Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 05:39:35AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > Indeed this will be an issue if we give the release web a new face > and people start trying things out (a few perhaps) in initial > testing. Actually, no, it won't be an issue, because those people will ignore the collaboration features; they are very difficult to discover, and they won't have been prepared to expect them. They will assume that Browse and web sites give them all the collaboration functionality they need. The only activity on the release page that really requires collaboration to work is the Chat activity. All the others can be used alone. So rather than reflecting badly on Sugar, such people will blame Chat for not working. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>Thanks Samuel. > >So there is effort needed to port Sugar to the versions of Telepathy >in use in Fedora and whatever other distributions are used. > >I'm in favour of that. > + 1 & hope a SOaS (sos) call will get it back to its core functionality and uniqueness. Thank you all for the feedback. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>This keeps coming up. >I believe that due to changes in telepathy, collaboration (at least for >Jabber) has not worked for the past few Fedora releases. Not sure which version but in the past I did have some fun linking up XO-1 and SOAS for varied shared activities. Reliability was good enough at times. > >Given collaboration is supposed to be one of the core features of Sugar, >this makes it hard to promote. Indeed this will be an issue if we give the release web a new face and people start trying things out (a few perhaps) in initial testing. Cheers ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>So if you do not blank it out, but leave it as it is, and allow it to >connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org, everything works fine? > Did my last testing with conection to jabber.sugarlabs.org. Not able to get the shared activity to show/display to join and test. So things are really broken :-( ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
Thanks Samuel. So there is effort needed to port Sugar to the versions of Telepathy in use in Fedora and whatever other distributions are used. I'm in favour of that. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 01:03:38AM -0400, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > This keeps coming up. > > I believe that due to changes in telepathy, collaboration (at least > for Jabber) has not worked for the past few Fedora releases. > > Given collaboration is supposed to be one of the core features of > Sugar, this makes it hard to promote. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
This keeps coming up. I believe that due to changes in telepathy, collaboration (at least for Jabber) has not worked for the past few Fedora releases. Given collaboration is supposed to be one of the core features of Sugar, this makes it hard to promote. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:36 AM, James Cameron wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 04:11:45AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > > >Okay, and please bear with me; I don't have the data quota to download > > >SOAS images; but is the Server entry box in the Collaboration section > > >of the Network panel of the My Settings set or is it blank? > > > > It has the jabber.sugalabs.org and I have blank it out first for my > > testing. > > So if you do not blank it out, but leave it as it is, and allow it to > connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org, everything works fine? > > (When I do that on other than SOAS, there are many icons on > neighbourhood view. I'm able to invite the other non-XO to chat, and > it works fine.) > > If using jabber.sugarlabs.org works fine on SOAS, then this is not so > severe a problem. > > > I registered the two SOAS-22 with the schoolserver. Both shows in > > the neighbourhood BUT a shared activity will not show (it showed > > when it is not registered befroe) in the neighbourhood. I use 2 > > registered XO and the shared activities will show. The SOAS can join > > but will not work as in my previous setting. The XO collaboration > > works OK. > > Thanks. I agree it sounds like a problem specific to Fedora 22 or > SOAS. > > > >Okay, that's interesting. > > > > Ha .. you love interesting stuff to troubleshoot. Hope the issue get > > sorted out or we are losing a great feature. > > Peter would be able to tell us for sure, but my guess is that it won't > be fixed before this spin of SOAS is released. > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 04:11:45AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > >Okay, and please bear with me; I don't have the data quota to download > >SOAS images; but is the Server entry box in the Collaboration section > >of the Network panel of the My Settings set or is it blank? > > It has the jabber.sugalabs.org and I have blank it out first for my > testing. So if you do not blank it out, but leave it as it is, and allow it to connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org, everything works fine? (When I do that on other than SOAS, there are many icons on neighbourhood view. I'm able to invite the other non-XO to chat, and it works fine.) If using jabber.sugarlabs.org works fine on SOAS, then this is not so severe a problem. > I registered the two SOAS-22 with the schoolserver. Both shows in > the neighbourhood BUT a shared activity will not show (it showed > when it is not registered befroe) in the neighbourhood. I use 2 > registered XO and the shared activities will show. The SOAS can join > but will not work as in my previous setting. The XO collaboration > works OK. Thanks. I agree it sounds like a problem specific to Fedora 22 or SOAS. > >Okay, that's interesting. > > Ha .. you love interesting stuff to troubleshoot. Hope the issue get > sorted out or we are losing a great feature. Peter would be able to tell us for sure, but my guess is that it won't be fixed before this spin of SOAS is released. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>Okay, and please bear with me; I don't have the data quota to download >SOAS images; but is the Server entry box in the Collaboration section >of the Network panel of the My Settings set or is it blank? It has the jabber.sugalabs.org and I have blank it out first for my testing. I registered the two SOAS-22 with the schoolserver. Both shows in the neighbourhood BUT a shared activity will not show (it showed when it is not registered befroe) in the neighbourhood. I use 2 registered XO and the shared activities will show. The SOAS can join but will not work as in my previous setting. The XO collaboration works OK. >Okay, that's interesting. Ha .. you love interesting stuff to troubleshoot. Hope the issue get sorted out or we are losing a great feature. Cheers > >-- >James Cameron >http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 03:26:41AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > >Is this registered to the schoolserver? Or only connected to the AP? > > Only connected to the Schoolserver via the AP without registration. Okay, and please bear with me; I don't have the data quota to download SOAS images; but is the Server entry box in the Collaboration section of the Network panel of the My Settings set or is it blank? > >Did you see the person in neighbourhood view while using the AP? > > Yes they showed up together with any other activities shared by the > XO. Could join by the activities but not collaborate - for the > memorize the game do not load, for write it does not shared what is > typed. Okay, that's interesting. