[Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild error--compiles but fails to initialize
I'm going to keep on doing this every once in a while, but I'm not holding my breath. Fortunately, I can actually use the SoaS Beta in qemu. Ubuntu 9.04 $ ./sugar-jhbuild run [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! [config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection :1.307 is not allowed to own the service org.x.config.display100 due to security policies in the configuration file) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! (EE) XKB: No components provided for device Virtual core keyboard [config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection :1.307 is not allowed to own the service org.x.config.display100 due to security policies in the configuration file) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) unrecognised device identifier! (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2) 1241421571.333533 STARTUP: Starting the shell matchbox: keyboard does not appear to have a alt key. matchbox: ignoring key shortcut Altreturn=fullscreen /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/jarabe/desktop/meshbox.py:19: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead import sha /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/jarabe/desktop/keydialog.py:17: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead import md5 -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] The User experience/interface for Printing
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Andrés Ambrois andresambr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 03 May 2009 06:29:26 pm Albert Cahalan wrote: Vamsi Krishna Davuluri writes: The priority is on sending the docs to cups-pdf for conversion and then talking to Moodle for teacher review. It is a good idea to have the code that sends docs for printing (to Moodle, a local printer, or one discovered by avahi) in a reusable module that a /usr/bin/lpr script can use. Sending the docs to cups-pdf for conversion and then talking to Moodle for teacher review can be done via /usr/bin/lpr, eliminating the trouble of having multiple data paths. Adding a print dialog to every activity (e.g. Adding some gtkprint support in sugar-toolkit) should be optional for GSoC. First we should concentrate on getting entries printed, and getting teacher review right. Then we can move code around for legacy support and nice print me buttons. If you start with what you disdain as legacy support, then you can trivially test getting entries printed from the command line. The same goes for getting teacher review right. You could even test with the TuxPaint activity, using real kids. the teacher checks his print page in moodle, views the file (either through fancy javascript or a download) and approves/disapproves for printing. Kennedy then logs into his moodle print page and checks if the job was success or not, and if he has a comment from his teacher. I can barely imagine that happening in a real classroom. Try this: The student brings his XO to the teacher's desk, with his work shown on the screen. The teacher looks at the work, then lets the student plug his XO into a printer which sits on the teacher's desk. Printing resources can be very expensive for most schools, so the system should include a way for students to submit jobs to a queue and for an administrator to preview and approve or denie them. Tux Paint can rate limit a student's printing. For example, a setting of 60 will be once per minute. Do not forget that this issue is more social than technical. In addition to any discipline, the teacher can simply turn off the printer. This is advisable in any case; many printers use excessive power in standby. I dont see a teacher having a printer on her desk. Most schools here in Uruguay (and I dare say in Perú) don't even have printers. If there is one, it will be where the server/administration is. And possibly locked in a cage (like we have the servers now). So that scenario is going to be priority one. That sounds like a printer that students aren't allowed to use. Such a school might not need printing support at all. Teachers are unlikely to learn a complicated (probably slow too) interface for approving printer use. I just don't see it happening with regular normal everyday human teachers. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 06:26, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 nout...@paiwastoon.com.af wrote: After our first deployment here in Afghanistan, we had to reinstall a lot of laptops because students accidentally deleted most of their activities. I think this is a great example of why we need to make a no-regressions XO-1 build with 0.84. Among its many new features, 0.84 adds direct file transfer capability, which means that if you delete an activity, you can easily have a friend send it to you over the network. and with 0.86, and 0.88, ... ;) I know that Martin Dengler, Chris, Sebastian and Paul are working on some of what is required in their free time, but lots of help is still required. I'm particularly concerned about the kernel bits that aren't upstreamed yet. Also, pushing the mesh stuff into NM upstream should be quite low hanging fruit, anybody is willing to take this task? Sjoerd has a patch that is almost approved by Dan Williams, shouldn't take much finishing this up. In the meantime, if deployers of 0.82 like Paraguay, Uruguay, Afghanistan and Nepal wish to join forces and do a 8.2.2 build with the biggest deficiencies fixed, it may benefit a lot without much fuss being involved. Regards, Tomeu It is abundantly clear that OLPC is not going to do this work for us. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn+blsACgkQUJT6e6HFtqRWDQCfQP3J5gyNA8KXg3ea2wTb0Ll9 4sQAniO2WPqjD6s3UpyB23h/g0RyHQZQ =1OXc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] The User experience/interface for Printing
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds like a printer that students aren't allowed to use. Correct! But may be used seldom, as a special case, prize, etc. And teachers _are_ allowed to print -- while there's a good chance, the computers there are all or amost all XOs so this is quite relevant. Teachers are unlikely to learn a complicated (probably slow too) interface for approving printer use. Agreed, so if we keep it simple rather than complicated... cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [SoaS] New Snapshot Incoming!
