Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs?

[Sumit Srivastava]

Great points, Alex.

I would love to hear from all of you, especially the senior members of the
SL community, before we discuss all the points one by one.

Regards
Sumit

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, 6:49 am Alex Perez,  wrote:

> Sumit,
>
> Great questions, and they're particularly relevant at this phase/age of
> the existence of Sugar Labs. They certainly can't be answered in a single
> e-mail, however I think this is a perfect conversation to have,
> particularly on our IAEP mailing list, which is our general purpose mailing
> list.
>
> Sumit Srivastava wrote on 3/28/19 5:00 PM:
>
> Do we aim to be like Red Hat? Canonical? No match? Who are we closest to?
> Who do we aim to be?
>
>
> Speaking as an Oversight Board member, I do not believe it is in the
> interest of Sugar Labs to attempt to emulate a company like Red Hat and
> Canonical. These companies have hundreds/thousands of paid employees, and
> their organizational structure is a product of the needs of their corporate
> customers.
>
> Right now, we have a few existential problems on the horizon, one of which
> is a long term problem, but which we now need to address in the short-term:
> Maintainability. Sugar has a lot of "technical debt", and unless we can
> complete our goal of 100% Python 3 compatibility of all core Sugar
> libraries and the toolkit, we risk the loss of being able to be run as a
> desktop environment on current versions of Linux, due to our reliance on
> Python 2. Since Python 2 has been on life support for many, many years, and
> is only nine months from being officially retired, it will no longer be
> maintained by the Python Foundation, nor included by default in the next
> versions of Fedora and Ubuntu. You can read further details about the
> sunsetting of Python 2 at https://pythonclock.org
>
> 
>
>
> I understand that these are a lot of questions. You can also share
> relevant mail archive links if they're available.
>
> I also understand that we're a non profit and the organisations I
> mentioned might not be a close match.
>
> I personally do not think the core entity of Sugar Labs should be a
> commercial entity, but non-profit organizations are completely entitled to
> be profitable, and many are quite  for the profitable. Personally, I would
> like to see the development of a federated model, where we have
> country/regionally-centered "chapters" of Sugar Labs, with Sugar Labs
> itself taking the in-the-field feedback from our distributed user base, and
> incorporating and triaging suggestions/feedback,
>
>
> Essense of my question: If we could achieve anything, what would we want?
>
> I would love to see a world where Sugar was used extensively, worldwide,
> by children in the primary school age range, with a wide range of
> actively-maintained activities, relevant to the current curricula of a
> variety of countries, and of interest to elementary school teachers, across
> all socioeconomic groups. How we get there is the real question, assuming
> we want to, and have the organizational will to do so.
>
> As for what our "long term vision" is, I honestly don't think we have one
> at this point, and we should fix that, which is one of the reasons why I
> chose to run for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board. Our next meeting is next
> Friday, on 2019-04-05 at 20:00 UTC, on IRC, in the #sugar-meeting channel
> on FreeNode. Feel free to join us and observe, as well as ask questions
> before and after the official meeting commences.
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board
>
>
> Regards
> Sumit Srivastava
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC proposal - Port to Python 3

[aniket mathur]

Hello everyone, I am Aniket Mathur.
Here is a link to my GSoC proposal. Please review it and suggest changes.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGwlzPMUG7Z_ZJEloORGc8tEiXs72qLurO-R7GlomsU/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs?

[Alex Perez]

Sumit,

Great questions, and they're particularly relevant at this phase/age of 
the existence of Sugar Labs. They certainly can't be answered in a 
single e-mail, however I think this is a perfect conversation to have, 
particularly on our IAEP mailing list, which is our general purpose 
mailing list.


Sumit Srivastava wrote on 3/28/19 5:00 PM:
Do we aim to be like Red Hat? Canonical? No match? Who are we closest 
to? Who do we aim to be?


Speaking as an Oversight Board member, I do not believe it is in the 
interest of Sugar Labs to attempt to emulate a company like Red Hat and 
Canonical. These companies have hundreds/thousands of paid employees, 
and their organizational structure is a product of the needs of their 
corporate customers.


Right now, we have a few existential problems on the horizon, one of 
which is a long term problem, but which we now need to address in the 
short-term: Maintainability. Sugar has a lot of "technical debt", and 
unless we can complete our goal of 100% Python 3 compatibility of all 
core Sugar libraries and the toolkit, we risk the loss of being able to 
be run as a desktop environment on current versions of Linux, due to our 
reliance on Python 2. Since Python 2 has been on life support for many, 
many years, and is only nine months from being officially retired, it 
will no longer be maintained by the Python Foundation, nor included by 
default in the next versions of Fedora and Ubuntu. You can read further 
details about the sunsetting of Python 2 at https://pythonclock.org 






I understand that these are a lot of questions. You can also share 
relevant mail archive links if they're available.