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 08:10:38PM -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote: > On 5/20/2015 6:52 PM, James Cameron wrote: > >Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or > >with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? > > > >Do the two SOAS share a network? > > > >Did previous SOAS work okay? > > > >Is there a ticket number? > > https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3629 maybe there are a lot of tickets Yeah, that one doesn't match. What I'm after are detailed problem descriptions; not a "it doesn't work, why don't you test it to prove me wrong", but rather what was tried, what the result was, and what the expectation was. One problem description for each of the three connection methods; with Jabber, without Jabber but with access point, and with ad-hoc. > I like the way you fixed the OLPC sugar Ubuntu! collaboration in > sugar 0.104 on jabber.sugarlabs.org Thanks, but we're talking about SOAS in this thread. > The fedora 22 RC-2 collaboration fails > Shared activities and collaboration has failed since about 0.98 in > fedora Thanks. (This is worrying. Collaboration is so fundamental and yet it has stayed broken for so long?) I don't think this relates to 0.98, because 0.98 works fine on other Fedora systems such as XO laptops. But that gives us a date range. Thomas, check your notes; did it work with a Fedora 18 SOAS? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
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Hi, My name is Utkarsh Dhawan,I am a Second Year Engineering student at Mumbai University.I am new to the open source community but have started developing a keen interest in it.I want to contribute to this community with a soul purpose of learning something out of it.This summer I would be working on the project *Web Confusion* under the mentoring of *Tony Anderson. *The project would be merged with the Interactive Javascript Shell and would aim at teaching the user Web Designing skills. Hoping to have a sugary experience. Thanking You, Utkarsh Dhawan (Developer/Student) Note:Please Consider The environment before printing. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>Is this registered to the schoolserver? Or only connected to the AP? Only connected to the Schoolserver via the AP without registration. >Did you see the person in neighbourhood view while using the AP? Yes they showed up together with any other activities shared by the XO. Could join by the activities but not collaborate - for the memorize the game do not load, for write it does not shared what is typed. Cheers ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On 5/20/2015 8:10 PM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 5/20/2015 6:52 PM, James Cameron wrote: Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? Do the two SOAS share a network? Did previous SOAS work okay? Is there a ticket number? I like the way you fixed the OLPC sugar Ubuntu! collaboration in sugar 0.104 on jabber.sugarlabs.org [1] The fedora 22 RC-2 collaboration fails [2] Shared activities and collaboration has failed since about 0.98 in fedora [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/olpc-ubuntu-sugar-14.04.2-desktop-amd64-1432093697.iso [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Final_RC2_Desktop#Release-blocking_desktops:_x86_.2F_x86_64 Tom Gilliard satellit https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3629 maybe there are a lot of tickets ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 03:10:17AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > I tested the 2 SOAS-22 via a connection to the schoolserver AP. Is this registered to the schoolserver? Or only connected to the AP? > In Adhoc network connection I could not see the other person in > neighbourhood view. Did you see the person in neighbourhood view while using the AP? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On 5/20/2015 6:52 PM, James Cameron wrote: Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? Do the two SOAS share a network? Did previous SOAS work okay? Is there a ticket number? I like the way you fixed the OLPC sugar Ubuntu! collaboration in sugar 0.104 on jabber.sugarlabs.org [1] The fedora 22 RC-2 collaboration fails [2] Shared activities and collaboration has failed since about 0.98 in fedora [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/olpc-ubuntu-sugar-14.04.2-desktop-amd64-1432093697.iso [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Final_RC2_Desktop#Release-blocking_desktops:_x86_.2F_x86_64 Tom Gilliard satellit ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
I tested the 2 SOAS-22 via a connection to the schoolserver AP. Collaboration works normally between XOs-1 running 13.2.4. In Adhoc network connection I could not see the other person in neighbourhood view. I think collaboration work on SOAS-17 and below as I alway try to see if the SOAS would work with XOs by testing maze, write, etc. >-Original Message- >From: tkk...@nurturingasia.com [mailto:tkk...@nurturingasia.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 09:32 AM >To: pbrobin...@gmail.com, sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >Subject: SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities > >With SOAS Fedora 22 coming to the stage of final release I would like to know >if we can expect the collaboative features of Sugar to be functioning. > >I tried Memorize, Maze and Write with two SOAS and it did not work. Have >reported this issue before. > >Cheers > > >--- >T.K. Kang > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? Do the two SOAS share a network? Did previous SOAS work okay? Is there a ticket number? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
With SOAS Fedora 22 coming to the stage of final release I would like to know if we can expect the collaboative features of Sugar to be functioning. I tried Memorize, Maze and Write with two SOAS and it did not work. Have reported this issue before. Cheers --- T.K. Kang ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:43:23AM -0300, Gustavo Duarte wrote: > Notificator: There is a Sugar Activity who shows Notification messages > for the kid. > > Daemon: There is an script running on cron, who get new notification > from a Server. > > I need communicate the Daemon with the Notificator, so when Daemon > receive a new notification from Server, it'll send a signal to > Notificator. > > Notificator when receive the signal, should refresh a widget. > > I know a way to do that, using system signals, but i wonder if Sugar > has another way to achieve that. What you describe is interprocess communication. Sugar uses several methods for communication with system daemons. The most frequently coded is D-Bus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus Other methods in Python are https://docs.python.org/2/library/ipc.html You can use files, as Gonzalo says, but try to place them in a path that does not cause writes to disk; e.g. /tmp ... otherwise sometimes the kernel will reschedule the process that is writing, and this can slow performance. My preference for your scenario is signals: 1. Notificator calls os.getpid and writes to /tmp/notificator.pid 2. Notificator calls signal.signal to request a callback on SIGUSR1, 3. Daemon reads /tmp/notificator.pid and calls os.kill(pid, SIGUSR1), kill(1), or kill(3) to send signal. An example here: http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/runin/tree/runin-gtk Signals become more complex if the communication is complex, and there are a limited number of different signals. That's when I would suggest D-Bus. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Image Viewer-62