Hi folks, there's another new snapshot ready! Here are the links: * For the Image: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200905031329.iso * For the Appliance: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas2-20090503.zip The appliance has undergone major changes, meaning that it might not work. Both are based on the current Rawhide state, which should be rather stable. Now this is important: Please test the activities. Recommend new ones you want to see on SoaS. Report issues to our trac instance. And please submit your hardware profile, following the instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware I'll post a more detailed e-mail with an overview of our plans for the upcoming release candidate soonish. Thanks and happy testing! --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu
2009/5/4 nout...@paiwastoon.com.af: I basically don't want students to be able to erase any activities. After our first deployment here in Afghanistan, we had to reinstall a lot of laptops because students accidentally deleted most of their activities. We see this lots in Paraguay too. We have solved it here by: 1. Using a .xo bundle to install /home/olpc/Activities/.groups pointing to http://schoolserver/activities see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update#Activity_groups 2. Importing all the activities into the XS activity server see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS-activity-server 3. Improving the in-school behaviour of the activity updater see http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9259 Then when the children delete activities, restoring them is just a few clicks...run the activity updater from the control panel and let it do it's thing. It is working well so far. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [KARMA] don't need an ide for js
I've used the Webkit inspector thing, it rivals firebug. Less features, though. I've always just used a text editor for JS work. I don't like IDEs in general. 2009/5/4 Felipe López Toledo zer.subz...@gmail.com: Hi Bryan i don't see myself using aptana or another special ide. firebug + emacs are a perfect fit. yes, you're right! my early reason to use aptana was fast coding through the html assistant, highlight and auto completion tool. one of the *good* things of aptana is the inclusion (choose) of the javascript library (dojo, jquery, mootols, etc).. but, I felt like slow using it.. I just ended using gedit / kate + firebug here is another tool like firebug (venkman from mozilla) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/ currently reading about it at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/venkman-walkthrough.html 2009/5/3 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org subzero, i am pretty darn blown away by how useful firebug is check out this tutorial http://www.evotech.net/blog/2007/06/introduction-to-firebug/ and the intro pages here: http://www.getfirebug.com i don't see myself using aptana or another special ide. firebug + emacs are a perfect fit. -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-108
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 01:29:37PM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 11:30:22AM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 06:04:06PM -0500, David Farning wrote: The conical source of information on activities _should_ be activities.download.org. What activities download page were you looking at? They should all be pointing to activities.sugarlabs.org. All activity information? Also branches? Even unofficial branches? When uploading a activity to activities.sugarlabs.org there is an entry to a Homepage. I would guess that the home page would be the source of at latest developer information. This gives users a very consistent download experience while directing developers to a more free form development space. I think we talk past each other. Sorry if this is obvious to everyone but me: Do activities.sugarlabs.org support multiple branches of each activity? Concrete example (which I suspect triggered this subthread): Unofficial Browse 102 for Sugar 0.82 is currently at http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/py-activities/Browse-102.xo but Tomeu suggested to use an official URL if more people would care about maintaining it. Ahh, sorry I misunderstood. Activities.sugarlabs.org does support multiple concurrent versions of an activity. This is how amo updates addons for the various versions of Firefox. I don't clearly understand how the system works. But it is possiable to set a specific activity version as working for a version of sugar. The current situation is: Every version of activity (http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/versions/4024) has a Sugar Compatible Applications field - its a SugarPlatform version So we could upload new Browse version for only 0.82 SP but where is a problem - it wouldn't prevent user from downloading last(which is only for 0.84) in 0.82 environment, moreover 0.82 user can see only 0.84 version and should click See All Versions to get the right .xo. Whith http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/824 fixed activities.sugarlabs.org could filter/suggest/etc the right version for users SP. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] The User experience/interface for Printing
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 04:44:33AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: Sending the docs to cups-pdf for conversion and then talking to Moodle for teacher review can be done via /usr/bin/lpr, But that would sidestep the Journal and prevent review of the actual output (i.e. what it looks like on paper, not on screen - that can be vastly different!) before printing. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] The User experience/interface for Printing
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 04:44:33AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: Sending the docs to cups-pdf for conversion and then talking to Moodle for teacher review can be done via /usr/bin/lpr, But that would sidestep the Journal and prevent review of the actual output (i.e. what it looks like on paper, not on screen - that can be vastly different!) before printing. It wouldn't have to. That could be how all activities put print jobs into the Journal. You are essentially using the Journal as client-side print queue, and Moodle as server-side print queue. You might as well use the normal (highly compatible) way to submit to a print queue. FYI, preview isn't going to be perfect anyway. PDF code can ask the printer for exact dimensions; this info is unavailable to the Read activity. It can be used for landscape/portrait rotation, scaling, or whatever. Some enterprising kid may even concoct a PDF that looks nice in Read, but offensive on paper. Getting your teacher to approve printing goatse is priceless. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] New Snapshot Incoming!