I also understand that we're a non profit and the organisations I 
mentioned might not be a close match.
I personally do not think the core entity of Sugar Labs should be a 
commercial entity, but non-profit organizations are completely entitled 
to be profitable, and many are quite  for the profitable. Personally, I 
would like to see the development of a federated model, where we have 
country/regionally-centered "chapters" of Sugar Labs, with Sugar Labs 
itself taking the in-the-field feedback from our distributed user base, 
and incorporating and triaging suggestions/feedback,


Essense of my question: If we could achieve anything, what would we want?
I would love to see a world where Sugar was used extensively, worldwide, 
by children in the primary school age range, with a wide range of 
actively-maintained activities, relevant to the current curricula of a 
variety of countries, and of interest to elementary school teachers, 
across all socioeconomic groups. How we get there is the real question, 
assuming we want to, and have the organizational will to do so.


As for what our "long term vision" is, I honestly don't think we have 
one at this point, and we should fix that, which is one of the reasons 
why I chose to run for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board. Our next meeting 
is next Friday, on 2019-04-05 at 20:00 UTC, on IRC, in the 
#sugar-meeting channel on FreeNode. Feel free to join us and observe, as 
well as ask questions before and after the official meeting commences.


https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board


Regards
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[Sugar-devel] What's the long term vision of Sugar Labs?

[Sumit Srivastava]

Do we aim to be like Red Hat? Canonical? No match? Who are we closest to?
Who do we aim to be?

I understand that these are a lot of questions. You can also share relevant
mail archive links if they're available.

I also understand that we're a non profit and the organisations I mentioned
might not be a close match.

Essense of my question: If we could achieve anything, what would we want?

Regards
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Re: [Sugar-devel] ML idea discussion

[Ahmed ElSabbagh]

I must admit James that I have don't know for sure how performance could be
measured and I have been trying to find proper way to measure it.
One thing I know for sure however is that measurement units are supposed to
be standardized and rarely change
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_performance.
The problem either way would to turn whatever performance unit given into a
unit of time given the size of the data set before starting the training
process, and this is my point of research at the moment.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 10:01, James Cameron  wrote:

> Thanks.  Are there standard measures of hardware performance you could
> use as estimates?  Measurement units change over time.  At the moment
> I'm most familiar with Geekbench multi-core processor scores.
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 09:09:53AM +0200, Ahmed ElSabbagh wrote:
> > As for hardware, I am not sure how strong should it be to run a training
> model
> > for Neural Network or any other classifier.
> >
> > As for internet access, the training can be done offline no problem, it
> can be
> > slow depending on the size of the data set they add, it could be a
> feature to
> > try predict or estimate the amount of time it will take them given a
> minimum
> > hardware specification, the problem however will be the lack of pictures
> to
> > use, so a minimum number of photos and categories can be provided
> offline at
> > any given time, with other pictures and categories available downloadable
> > whenever internet is available.
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 02:41, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >
> > Godo discussion, thanks.
> >
> > In addition to hardware limits, also try to avoid requiring internet
> > access.
> >
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[Sugar-devel] Query regarding JavaScript Version

[sameer kumar]

Which JavaScript version should I use in the WRITE activity?
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC proposal : creating new activity for Sugarizer

[Sanjana Mundhra]

Hey all!

I am Sanjana Mundhra, a third year B.Tech student from The LNM Institute of
Information Technology, Jaipur.

Sugarizer has been providing some amusing learning activities for children
and I hope to add mine to the list. What I came up with is a word search
game with a few tweaks and variations.

 The game consists of letters of words placed in a grid. The objective of
this puzzle is to find and mark all the horizontally, vertically, or
diagonally placed words hidden inside the box. Click and drag over a word
to check it off the list. They are fun to play, but also educational- in
fact, many teachers make use of them.


  This will encourage the children to:

   - *Explore new topics.* Many word search puzzles have a theme to which
   all the hidden words are related. Some of these are just for fun, but a
   *topic* can also introduce essential vocabulary that every child should
   possess.
   - *Improve spelling.* Young minds can learn new words and their
   *spellings* by intensively searching for them, letter by letter, in the
   puzzle. In fact they are rehearsing the spelling over and over in their
   minds as they look for the letters the word contains.
   - *Improve concentration.* A valuable skill, concentration is required
   to successfully complete this puzzle. It encourages the brain to stay
   focused.
   - *Enhance visual acuity.* Eyes that are trained regularly to look for
   small details will be stronger and more effective in many situations.
   - *Form strategies.* Form various algorithms and strategies to search
   quickly for words without even realising it.


We can add diagonal & backward written words at higher difficulty levels.
Often a list of the hidden words is provided, but more challenging puzzles
may let the player figure them out. On a more advanced level, word searches
are good ways to demonstrate the use of searching algorithms. Other
variations include solving given math puzzles and searching for the answer
in the grid.