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4032 Sugar Platform: 0.98 - 0.104 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/29112/image_viewer-62.xo Release notes: Use object chooser with preview if available Restart a instance without a file should show the emptypanel Added Ctrl+q Shortcut - Fixes #4856 (rohitsakala) Change order of toolbar - Fixes #3352 (Ignacio Rodríguez) Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > Thanks Peter, I was watching that too. > > If I understand correctly switching/changing the sections or adding an > Activity is beyond tweaks? while text changes are tweaks. We need to stop somewhere and say "Yes, this is good enough" and I really don't have the time to deal with more updates. It's easy to keep changing the room around when you don't have to do the work. Feel free to suggest changes, but don't be offended if they don't happen :) There were some Activities that were being suggested that we don't even have packaged in Fedora eg here is Develop, I'd never even heard of that. Ultimately the people making suggestions should actually download and see what is there on what we ship :-) > I'm quite happy with it, even though there are lots of changes we suggested > which aren't in. > > I feel the only tweak still to make is to add under the Journal: > The Journal provides an interface into a datastore of everything you've > created in Sugar. Bookmarking and commenting tools integrate with the > Journal to allow parents and teachers to review a child's learning progress. > > The Journal is central to the Sugar experience and we rightly call it out in > the Intro, but I feel the description under it is too brief. I've pushed that change in. > Thanks again for making all this happen. No problems, I think both the actual SoaS 22 and the new site look really good together! > Sean > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Peter Robinson > wrote: >> >> >>> >> >>> _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. >> >>> >> >> Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice. >> >> >> > >> > I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live >> > on staging shortly. >> > >> > Please provide any further updates against that. >> >> Right the new updated content is live on staging. Please shift+reload >> to ensure you have the latest revision. Section titles updated etc. >> >> http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ >> >> Please provide updates against that in a email without html >> formatting. Pure text in an email. >> >> We have basically today to get the last tweaks in and then it's done. >> >> Thanks, >> Peter >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
Thanks Gonzalo. Because, the kind of messages to showing are html. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > The notificator can write the notification to a file, > and the activity can use Gio.FileMonitor to know when the file was updated. > > Just for curiosity, why not use the Sugar notifications? > > Gonzalo > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Gustavo Duarte > wrote: >> >> Hi Gonzalo, >> >> Sure, I'll try explain the user case. >> >> Notificator: There is a Sugar Activity who shows Notification messages >> for the kid. >> >> Daemon: There is an script running on cron, who get new notification >> from a Server. >> >> I need communicate the Daemon with the Notificator, so when Daemon >> receive a new notification from Server, it'll send a signal to >> Notificator. >> >> Notificator when receive the signal, should refresh a widget. >> >> >> I know a way to do that, using system signals, but i wonder if Sugar >> has another way to achieve that. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Gonzalo Odiard >> wrote: >> > Hi Gustavo, >> > I think would help if you explain the specific use case. >> > The activity who will receive the message is a specific activity, >> > and you will send it from a script or service? >> > Can the activity just monitor a file or something like that? >> > >> > Gonzalo >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Gustavo Duarte >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Walter, >> >> >> >> There are two different activities, and the communication could be >> >> asynchronous. >> >> >> >> I not sure, if the the comment bellow, can confuse you, if yes, >> >> please forget that. >> >> >> >> The process who send the message, could be just a script, isn't >> >> needed it be an Activity. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Walter Bender >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Gustavo, >> >> > >> >> > Are they two instances of the same activity or two different >> >> > activities? >> >> > Is >> >> > the communication synchronous or asynchronous? >> >> > >> >> > -walter >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gustavo Duarte >> >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> James, >> >> >> >> >> >> I should be more specific, sorry, in my case, the two Activities are >> >> >> on the same computer. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sam, >> >> >> >> >> >> Are a thread about this, already ? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gustavo >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Sam P. >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Hi James, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Is this meant to be a reply to an existing thread? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> >> > Sam >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM James Cameron >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Are the two activities on: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - separate computers, or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - the same computer? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If the two activities are on separate computers, do they have the >> >> >> >> same >> >> >> >> bundle id? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If the two activities are on the same computer, do they share the >> >> >> >> same >> >> >> >> display? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> James Cameron >> >> >> >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ___ >> >> >> > Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> >> > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> >> > >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Walter Bender >> >> > Sugar Labs >> >> > http://www.sugarlabs.org >> >> ___ >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Gonzalo Odiard >> > >> > SugarLabs - Software for children learning >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > -- > Gonzalo Odiard > > SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
Thanks Peter, I was watching that too. If I understand correctly switching/changing the sections or adding an Activity is beyond tweaks? while text changes are tweaks. I'm quite happy with it, even though there are lots of changes we suggested which aren't in. I feel the only tweak still to make is to add under the Journal: The Journal provides an interface into a datastore of everything you've created in Sugar. Bookmarking and commenting tools integrate with the Journal to allow parents and teachers to review a child's learning progress. The Journal is central to the Sugar experience and we rightly call it out in the Intro, but I feel the description under it is too brief. Thanks again for making all this happen. Sean On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> > >>> _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. > >>> > >> Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice. > >> > > > > I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live > > on staging shortly. > > > > Please provide any further updates against that. > > Right the new updated content is live on staging. Please shift+reload > to ensure you have the latest revision. Section titles updated etc. > > http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ > > Please provide updates against that in a email without html > formatting. Pure text in an email. > > We have basically today to get the last tweaks in and then it's done. > > Thanks, > Peter > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