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: Hi folks, there's another new snapshot ready! Here are the links: * For the Image: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200905031329.iso * For the Appliance: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas2-20090503.zip The appliance has undergone major changes, meaning that it might not work. Both are based on the current Rawhide state, which should be rather stable. Now this is important: Please test the activities. Recommend new ones you want to see on SoaS. Report issues to our trac instance. And please submit your hardware profile, following the instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware I'll post a more detailed e-mail with an overview of our plans for the upcoming release candidate soonish. Thanks and happy testing! --Sebastian Tried the applicance. Boots OK in both VMWare Fusion 2.0.4 and VirtualBox 2.2.2 on my MacBookPro. Wanted to submit the corresponding harware profiles but smoltSendProfile does not seem to exist in the applicance (soas2-20090503.zip). Correct, or am I looking in the wrong place? Ton van Overbeek ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] New Snapshot Incoming!
Ton van Overbeek wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: Hi folks, there's another new snapshot ready! Here are the links: * For the Image: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200905031329.iso * For the Appliance: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas2-20090503.zip The appliance has undergone major changes, meaning that it might not work. Both are based on the current Rawhide state, which should be rather stable. Now this is important: Please test the activities. Recommend new ones you want to see on SoaS. Report issues to our trac instance. And please submit your hardware profile, following the instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware I'll post a more detailed e-mail with an overview of our plans for the upcoming release candidate soonish. Thanks and happy testing! --Sebastian Tried the applicance. Boots OK in both VMWare Fusion 2.0.4 and VirtualBox 2.2.2 on my MacBookPro. Wanted to submit the corresponding harware profiles but smoltSendProfile does not seem to exist in the applicance (soas2-20090503.zip). Correct, or am I looking in the wrong place? Ton van Overbeek Oh yeah, sorry! I accidentally forgot to include it in the appliance... 'yum install smolt' as root in the terminal should do the trick for now; I'll make sure to grab it for the next snapshot. Thanks for the heads-up, --Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] versus, not
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: ===Sugar Digest=== I encourage you to join two threads on the Education List this week: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-April/005382.html, which has boiled down to an instruction vs construction debate; and http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-April/005342.html, which has boiled down to a debate of catering to local culture vs the Enlightenment. I encourage you to join these discussions. Agree that these are important discussions Need to be careful about the use of the versus depiction of these discussions IMO, this tempting shorthand can create the wrong impression eg. I would see direct instruction as a must for autistic children but don't see that it follows as a general model for all education (special needs are special) or that we should even think it is possible to have a correct general model. I don't think there is one and good teachers swap between multiple models all the time. no one on this list has argued overtly against the enlightenment or that local culture ought not to be taken into account, eg. Ties said think practical, the response was of the nature that our context demands we do a certain course of action however, I do think the roll back of enlightenment principles is not well understood (http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/nonUniversals) and that a better understanding might persuade more people of the need to keep searching and struggling for different ways to go against some of the tide of local culture - there is a recent interesting comment thread on mark guzdial's blog which is worth reading from this point of view http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK3F4TMBURELZZK ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