I am well acquainted with React js, a technology widely used in this
organization and hope to contribute to it this summer as my GSOC 2019
project.  After studying the present activities in Sugarizer, I feel its a
place where learning meets fun and I think this activity will help take
this trend onward. This is just a rough idea of my proposal, all reviews
and suggestions are most welcome.


Regards,

Sanjana Mundhra
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Idea for creating a new Sugar Activity

[Sumit Srivastava]

This seems to be a great idea.

Please go ahead and write a detailed proposal, and also show us that you
can write code by making relevant contributing on SugarLabs.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019, 6:20 pm Manan Goel,  wrote:

> Hey Guys!
> I would like to present my idea for a new sugar activity. Being a
> bioinformatics enthusiast I would like to add a few applications a few
> bioinformatics based algorithms. For example, one of the things I plan to
> do is to construct phylogenetic trees (They show evolutionary relationships
> between different organisms using their DNA patterns which are openly
> available on the internet).
>
> As a personal experience when I saw it for the first time, it blew my mind
> that there is something inherent which makes us different from other
> organisms.
>
> I also have a couple of other ideas in mind for the activity.
>
> Regards
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Math_Hurdle activity keeps getting stuck

[Ashish Kumar]

t; while now.
> > > > Please provide me the right approach going forward.
> > > > Thanks & Regards
> > > > [2]Ashish Aggarwal
> > > > Github Link -  [3]ashish0910
> > > >
> > > > References:
> > > >
> > > > [1] [17]
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#
> > > write-activity-for-sugarizer
> > > > [2] [18]http://ashishaggarwal.tech/
> > > > [3] [19]https://github.com/ashish0910
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> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/webodf/WebODF/issues/947
> > > [2] https://github.com/JiHong88/SunEditor/pull/84
> > > [3] https://ashish0910.github.io/Texteditor/index.html
> > > [4] https://stackoverflow.com/a/6008195
> > > [5] https://www.api2pdf.com/documentation
> > > [6] https://www.npmjs.com/package/html-pdf
> > > [7] https://github.com/MrRio/jsPDF
> > > [8] https://github.com/eligrey/FileSaver.js/
> > > [9] https://www.javascripture.com/Blob
> > > [10] https://github.com/jimmywarting/StreamSaver.js
> > > [11] https://codepen.io/airpwn/pen/LRZdJo
> > > [12] https://github.com/kannan-ar/MariGold.OpenXHTML
> > > [13]
> >
> http://jsfiddle.net/JamesMGreene/2b6Lc/?utm_source=website&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=2b6Lc
> > > [14] http://ashishaggarwal.tech/
> > > [15] https://github.com/ashish0910
> > > [16] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> > > [17]
> >
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2019.md#write-activity-for-sugarizer
> > > [18] http://ashishaggarwal.tech/
> > > [19] https://github.com/ashish0910
> > > [20] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC: Proposal for "Create new activities"

[Muhammad Usman]

Hello all!
I am Muhammad Usman. I am sharing my draft proposal for Create New
Activities and Write activity in Sugarizer. Please do take a look at it
and let me know your thoughts.
https://gist.github.com/usmanmuhd/ce60a3dd2c43fd5c5fe5154b5bc18750

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[Sugar-devel] Idea for creating a new Sugar Activity

[Manan Goel]

Hey Guys!
I would like to present my idea for a new sugar activity. Being a
bioinformatics enthusiast I would like to add a few applications a few
bioinformatics based algorithms. For example, one of the things I plan to
do is to construct phylogenetic trees (They show evolutionary relationships
between different organisms using their DNA patterns which are openly
available on the internet).

As a personal experience when I saw it for the first time, it blew my mind
that there is something inherent which makes us different from other
organisms.

I also have a couple of other ideas in mind for the activity.

Regards
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[Sugar-devel] Introduction and GSoC 2019 Idea Selection

[sameer kumar]

Hello Everyone, I am Sameer Kumar Satyadarshi an undergraduate student
of *Indian
Institute of Information Technology Kottayam Kottayam*, India.
I have been contributing to Sugarlabs for quite a while now. I have
analysed WRITE activity and want to contribute to it through GSoC 2019. I
have gone through other Text editors mentioned on the idea list.
I am developing my own basic rich text editor with primary functionalities [
Here ]. I am adding new features
like printing, export etc. in WRITE activity as mentioned in GSoC idea list.
I would like to contribute to Sugar Labs community, help me with further
insights regarding the project and way forward.

Regards,
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(sameerkdarshi  - github)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2019

[Sahil Makwane]

hi James,

In October, I just started contributing to open source in general, I
discovered Sugarlabs recently.