The notificator can write the notification to a file, and the activity can use Gio.FileMonitor to know when the file was updated. Just for curiosity, why not use the Sugar notifications? Gonzalo On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Gustavo Duarte wrote: > Hi Gonzalo, > > Sure, I'll try explain the user case. > > Notificator: There is a Sugar Activity who shows Notification messages > for the kid. > > Daemon: There is an script running on cron, who get new notification > from a Server. > > I need communicate the Daemon with the Notificator, so when Daemon > receive a new notification from Server, it'll send a signal to > Notificator. > > Notificator when receive the signal, should refresh a widget. > > > I know a way to do that, using system signals, but i wonder if Sugar > has another way to achieve that. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Gonzalo Odiard > wrote: > > Hi Gustavo, > > I think would help if you explain the specific use case. > > The activity who will receive the message is a specific activity, > > and you will send it from a script or service? > > Can the activity just monitor a file or something like that? > > > > Gonzalo > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Gustavo Duarte > > wrote: > >> > >> Walter, > >> > >> There are two different activities, and the communication could be > >> asynchronous. > >> > >> I not sure, if the the comment bellow, can confuse you, if yes, > >> please forget that. > >> > >> The process who send the message, could be just a script, isn't > >> needed it be an Activity. > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Walter Bender > > >> wrote: > >> > Gustavo, > >> > > >> > Are they two instances of the same activity or two different > activities? > >> > Is > >> > the communication synchronous or asynchronous? > >> > > >> > -walter > >> > > >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gustavo Duarte > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> James, > >> >> > >> >> I should be more specific, sorry, in my case, the two Activities are > >> >> on the same computer. > >> >> > >> >> Sam, > >> >> > >> >> Are a thread about this, already ? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks. > >> >> > >> >> Gustavo > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Sam P. > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Hi James, > >> >> > > >> >> > Is this meant to be a reply to an existing thread? > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> > Sam > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM James Cameron > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Are the two activities on: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> - separate computers, or > >> >> >> > >> >> >> - the same computer? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If the two activities are on separate computers, do they have the > >> >> >> same > >> >> >> bundle id? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If the two activities are on the same computer, do they share the > >> >> >> same > >> >> >> display? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> James Cameron > >> >> >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > >> >> >> ___ > >> >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ___ > >> >> > Sugar-devel mailing list > >> >> > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> >> > > >> >> ___ > >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Walter Bender > >> > Sugar Labs > >> > http://www.sugarlabs.org > >> ___ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gonzalo Odiard > > > > SugarLabs - Software for children learning > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcing] UNSTABLE 0.105.1 (feature frozen)
Good work! I forwarded to iaep mailing list. Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:51 PM, German Ruiz - FundacionZT < gr...@fundacionzt.org> wrote: > 2015-05-19 14:35 GMT-06:00 Martin Abente : > > Many thanks German! > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:25 PM, German Ruiz - FundacionZT > > wrote: > >> > >> 2015-05-18 7:45 GMT-06:00 Martin Abente >: > >> > Hello everyone, > >> > > >> > I am pleased to announce a new release of our "road to 0.106" > >> > development > >> > cycle. This release marks the end of the period for including new > >> > features > >> > [1], from now on, we will focus on stability, translations and > improving > >> > existing features. For those interested in testing and/or packaging I > >> > recommend to look at the new merged features [2]. > >> > > >> > Tarballs: > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.105.1.tar.xz > >> > > >> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.105.1.tar.xz > >> > > >> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.105.1.tar.xz > >> > > >> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.105.1.tar.xz > >> > > >> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-runner/sugar-runner-0.105.1.tar.xz > >> > > >> > > >> > Many thanks to the developers who contributed this release! > >> > > >> > Martin. > >> > > >> > Refs: > >> > 1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.106/Roadmap > >> > 2. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.106/Feature_List > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list > >> > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> > > >> > >> Hello Sugar community > >> > >> For those who want to test this version on sugar on XO1 and 1.5, you > >> can follow instructions detailed here > >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.106/Testing > >> > >> Regards > > > > > Images for XO's with Sugar-0.105.1, please test it :) > > = XO1 = > http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/1/32002SL0.img > http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/1/32002SL0.crc > http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/1/32002SL0.img.md5 > > = XO1.5 = > http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/15/32002SL1.zd > http://dev.laptop.org/~german/SL0105/15/32002SL1.zd.md5 > > = XO1.75 = > Coming soon! > > = XO4 = > Coming soon! > > I've built with olpc-os-builder v7.0 > > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.106/Testing#Testing_with_a_XO_.28XO_Images.29 > > -- > German R > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
