Re: [sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions
2008/3/3 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I now see that this was never given a ticket, but has been hidden in the HIG since the early days. I've opened ticket #6634 on the subject, generalizing it as a way for content providers to tag any bundle as appropriate. While we're talking about metadata in .info files, trac #4951 covers the 'update_url' field in .info which is used to update activities. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions
Eben Eliason schrieb: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while toying around with the Journal today I had two ideas about the anything and anytime filter functions: Both interesting ideas... anything: Apart from offering activities and file-types as filter-options I'm thinking that it might make sense to also offer an option for different subjects that kids will have at school. So things like Maths, English, whatever... My thought is that many activities will be started and resumed in a certain class-context and offering such a filter could help them to quickly find related matters. One of our fears here is the proliferation of options within this menu, which could eventually limit its usefulness, and is the reason we chose to limit to some primitive types and the installed activities. A common way to address this problem is to make the menu customizable with user-defined filters and the ability to remove unneeded filters (but keep the option to restore them later). Google mail is an example, where users can create their own tags and set filters to apply them automatically. Indeed. The implied hypothetical at the end of my response alluded to the fact the almost anything is possible, assuming you add additional UI/management tools, but we're trying to find a balance between functionality and management overhead. I'm using Gmail to write this, and their system does work pretty well, but naturally has an entire screen dedicated to both creating labels and assigning filters. We've also discussed the possibility of adding saved searches or the like (there are 15 names for this basic idea...) in the future, but there is a lot of basic functionality left to add before we add this form of meta-functionality. Perhaps the What list is the appropriate place for these saved filters to live, eventually. Thanks for offering that idea. I agree, adding those customized filters to the what category would make a lot of sense. - Eben The usual alternative is folders, as in Moodle. One can imagine that the subject of an activity is actually subjectively defined, and even when it's relatively clear, we might wind up with some for each of math, geometry, trigonometry, algebra, etc. To make a similar functionality available, though, we've chosen to allow developers to supply a list of tags within the .info file for any given activities, which could include several subject related words, as well as more abstract or general terms like game, simulation, or language. We hope that the ability to search by broad terms such as math or games will then turn up a list of appropriately related activities. Having just typed this and then reviewing the wiki, I notice that this part of the spec doesn't appear to be there yet! Can those familiar with this respond about the presence or absence of this capability? If this isn't there, it should get a ticket. It should be a pretty straightforward addition and simple to implement, it seems. Ahhh, that's indeed interesting, I hadn't been aware of this functionality before... Per Eben's question: Does anyone happen to know whether this is already implemented or not? anytime: Here it might make sense to add more informal filters such as 5 grado, 2nd semester or something along these lines. This one is actually much harder to do in a general way. We chose, on purpose, to treat time in the relative sense with respect to the Journal. Instead of seeing a story you wrote on November 28, 2007 you might find a story you wrote 3 months ago. This approach was chosen, in a sense, to internationalize (or perhaps simply generalize) the Journal with respect to time, so that school systems with widely different schedules (some might have class daily for one of every 3 months, for instance) can all take advantage of it. Of course one could also argue that such information could be explicitly added via the tags but I think a more implicit mechanism could potentially make more sense. You can see how, in the former case, the tag model is still implicit, in a sense, when installing an activity. In the latter case, I don't see any good way other than explicit tagging that doesn't have additional UI overhead/management to function. I'm open to ideas here. Mmmm, shouldn't it
Re: [sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can imagine that the subject of an activity is actually subjectively defined, and even when it's relatively clear, we might wind up with some for each of math, geometry, trigonometry, algebra, etc. To make a similar functionality available, though, we've chosen to allow developers to supply a list of tags within the .info file for any given activities, which could include several subject related words, as well as more abstract or general terms like game, simulation, or language. We hope that the ability to search by broad terms such as math or games will then turn up a list of appropriately related activities. Having just typed this and then reviewing the wiki, I notice that this part of the spec doesn't appear to be there yet! Can those familiar with this respond about the presence or absence of this capability? If this isn't there, it should get a ticket. It should be a pretty straightforward addition and simple to implement, it seems. Ahhh, that's indeed interesting, I hadn't been aware of this functionality before... Per Eben's question: Does anyone happen to know whether this is already implemented or not? Don't think that the implementation of this has been discussed before. Eben, can you enter a ticket pointing to a spec? Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions
while toying around with the Journal today I had two ideas about the anything and anytime filter functions: Both interesting ideas... anything: Apart from offering activities and file-types as filter-options I'm thinking that it might make sense to also offer an option for different subjects that kids will have at school. So things like Maths, English, whatever... My thought is that many activities will be started and resumed in a certain class-context and offering such a filter could help them to quickly find related matters. One of our fears here is the proliferation of options within this menu, which could eventually limit its usefulness, and is the reason we chose to limit to some primitive types and the installed activities. One can imagine that the subject of an activity is actually subjectively defined, and even when it's relatively clear, we might wind up with some for each of math, geometry, trigonometry, algebra, etc. To make a similar functionality available, though, we've chosen to allow developers to supply a list of tags within the .info file for any given activities, which could include several subject related words, as well as more abstract or general terms like game, simulation, or language. We hope that the ability to search by broad terms such as math or games will then turn up a list of appropriately related activities. Having just typed this and then reviewing the wiki, I notice that this part of the spec doesn't appear to be there yet! Can those familiar with this respond about the presence or absence of this capability? If this isn't there, it should get a ticket. It should be a pretty straightforward addition and simple to implement, it seems. anytime: Here it might make sense to add more informal filters such as 5 grado, 2nd semester or something along these lines. This one is actually much harder to do in a general way. We chose, on purpose, to treat time in the relative sense with respect to the Journal. Instead of seeing a story you wrote on November 28, 2007 you might find a story you