I'm interested in "Write activity for Sugarizer" but I have quite a bit to
learn and I'm willing to put in the effort :)


On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 4:47 AM James Cameron  wrote:

> Welcome Sahil,
>
> Which open source project did you contribute to in October?
>
> We don't have many use cases in elementary school for Machine
> Learning, but we did discuss an idea in January, so please read that
> discussion.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/issues/16
>
> Also, for any web activity to be added to Sugarizer, make sure you get
> acknowledgement and agreement from Lionel as primary maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 07:12:16AM +, Sahil Makwane wrote:
> > Hey Everyone!
> >
> > I'm a third year undergrad student pursuing Computer Science. I started
> > contributing to open source last October and I absolutely loved It. I'm
> a front
> > end web developer with coding experience in Machine Learning. I'm really
> > interested in the web projects of Sugarlabs. Looking forward to GSoC19.
> >
> > thanks and regards,
> > Sahil Makwane
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Re: [Sugar-devel] To Cameron: ML idea discussion

[James Cameron]

Thanks.  Are there standard measures of hardware performance you could
use as estimates?  Measurement units change over time.  At the moment
I'm most familiar with Geekbench multi-core processor scores.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 09:09:53AM +0200, Ahmed ElSabbagh wrote:
> As for hardware, I am not sure how strong should it be to run a training model
> for Neural Network or any other classifier.
> 
> As for internet access, the training can be done offline no problem, it can be
> slow depending on the size of the data set they add, it could be a feature to
> try predict or estimate the amount of time it will take them given a minimum
> hardware specification, the problem however will be the lack of pictures to
> use, so a minimum number of photos and categories can be provided offline at
> any given time, with other pictures and categories available downloadable
> whenever internet is available.
> 
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 02:41, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> Godo discussion, thanks.
> 
> In addition to hardware limits, also try to avoid requiring internet
> access.
> 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Contributing to the Improving sugarizer server dashboard

[James Cameron]

This mailing list should be the best way.  Address your message to the
mailing list _and_ to any mentors you want a response from.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 01:23:21PM +0530, Manan Goel wrote:
> Could you also please guide me on what's the best way to get in touch with the
> mentors.
> Manan Goel
> 
> On Thu 28 Mar, 2019, 1:22 PM James Cameron, <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> Welcome Manan.
> 
> You can find issues for Sugarizer here;
> [2]https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/issues
> 
> And for Sugarizer Server here;
> [3]https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer-server/issues
> 
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:54:22AM +0530, Manan Goel wrote:
> > Hi
> > I came across the project about improving the sugarizer server dashboard
> for
> > GSoC 2019 and I would love to contribute to it.
> > Are there any existing issues that I can look through and work on before
> > working on a proposal.
> >
> > Manan Goel
> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Contributing to the Improving sugarizer server dashboard

[Manan Goel]

Could you also please guide me on what's the best way to get in touch with
the mentors.
Manan Goel

On Thu 28 Mar, 2019, 1:22 PM James Cameron,  wrote:

> Welcome Manan.
>
> You can find issues for Sugarizer here;
> https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/issues
>
> And for Sugarizer Server here;
> https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer-server/issues
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:54:22AM +0530, Manan Goel wrote:
> > Hi
> > I came across the project about improving the sugarizer server dashboard
> for
> > GSoC 2019 and I would love to contribute to it.
> > Are there any existing issues that I can look through and work on before
> > working on a proposal.
> >
> > Manan Goel
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Contributing to the Improving sugarizer server dashboard

[James Cameron]

Welcome Manan.

You can find issues for Sugarizer here;
https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/issues

And for Sugarizer Server here;
https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer-server/issues

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:54:22AM +0530, Manan Goel wrote:
> Hi
> I came across the project about improving the sugarizer server dashboard for
> GSoC 2019 and I would love to contribute to it.
> Are there any existing issues that I can look through and work on before
> working on a proposal.
> 
> Manan Goel
> 

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[Sugar-devel] GSOC, draft proposal, Write Activity for Sugarizer

[James Cameron]

Here's draft proposal from Utkarsh Singh for the Write Activity for
Sugarizer project idea.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] To Cameron: ML idea discussion

[Ahmed ElSabbagh]

As for hardware, I am not sure how strong should it be to run a training
model for Neural Network or any other classifier.

As for internet access, the training can be done offline no problem, it can
be slow depending on the size of the data set they add, it could be a
feature to try predict or estimate the amount of time it will take them
given a minimum hardware specification, the problem however will be the
lack of pictures to use, so a minimum number of photos and categories can
be provided offline at any given time, with other pictures and categories
available downloadable whenever internet is available.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 02:41, James Cameron  wrote:

> Godo discussion, thanks.
>
> In addition to hardware limits, also try to avoid requiring internet
> access.
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