Hi Gonzalo, Sure, I'll try explain the user case. Notificator: There is a Sugar Activity who shows Notification messages for the kid. Daemon: There is an script running on cron, who get new notification from a Server. I need communicate the Daemon with the Notificator, so when Daemon receive a new notification from Server, it'll send a signal to Notificator. Notificator when receive the signal, should refresh a widget. I know a way to do that, using system signals, but i wonder if Sugar has another way to achieve that. Thanks. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > Hi Gustavo, > I think would help if you explain the specific use case. > The activity who will receive the message is a specific activity, > and you will send it from a script or service? > Can the activity just monitor a file or something like that? > > Gonzalo > > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Gustavo Duarte > wrote: >> >> Walter, >> >> There are two different activities, and the communication could be >> asynchronous. >> >> I not sure, if the the comment bellow, can confuse you, if yes, >> please forget that. >> >> The process who send the message, could be just a script, isn't >> needed it be an Activity. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Walter Bender >> wrote: >> > Gustavo, >> > >> > Are they two instances of the same activity or two different activities? >> > Is >> > the communication synchronous or asynchronous? >> > >> > -walter >> > >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gustavo Duarte >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> James, >> >> >> >> I should be more specific, sorry, in my case, the two Activities are >> >> on the same computer. >> >> >> >> Sam, >> >> >> >> Are a thread about this, already ? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Gustavo >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Sam P. >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi James, >> >> > >> >> > Is this meant to be a reply to an existing thread? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Sam >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM James Cameron >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Are the two activities on: >> >> >> >> >> >> - separate computers, or >> >> >> >> >> >> - the same computer? >> >> >> >> >> >> If the two activities are on separate computers, do they have the >> >> >> same >> >> >> bundle id? >> >> >> >> >> >> If the two activities are on the same computer, do they share the >> >> >> same >> >> >> display? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> James Cameron >> >> >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > >> >> ___ >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Walter Bender >> > Sugar Labs >> > http://www.sugarlabs.org >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > -- > Gonzalo Odiard > > SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
>>> >>> _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. >>> >> Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice. >> > > I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live > on staging shortly. > > Please provide any further updates against that. Right the new updated content is live on staging. Please shift+reload to ensure you have the latest revision. Section titles updated etc. http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ Please provide updates against that in a email without html formatting. Pure text in an email. We have basically today to get the last tweaks in and then it's done. Thanks, Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] The new kid on the block
Welcome VIbhor, Use this mailing list to ask any technical question I don't know if you already have a working Sugar environment, but you can found more information in developer.sugarlabs.org Gonzalo On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Sam P. wrote: > Hello, > > > It is great to see more people becoming engaged with Sugar! > > I'm not sure what this google group is, however, we already have many > mailing lists [1]. Please consider using an existing mailing list as we > should not aim for a fragmented community. > > Thanks, > Sam > > [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/ > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 1:26 AM Vibhor Sehgal > wrote: > >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I am Vibhor Sehgal , a student from India. I am new to this list ! >> I heard about SugarLabs through Google Summer of Code and wanted to >> contribute to the community as a summer of code intern which was definitely >> a selfish motive.I worked on the project Web Confusion which is being >> mentored by Tony Anderson, but i wasn't selected for Summer of code 2015. >> >> However, Tony gave me a chance to work as a volunteer on this project >> during the summer. I got so attached to this community and my mentor, who >> is indeed very supportive that i couldn't refuse the offer. So, I and a >> group of few more developers are working on the project Web Confusion which >> basically will teach students about the web technologies like Html, Css and >> Javascript. >> >> I have created a small google group also,so that each and everybody can >> stay up to date. We'd love to add more people to the group. Also, I have >> created a mock activity which I will be hosting soon on Github. >> >> Feels Great! >> Thanks! >> -- >> Vibhor Sehgal >> 'Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.' >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
Hi Gustavo, I think would help if you explain the specific use case. The activity who will receive the message is a specific activity, and you will send it from a script or service? Can the activity just monitor a file or something like that? Gonzalo On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Gustavo Duarte wrote: > Walter, > > There are two different activities, and the communication could be > asynchronous. > > I not sure, if the the comment bellow, can confuse you, if yes, > please forget that. > > The process who send the message, could be just a script, isn't > needed it be an Activity. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Walter Bender > wrote: > > Gustavo, > > > > Are they two instances of the same activity or two different activities? > Is > > the communication synchronous or asynchronous? > > > > -walter > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gustavo Duarte > > wrote: > >> > >> James, > >> > >> I should be more specific, sorry, in my case, the two Activities are > >> on the same computer. > >> > >> Sam, > >> > >> Are a thread about this, already ? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Gustavo > >> > >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Sam P. > wrote: > >> > Hi James, > >> > > >> > Is this meant to be a reply to an existing thread? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Sam > >> > > >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM James Cameron > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Are the two activities on: > >> >> > >> >> - separate computers, or > >> >> > >> >> - the same computer? > >> >> > >> >> If the two activities are on separate computers, do they have the > same > >> >> bundle id? > >> >> > >> >> If the two activities are on the same computer, do they share the > same > >> >> display? > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> James Cameron > >> >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > >> >> ___ > >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list > >> > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> > > >> ___ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Walter Bender > > Sugar Labs > > http://www.sugarlabs.org > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Software for children learning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
Walter, There are two different activities, and the communication could be asynchronous. I not sure, if the the comment bellow, can confuse you, if yes, please forget that. The process who send the message, could be just a script, isn't needed it be an Activity. Thanks. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > Gustavo, > > Are they two instances of the same activity or two different activities? Is > the communication synchronous or asynchronous? > > -walter > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gustavo Duarte > wrote: >> >> James, >> >> I should be more specific, sorry, in my case, the two Activities are >> on the same computer. >> >> Sam, >> >> Are a thread about this, already ? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Gustavo >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Sam P. wrote: >> > Hi James, >> > >> > Is this meant to be a reply to an existing thread? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Sam >> > >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM James Cameron wrote: >> >> >> >> Are the two activities on: >> >> >> >> - separate computers, or >> >> >> >> - the same computer? >> >> >> >> If the two activities are on separate computers, do they have the same >> >> bundle id? >> >> >> >> If the two activities are on the same computer, do they share the same >> >> display? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> James Cameron >> >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ >> >> ___ >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Sugar-devel mailing list >> > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 79, Issue 51
