a new test case. Then choose activity from the drop down and you can just paste in the steps test from above for a start. Then you can add a test result by clicking on the + sign next to the test case (it takes a little while for them to show up after creation). You can also e-mail comments or test results back to this list. Thanks a lot for your help. Thanks, Greg S ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [Grassroots-l] G1G1 Pre-installed Activities Request for Help Testing
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These collections have been vetted and tested extensively and have a built-in community of support. They are learning-centric collections, but presumably, those G1G1 purchasers who are interested in other pursuits will run Fedora/GNOME or XP. That makes sense. Do we have any data on G1G1 favorites? Sameer -walter On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are your criteria? Are you ranking things by supportability and size? If so Ruler is a no-brainer. It's 20kb and is unlikely to break easily. On the other hand SimCity is hard to make drastic changes and still be called SimCity. It's currently buggy and has no active maintainer. I am curious about the criteria as well. This thread is expressive of a select few who bothered to reply (self selection bias) and as you can see each list is myopic from the poster's point of view. I've seen a lot of younger kids like tamtam mini mostly because of the cow, sheep, cat dog, duck etc. This is my opinion only though. I'd love to see if there is any data from the field on this. Sameer On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Thanks a lot for the input on which activities to ship! Here is the list of activities I will to management as my suggestion on what we ship. Please help test these! See the end of the e-mail for instructions. The list I recommend is essentially the G1G1 activities (kudos to the team who chose the first set!). In addition to those I list a few which got repeated votes (except Chess and Sudoku which are a concession to SJ ;-) Original G1G1 activities: Browse Read Write Paint Record TamTam Jam, Mini, on fence: Synthlab, Edit, Chat Pippy Etoys Turtle Art Calculate Measure Distance Memorize Terminal Log Analyze New ones: Help Implode Speak Maze SimCity Scratch Xaos StarChart Moon GCompris Chess GCompris Sudoku The only significant change from the original G1G1 set is the TamTam. I think we should include 2 not 4 so as not to over weight them against other activities. Let me know if anyone has comments on that (Jean can you live with that?). Not all of these are sure to make it. On the other hand it's very unlikely that anything else will make it. So if you have an urgent request or a specific concern please speak up now. Of course, anyone can download additional activities so even if an activity is not on this list, it still attracts a lot of users. We need help testing these with the latest 8.2 image. We plan to make a release candidate today and if it passes smoke test we will add the activities and content to create a signed release candidate on Monday! Developers, Please reply with the final version and URL of each activity which we should include in the image. Each one must pass final test and have an active and reachable developer to make the final list. Morgan, can you make sure we have a contact e-mail and name on each of these? Also, let me know if you any of them are orphaned or not well maintained. All, Please test them all one more time let us know how it goes. I want to know if each of these passes the tests described here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_cases_8.2.0#Activities Please create a new test case for any activity that needs one. To do that, go to this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Form:Test_case and entering Tests/Activities/nameofactivity to create a new test case. Then choose activity from the drop down and you can just paste in the steps test from above for a start. Then you can add a test result by clicking on the + sign next to the test case (it takes a little while for them to show up after creation). You can also e-mail comments or test results back to this list. Thanks a lot for your help. Thanks, Greg S ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Grassroots mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