wrote 3 months ago. This approach was chosen, in a sense, to internationalize (or perhaps simply generalize) the Journal with respect to time, so that school systems with widely different schedules (some might have class daily for one of every 3 months, for instance) can all take advantage of it. Of course one could also argue that such information could be explicitly added via the tags but I think a more implicit mechanism could potentially make more sense. You can see how, in the former case, the tag model is still implicit, in a sense, when installing an activity. In the latter case, I don't see any good way other than explicit tagging that doesn't have additional UI overhead/management to function. I'm open to ideas here. Thanks for your feedback! - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while toying around with the Journal today I had two ideas about the anything and anytime filter functions: Both interesting ideas... anything: Apart from offering activities and file-types as filter-options I'm thinking that it might make sense to also offer an option for different subjects that kids will have at school. So things like Maths, English, whatever... My thought is that many activities will be started and resumed in a certain class-context and offering such a filter could help them to quickly find related matters. One of our fears here is the proliferation of options within this menu, which could eventually limit its usefulness, and is the reason we chose to limit to some primitive types and the installed activities. A common way to address this problem is to make the menu customizable with user-defined filters and the ability to remove unneeded filters (but keep the option to restore them later). Google mail is an example, where users can create their own tags and set filters to apply them automatically. The usual alternative is folders, as in Moodle. One can imagine that the subject of an activity is actually subjectively defined, and even when it's relatively clear, we might wind up with some for each of math, geometry, trigonometry, algebra, etc. To make a similar functionality available, though, we've chosen to allow developers to supply a list of tags within the .info file for any given activities, which could include several subject related words, as well as more abstract or general terms like game, simulation, or language. We hope that the ability to search by broad terms such as math or games will then turn up a list of appropriately related activities. Having just typed this and then reviewing the wiki, I notice that this part of the spec doesn't appear to be there yet! Can those familiar with this respond about the presence or absence of this capability? If this isn't there, it should get a ticket. It should be a pretty straightforward addition and simple to implement, it seems. anytime: Here it might make sense to add more informal filters such as 5 grado, 2nd semester or something along these lines. This one is actually much harder to do in a general way. We chose, on purpose, to treat time in the relative sense with respect to the Journal. Instead of seeing a story you wrote on November 28, 2007 you might find a story you wrote 3 months ago. This approach was chosen, in a sense, to internationalize (or perhaps simply generalize) the Journal with respect to time, so that school systems with widely different schedules (some might have class daily for one of every 3 months, for instance) can all take advantage of it. Of course one could also argue that such information could be explicitly added via the tags but I think a more implicit mechanism could potentially make more sense. You can see how, in the former case, the tag model is still implicit, in a sense, when installing an activity. In the latter case, I don't see any good way other than explicit tagging that doesn't have additional UI overhead/management to function. I'm open to ideas here. Thanks for your feedback! - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.--Alan Kay ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Journal: two quick suggestions
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while toying around with the Journal today I had two ideas about the anything and anytime filter functions: Both interesting ideas... anything: Apart from offering activities and file-types as filter-options I'm thinking that it might make sense to also offer an option for different subjects that kids will have at school. So things like Maths, English, whatever... My thought is that many activities will be started and resumed in a certain class-context and offering such a filter could help them to quickly find related matters. One of our fears here is the proliferation of options within this menu, which could eventually limit its usefulness, and is the reason we chose to limit to some primitive types and the installed activities. A common way to address this problem is to make the menu customizable with user-defined filters and the ability to remove unneeded filters (but keep the option to restore them later). Google mail is an example, where users can create their own tags and set filters to apply them automatically. Indeed. The implied hypothetical at the end of my response alluded to the fact the almost anything is possible, assuming you add additional UI/management tools, but we're trying to find a balance between functionality and management overhead. I'm using Gmail to write this, and their system does work pretty well, but naturally has an entire screen dedicated to both creating labels and assigning filters. We've also discussed the possibility of adding saved searches or the like (there are 15 names for this basic idea...) in the future, but there is a lot of basic functionality left to add before we add this form of meta-functionality. Perhaps the What list is the appropriate place for these saved filters to live, eventually. Thanks for offering that idea. - Eben The usual alternative is folders, as in Moodle. One can imagine that the subject of an activity is actually subjectively defined, and even when it's relatively clear, we might wind up with some for each of math, geometry, trigonometry, algebra, etc. To make a similar functionality available, though, we've chosen to allow developers to supply a list of tags within the .info file for any given activities, which could include several subject related words, as well as more abstract or general terms like game, simulation, or language. We hope that the ability to search by broad terms such as math or games will then turn up a list of appropriately related activities. Having just typed this and then reviewing the wiki, I notice that this part of the spec doesn't appear to be there yet! Can those familiar with this respond about the presence or absence of this capability? If this isn't there, it should get a ticket. It should be a pretty straightforward addition and simple to implement, it seems. anytime: Here it might make sense to add more informal filters such as 5 grado, 2nd semester or something along these lines. This one is actually much harder to do in a general way. We chose, on purpose, to treat time in the relative sense with respect to the Journal. Instead of seeing a story you wrote on November 28, 2007 you might find a story you wrote 3 months ago. This approach was chosen, in a sense, to internationalize (or perhaps simply generalize) the Journal with respect to time, so that school systems with widely different schedules (some might have class daily for one of every 3 months, for instance) can all take advantage of it. Of course one could also argue that such information could be explicitly added via the tags but I think a more implicit mechanism could potentially make more sense. You can see how, in the former case, the tag model is still implicit, in a sense, when installing an activity. In the latter case, I don't see any good way other than explicit tagging that doesn't have additional UI overhead/management to function. I'm open to ideas here. Thanks for your feedback! - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.--Alan Kay ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