Hi, Sam As part of GSOC, I am mentoring the Interactive Javascript Project and have four candidates for the unfunded Web Confusion project who have volunteered to continue in support of the community. Since the two projects are closely related and since there are five people involved plus me, I have had the group set up to allow the project participants to communicate. I don't think this level of detail is appropriate for a general list. Of course, anyone who wants to get involved as mentor or contributor is welcome to join. Tony On 05/20/2015 01:52 AM, sugar-devel-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org wrote: From: "Sam P." To: Vibhor Sehgal, sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] The new kid on the block Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello, It is great to see more people becoming engaged with Sugar! I'm not sure what this google group is, however, we already have many mailing lists [1]. Please consider using an existing mailing list as we should not aim for a fragmented community. Thanks, Sam ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
Gustavo, Are they two instances of the same activity or two different activities? Is the communication synchronous or asynchronous? -walter On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gustavo Duarte wrote: > James, > > I should be more specific, sorry, in my case, the two Activities are > on the same computer. > > Sam, > > Are a thread about this, already ? > > Thanks. > > Gustavo > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Sam P. wrote: > > Hi James, > > > > Is this meant to be a reply to an existing thread? > > > > Thanks, > > Sam > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM James Cameron wrote: > >> > >> Are the two activities on: > >> > >> - separate computers, or > >> > >> - the same computer? > >> > >> If the two activities are on separate computers, do they have the same > >> bundle id? > >> > >> If the two activities are on the same computer, do they share the same > >> display? > >> > >> -- > >> James Cameron > >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > >> ___ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > ___ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
James, I should be more specific, sorry, in my case, the two Activities are on the same computer. Sam, Are a thread about this, already ? Thanks. Gustavo On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Sam P. wrote: > Hi James, > > Is this meant to be a reply to an existing thread? > > Thanks, > Sam > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM James Cameron wrote: >> >> Are the two activities on: >> >> - separate computers, or >> >> - the same computer? >> >> If the two activities are on separate computers, do they have the same >> bundle id? >> >> If the two activities are on the same computer, do they share the same >> display? >> >> -- >> James Cameron >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 11:39 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>> Iain, Sean, Sam,
>>
>>
>> _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_.
>>
> Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice.
>
I've just spent two hours manually providing updates. It will be live
on staging shortly.
Please provide any further updates against that.
> My apologies to the other contributors, Sam, Walter and Sean for
> clouding their perfectly useful work.
>
> The text that I have called the "Walter/Sam contribution" is on this
> thread.
>
> Sean's "improved" text reads:
>
> #-#
>
> Sugar on a Stick is a Fedora-based operating system featuring the
> award-winning Sugar Learning Platform and designed to fit on an ordinary
> USB thumbdrive ("stick").
>
> Sugar sets aside the traditional "office-desktop" metaphor, presenting a
> child-friendly simple graphical environment. Sugar automatically saves
> the child's progress to a "Journal" on your stick, so teachers and
> parents can easily pull up "all collaborative web browsing sessions done
> in the past week" or "papers written with Daniel and Sarah in the last
> 24 hours" with a simple query rather than memorizing complex file/folder
> structures. Applications in Sugar are known as Activities, some of which
> are described below.
>
> It is now deployable for the cost of a stick rather than a laptop;
> students can take their Sugar on a Stick thumbdrive to any machine - at
> school, at home, at a library or community center - and boot their
> customized computing environment without touching the host machine's
> hard disk or existing system at all.
>
> #-#
>
> I feel that this is the limit of my ability to achieve consensus.
>
> I have a plain text copy of the above two elements plus Sean's
> proof_reading_corrections, if it is required.
>
> Iain
>
>> Peter,
>> when need this be finished?
>>
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson
>> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
>> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> >> > Hi Peter,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Fair copy attached.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I originally included the section "Multimedia", as
>> it is the set of
>> >> >> >> > Activities in
>> http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
>> >> >> >> > but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit
>> on the page, as
>> >> >> >> > "Chat" is used in the "Spins page template" to
>> refer to IRC.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core
>> set (due to non-free
>> >> >> >> > components?).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a
>> number of free
>> >> >> >> codecs that come as standard.
>> >> > Thanks, Peter, for the correction.
>> >> >
>> >> > So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox,
>> Record, Imageviewer
>> >> > you feel should remain?
>> >>
>> >> I really don't care what it's called but those three are
>> staying,
>> >> right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos,
>> listen to
>> >> music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly
>> bothered.
>> >>
>> >> >> Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
>> >> >> >> actually test it and see what's there!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should
>> be deleted.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Not going to happen. This isn't time for
>> bikeshedding, it's time for
>> >> >> >> tweaking the content as it stands.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The
>> headers on the page are
>> >> >> > not very relevant to an education focused desktop
>> environment - they are
>> >> >> > headers for a traditional dekstop environment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was talking about "Multimedia as it stands should be
>> deleted" so I
>> >> >> have no idea why you're talking about the header names.
>> I have stated
>> >> >> before the header names need to be updated. I'm still
>> awaiting what
>> >> >> they should be updated to.
>> >> >
>> >> > ... awaiting?
>> >> >
>>
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Final Release Compose 1 (RC1) Available Now!
Hi All, We're in the last stretch so we're now down to critical fixes. Please test and let me know ASAP. Peter https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_RC1/Images/armhfp/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-22-1-sda.raw.xz https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_RC1/Live/x86_64/Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-22-1.iso https://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/22_RC1/Live/i386/Fedora-Live-SoaS-i686-22-1.iso -- Forwarded message -- From: Petr Schindler Date: Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:44 AM Subject: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Final Release Compose 1 (RC1) Available Now! To: test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora 22 Final Release Compose 1 (RC1) is now available for testing. Please help us complete as much of the validation testing as we can! This is first release compose so everything should be tested properly. Content information, including changes, can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6166#comment:9 . Please see the following pages for download links and testing instructions. Normally dl.fedoraproject.org should provide the fastest download, but download- ib01.fedoraproject.org is available as a mirror (with an approximately 1 hour lag) in case of trouble. To use it, just replace "dl" with "download-ib01" in the download URL. Installation: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test Base: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test Workstation and Desktop: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test Server: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Server_Test Cloud: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Cloud_Test Summary: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary All non-Optional test cases for each of these test pages [2] must pass in order to meet the Final Release Criteria [3]. Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the test list [5]. Create Fedora 22 Final test compose (TC) and release candidate (RC) https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/6166 Current Blocker and Freeze Exception bugs: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current Fedora 22 QA schedule: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-22/f-22-quality-tasks.html [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Final_Release_Criteria [4] irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora-qa [5] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test ___ test-announce mailing list test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test-announce -- test mailing list t...@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Communication between two Activities
Hi James, Is this meant to be a reply to an existing thread? Thanks, Sam On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM James Cameron wrote: > Are the two activities on: > > - separate computers, or > > - the same computer? > > If the two activities are on separate computers, do they have the same > bundle id? > > If the two activities are on the same computer, do they share the same > display? > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 11:39 -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
> Iain, Sean, Sam,
>
>
> _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_.
>
Thanks, Gonzalo, is good advice.
My apologies to the other contributors, Sam, Walter and Sean for
clouding their perfectly useful work.
The text that I have called the "Walter/Sam contribution" is on this
thread.
Sean's "improved" text reads:
#-#
Sugar on a Stick is a Fedora-based operating system featuring the
award-winning Sugar Learning Platform and designed to fit on an ordinary
USB thumbdrive ("stick").
Sugar sets aside the traditional "office-desktop" metaphor, presenting a
child-friendly simple graphical environment. Sugar automatically saves
the child's progress to a "Journal" on your stick, so teachers and
parents can easily pull up "all collaborative web browsing sessions done
in the past week" or "papers written with Daniel and Sarah in the last
24 hours" with a simple query rather than memorizing complex file/folder
structures. Applications in Sugar are known as Activities, some of which
are described below.
It is now deployable for the cost of a stick rather than a laptop;
students can take their Sugar on a Stick thumbdrive to any machine - at
school, at home, at a library or community center - and boot their
customized computing environment without touching the host machine's
hard disk or existing system at all.
#-#
I feel that this is the limit of my ability to achieve consensus.
I have a plain text copy of the above two elements plus Sean's
proof_reading_corrections, if it is required.
Iain
> Peter,
> when need this be finished?
>
>
> Gonzalo
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson
> wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> >> > Hi Peter,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson
> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Fair copy attached.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I originally included the section "Multimedia", as
> it is the set of
> >> >> >> > Activities in
> http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
> >> >> >> > but not in the Walter/Sam contribution.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit
> on the page, as
> >> >> >> > "Chat" is used in the "Spins page template" to
> refer to IRC.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core
> set (due to non-free
> >> >> >> > components?).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a
> number of free
> >> >> >> codecs that come as standard.
> >> > Thanks, Peter, for the correction.
> >> >
> >> > So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox,
> Record, Imageviewer
> >> > you feel should remain?
> >>
> >> I really don't care what it's called but those three are
> staying,
> >> right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos,
> listen to
> >> music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly
> bothered.
> >>
> >> >> Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and
> >> >> >> actually test it and see what's there!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should
> be deleted.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Not going to happen. This isn't time for
> bikeshedding, it's time for
> >> >> >> tweaking the content as it stands.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The
> headers on the page are
> >> >> > not very relevant to an education focused desktop
> environment - they are
> >> >> > headers for a traditional dekstop environment.
> >> >>
> >> >> I was talking about "Multimedia as it stands should be
> deleted" so I
> >> >> have no idea why you're talking about the header names.
> I have stated
> >> >> before the header names need to be updated. I'm still
> awaiting what
> >> >> they should be updated to.
> >> >
> >> > ... awaiting?
> >> >
> >> > Understanding and creating content
> >> > Learning by doing
> >> > Getting technical
> >> > Exploring the wider world
> >> > Multimedia
> >> > Reflection on what you've learned
> >> >
> >> > is from earlier contributions and both my attachmen
Re: [Sugar-devel] f22-spins page is being written and needs suggestions
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > ah that's great Peter we just need these small changes then: > > * add this phrase to the start of the "Sugar automatically saves" paragraph: > Sugar sets aside the traditional “office-desktop” metaphor, presenting a > child-friendly simple graphical environment. Added, I've dropped the simple so it's just " child-friendly graphical environment" > * replace "Sugar automatically saves your progress" with "Sugar > automatically saves the child's progress" NAK, it your is fine, it could be a child reading it as well. > * add at the end of that graf "Applications in Sugar are known as > Activities, some of which are described below." > > * Inverse the second and third grafs - describe Sugar first, then the > specific advantages of the Soas spin. Done. Should be there in a couple of hours > many thanks > Sean > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Peter Robinson > wrote: >> >> See the post I just sent to the list less than a hour ago :-) >> >> Thanks Sean, >> >> Peter >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Sean DALY wrote: >> > Hi Tom, Gonzalo had mentioned this, I have a rewrite of the introduction >> > in >> > the works and Sam's Activity texts are good. The main issue is >> > explaining >> > that SOAS Desktop is not a desktop (!) >> > >> > Peter is coordinating on the Fedora side. >> > Sean >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Thomas Gilliard >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Please Help >> >> f22 get fedora spins page is being written and needs suggestions >> >> >> >> robyduck on #fedora-qa needs sugar writeup of spins page on fedora for >> >> f22: >> >> he has thi text: >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2015-May/017396.html >> >> >> >> I sent him 2 screenshots yesterday >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar-Home_.png >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Screenshot_of_Mesh_1.png >> >> >> >> http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/ is the proposed format >> >> he needs it done by saturday >> >> >> >> satellit >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > >> > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > Peter - here is Iain's document: > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/attachments/20150519/bdaf00ca/attachment.html Can we have pure plain text, the web team deals with formatting. I need to be able to provide it in pure text, I don't have time to strip out html. Is it really that hard to provide an inline in email pure text output? I have until the end of today to provide a decent update else it goes out as is. Peter > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Sean DALY wrote: >> >> Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes but Peter doesn't want >> to deal with a text file. >> Sean >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard >> wrote: >>> >>> Iain, Sean, Sam, >>> >>> _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. >>> >>> Peter, >>> when need this be finished? >>> >>> Gonzalo >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson >>> wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: > On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> > Hi Peter, >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown Douglas >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof reading. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Fair copy attached. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I originally included the section "Multimedia", as it is the >> >> >> > set of >> >> >> > Activities in http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ >> >> >> > but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I think it is the weakest section. Chat jars a bit on the >> >> >> > page, as >> >> >> > "Chat" is used in the "Spins page template" to refer to IRC. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > My memory is that Jukebox is not part of the core set (due to >> >> >> > non-free >> >> >> > components?). >> >> >> >> >> >> You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and there a number of >> >> >> free >> >> >> codecs that come as standard. >> > Thanks, Peter, for the correction. >> > >> > So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing Jukebox, Record, >> > Imageviewer >> > you feel should remain? >> >> I really don't care what it's called but those three are staying, >> right where they are. A lot of people want to view photos, listen to >> music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not particularly bothered. >> >> >> Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and >> >> >> actually test it and see what's there! >> >> >> >> >> >> > Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands should be >> >> >> > deleted. >> >> >> >> >> >> Not going to happen. This isn't time for bikeshedding, it's >> >> >> time for >> >> >> tweaking the content as it stands. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. The headers on >> >> > the page are >> >> > not very relevant to an education focused desktop environment - >> >> > they are >> >> > headers for a traditional dekstop environment. >> >> >> >> I was talking about "Multimedia as it stands should be deleted" so >> >> I >> >> have no idea why you're talking about the header names. I have >> >> stated >> >> before the header names need to be updated. I'm still awaiting >> >> what >> >> they should be updated to. >> > >> > ... awaiting? >> > >> > Understanding and creating content >> > Learning by doing >> > Getting technical >> > Exploring the wider world >> > Multimedia >> > Reflection on what you've learned >> > >> > is from earlier contributions and both my attachments to this >> > thread. >> >> As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time to reconcile >> opinions coming in from a number of locations. > Peter, that is why I have tried to help by drawing the contributions > onto one attachment, are you receiving your email without attachments? No, I drop all attachments from mailing lists unless they are text patches, they're generally just spam or viruses. In plain text inline emails please. I want ONE update. I don't have the time to merge them. I've already wasted a lot of time I really don't have on this! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gonzalo Odiard >>> >>> SugarLabs - Software for children learning >>> >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/s
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] New Fedora Spins Site
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: > On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 19:57 +0200, Sean DALY wrote: >> Gonzalo - Iain had already consolidated all changes > > ... almost consolidated! > > Chat does not really fit in Multimedia, IMHO. It's not in Multimedia, it's in "Going online". Make sure you force a reload on the page >> but Peter doesn't want to deal with a text file. >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Gonzalo Odiard >> wrote: >> Iain, Sean, Sam, >> >> >> _Please_consolidate_the_changes_before_send_to_Peter_. >> >> >> Peter, >> when need this be finished? >> >> >> Gonzalo >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Robinson >> wrote: >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Iain Brown Douglas >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 15:00 +0100, Peter Robinson >> wrote: >> >> >> > Hi Peter, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:01 PM Peter Robinson >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Iain Brown >> Douglas >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Thanks, Sean, for the careful proof >> reading. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Fair copy attached. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I originally included the section >> "Multimedia", as it is the set of >> >> >> >> > Activities in >> http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/ >> >> >> >> > but not in the Walter/Sam contribution. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I think it is the weakest section. Chat >> jars a bit on the page, as >> >> >> >> > "Chat" is used in the "Spins page template" >> to refer to IRC. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > My memory is that Jukebox is not part of >> the core set (due to non-free >> >> >> >> > components?). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You're memory is wrong! It uses gstreamer and >> there a number of free >> >> >> >> codecs that come as standard. >> >> > Thanks, Peter, for the correction. >> >> > >> >> > So as a heading, ==Multimedia== containing >> Jukebox, Record, Imageviewer >> >> > you feel should remain? >> >> >> >> I really don't care what it's called but those >> three are staying, >> >> right where they are. A lot of people want to view >> photos, listen to >> >> music etc. As to what it's called, I'm not >> particularly bothered. >> >> >> >> >> Maybe you could download SoaS 22 and >> >> >> >> actually test it and see what's there! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Perhaps the section Multimedia as it stands >> should be deleted. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Not going to happen. This isn't time for >> bikeshedding, it's time for >> >> >> >> tweaking the content as it stands. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Talking about the headers is not bikeshedding. >> The headers on the page are >> >> >> > not very relevant to an education focused >> desktop environment - they are >> >> >> > headers for a traditional dekstop environment. >> >> >> >> >> >> I was talking about "Multimedia as it stands >> should be deleted" so I >> >> >> have no idea why you're talking about the header >> names. I have stated >> >> >> before the header names need to be updated. I'm >> still awaiting what >> >> >> they should be updated to. >> >> > >> >> > ... awaiting? >> >> > >> >> > Understanding and creating content >> >> > Learning by doing >> >> > Getting technical >> >> > Exploring the wider world >> >> > Multimedia >> >> > Reflection on what you've learned >> >> > >> >> > is from earlier contributions and both my >> attachments to this thread. >> >> >> >> As I've said to Sean before, I don't have the time >> to reconcile >>
